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New $160 million O-Bahn plan

Postby jibb » Wed Feb 25, 2015 11:44 am

Premier Weatherill and Transport Minister Mullighan have unveiled a new plan for the O-Bahn tunnel which will now go under the East Parklands coming out at the intersection with Grenfell Street.http://www.infrastructure.sa.gov.au/public_transport_projects/o-bahn_upgrade_projects
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Re: New $160 million O-Bahn plan

Postby Route 506 » Wed Feb 25, 2015 1:27 pm

Looks good, and I like the idea of making it work for the EastLink Tram....another project which would be great to see happen, but I guess we'll see
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Re: New $160 million O-Bahn plan

Postby The Inspector » Wed Feb 25, 2015 10:54 pm

This idea was put forward quite a few years ago
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Re: New $160 million O-Bahn plan

Postby Tim Williams » Thu Feb 26, 2015 6:18 am

This looks good, even the route in and out of the city is sensible but, where is the money ti make this happen coming from. Our current particularly inept State Labor Government cannot get its finances in order - it cannot afford to fund the current health system, cannot fund the full and planned electrification of the suburban rail system - so where is the $160m coming from to fund this O-Bahn plan??
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Re: New $160 million O-Bahn plan

Postby Eurostar » Sun Mar 08, 2015 10:23 pm

Tim Williams wrote:This looks good, even the route in and out of the city is sensible but, where is the money ti make this happen coming from. Our current particularly inept State Labor Government cannot get its finances in order - it cannot afford to fund the current health system, cannot fund the full and planned electrification of the suburban rail system - so where is the $160m coming from to fund this O-Bahn plan??


Firstly if they rushed to do the Gawler electrification now they will have to close the line again to do the Torrens Junction underpass which will be quite inconvenient, better off waiting for Federal funding to chip in to do both at once or do the underpass first then the gawler electrification.

Personally I feel when there is more money to play with that we should buy more electric trains so we can retire the 3000s.

Secondly doing the obahn tunnel asap will get some votes for the labor party, speed up travel times for obahn commuters, reduce pollution in Adelaide's east end, increase park and event space.
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Re: New $160 million O-Bahn plan

Postby TA3001 » Sun Mar 08, 2015 10:32 pm

What about the unreliability of the O'bahn buses? There are so many that are starting to sound terrible (even the rigids). How will they be in say 2019? The thing I don't like about the Scanias on the track is the infamous diff problems which must be very hard on the ears of at least some of the passengers at 85kph.

The thing is that the problems don't get fixed as soon as they're identified. 1110 has had the problem since at least January last year, and I'm not sure if it's been fixed yet.

It might be a better idea to replace the Scanias on the track with MAN or Mercedes buses at some point which are more reliable.
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Re: New $160 million O-Bahn plan

Postby Tim Williams » Mon Mar 09, 2015 7:17 am

Eurostar wrote:
Tim Williams wrote:This looks good, even the route in and out of the city is sensible but, where is the money ti make this happen coming from. Our current particularly inept State Labor Government cannot get its finances in order - it cannot afford to fund the current health system, cannot fund the full and planned electrification of the suburban rail system - so where is the $160m coming from to fund this O-Bahn plan??


Firstly if they rushed to do the Gawler electrification now they will have to close the line again to do the Torrens Junction underpass which will be quite inconvenient, better off waiting for Federal funding to chip in to do both at once or do the underpass first then the gawler electrification.

Personally I feel when there is more money to play with that we should buy more electric trains so we can retire the 3000s.

Secondly doing the obahn tunnel asap will get some votes for the labor party, speed up travel times for obahn commuters, reduce pollution in Adelaide's east end, increase park and event space.


All that has nothing to do with the simple fact that the state has no money to press on with these capital projects (let alone fund the health system) and it does not matter whether you blame state government and/or other circumstances. Additional borrowings sound good in some ways (activity and growth stimulation etc) but the money has to be paid back and our wonderful stte government has a history of money mis-management.

I am in Singapore at present, what a different world, prosperity on display - top notch public transport and multiple large capital projects underway.
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Re: New $160 million O-Bahn plan

Postby system improver » Mon Mar 09, 2015 8:05 am

Tim Williams wrote:...I am in Singapore at present, what a different world, prosperity on display - top notch public transport and multiple large capital projects underway.


