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Re: HISTORY of ADELAIDE - BUS, TRAIN & TRAM ROUTES

Postby The Phonj » Sun May 08, 2016 9:45 pm

According to the April 1977 Public transport map, the 810 travelled to Lobethal via Magill Rd, Norton Summit Rd, to Norton Summit then Ashton, Basket Range, Forest Range and Lenswood to Lobethal. Please note that at the time, the 830 service only travelled as far as Woodside. The 866 is now more familiarly known as the 196; although not going through to Blackwood; terminating near the corner of Upper Sturt and Rankeys Hill Rds. The renumbering to 196 and extension to Blackwood both happened at the same time; in 1984. For your interest, the 861 at this time went to Heathfield via Unley Rd, Upper Sturt Rd and Milan Tce. The September 1982 Public transport Map shows the 805 as travelling from City to One Tree Hill via North East Rd to Lower Hermitage and Seaview Rd. I could find no references to an 844 service.
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Re: HISTORY of ADELAIDE - BUS, TRAIN & TRAM ROUTES

Postby Lt. Commander Data » Sun May 08, 2016 10:18 pm

The Phonj wrote:According to the April 1977 Public transport map, the 810 travelled to Lobethal via Magill Rd, Norton Summit Rd, to Norton Summit then Ashton, Basket Range, Forest Range and Lenswood to Lobethal. Please note that at the time, the 830 service only travelled as far as Woodside. The 866 is now more familiarly known as the 196; although not going through to Blackwood; terminating near the corner of Upper Sturt and Rankeys Hill Rds. The renumbering to 196 and extension to Blackwood both happened at the same time; in 1984. For your interest, the 861 at this time went to Heathfield via Unley Rd, Upper Sturt Rd and Milan Tce. The September 1982 Public transport Map shows the 805 as travelling from City to One Tree Hill via North East Rd to Lower Hermitage and Seaview Rd. I could find no references to an 844 service.


Thanks for sharing, now that you mention it I remember seeing somewhere else about the 810. I have also seen a photo of O 305(?) #7000 on route 866 to "Glenalta via Kalyra Rd". Regarding it's terminus, is that why there's a bus layover there, or was that for the short lived 694H? Or could it have been for when the 893/4 services connected with 195/6 services there