Perhaps you should be careful for what you wish for. Singapore is geographically half the size of Adelaide. South Australia is more than 1000 times larger. The population of Singapore is 5 times that of Adelaide. Singapore is strategically placed geographically to capitalise on the world trade routes, something Adelaide, isn't unless you were to cut it off and move it 5,000 km north, is not. The same applies to air traffic. The reason that many businesses have set up branch companies in Singapore is due to the lack of a democracy. No unnecessary red tape like a proper parliamentary systems to get into the way. Having said that, Singapore is probably the nearest to a true socialist state that there is on the planet. The gap between the very rich and the very poor is far less than in Australia, as long as you are Chinese. They have laws and regulations forbidding what the population can do - like own a car for instance or chew gum. Both of these examples may appeal to some, but they are hardly a sign of freedom. I think the vast majority of people around the world would rate Adelaide much higher that Singapore as a place to live.

If people in SA are worried about "debt and deficit", a political mantra if ever I saw one, they should have a look at the state just to their west - WA. Their debt is many times that in SA - but oh, they have a Liberal government so nobody says anything about that. In my view, the SA Labor government did one very big thing that Liberals would never have done, not these days anyway. They electrified and reinvigorated the rail system. The fact they have been unable to do it all at once should not be held against them. The fact is, if it wasn't started it was never going to be finished.

In my view, the O-Bahn has been a costly blunder from day one, and should have proceeded as originally planned as a light rail line. But it shows how bad decisions are difficult to remedy. Virtually no-one else in the world proceeded with the idea and replacement buses are going to very difficult to find into the future.
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Re: New $160 million O-Bahn plan

Postby Tim Williams » Mon Mar 09, 2015 10:51 am

I really didn't want to get into politics - probably myfault for bringing things up but (political leanings aside):

1. Singapore is an outstanding success, yes there are rules and regulations, but are they such a bad thing. The trains, buses and infrastructure are free of vandalism and graffiti, corruption is all but non-existant and so is nepotism (I know the reponse on this last one) and their economy is supurb, despite having no natural resources.
2. In SA the current government is floundering and now casting all sorts of ideas about (such as the O-Bahn project) to try and distract
voters away from the current poor state of things.
3. All I would like to see is a government that is competent and can manage thr money effectively - this lot cannot do that and I don't care if they are left or right wing!!
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Re: New $160 million O-Bahn plan

Postby countrydrive » Tue Mar 10, 2015 1:02 pm

The Obahn system takes more passengers than any rail system in Adelaide by a long way.
So why would you say it should have been a light rail. You would prefer less people to use public transport?
It is ideal in this situation - it brings in a huge area of the population in faster than driving. Isn't that what you want? Rail is effective in high density housing areas which does not apply here.
You need to be within 500m of a rail station compared to living near a bus stop. Once on the obahn track you can travel most of the way to the city at high speed without waiting.
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Re: New $160 million O-Bahn plan

Postby Torrens_5022 » Tue Mar 10, 2015 6:18 pm

Lightrail would be a better idea then the Obahn - but the Obahn is doing a good and until we have electrified all the train lines and expended the tram system it should stay.
For the new bus tunnel it should be just a normal road and not have the track, I've herd some stupid comments on other forums about that the new link should be "obahn" the link should be used by all buses not just obahn vehicles.
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Re: New $160 million O-Bahn plan

Postby Eurostar » Tue Mar 10, 2015 6:54 pm

Torrens_5022 wrote:Lightrail would be a better idea then the Obahn - but the Obahn is doing a good and until we have electrified all the train lines and expended the tram system it should stay.
For the new bus tunnel it should be just a normal road and not have the track, I've herd some stupid comments on other forums about that the new link should be "obahn" the link should be used by all buses not just obahn vehicles.


1) Whilst the obahn gets converted where do you expect the buses to go. North East Road? Payneham Road?

2) You'll need to increase travel time to all existing obahn routes whilst the conversion takes place. Between 5pm and 6pm there are lots of buses.

3) Building a standard road would probably cost less than a tram track and you won't need to spend money on new trams.
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Re: New $160 million O-Bahn plan

Postby countrydrive » Wed Mar 11, 2015 9:47 am

Eurostar wrote:
Torrens_5022 wrote:Lightrail would be a better idea then the Obahn - but the Obahn is doing a good and until we have electrified all the train lines and expended the tram system it should stay.
For the new bus tunnel it should be just a normal road and not have the track, I've herd some stupid comments on other forums about that the new link should be "obahn" the link should be used by all buses not just obahn vehicles.


1) Whilst the obahn gets converted where do you expect the buses to go. North East Road? Payneham Road?

2) You'll need to increase travel time to all existing obahn routes whilst the conversion takes place. Between 5pm and 6pm there are lots of buses.

3) Building a standard road would probably cost less than a tram track and you won't need to spend money on new trams.

Still the fact if you change obahn to light rail you half the number of passengers as it can't have the coverage or replace with 5 light rail systems
To do a non obahn tunnel means more cost as the road width needs to be large to prevent drivers hitting the wall and always would be a risk.
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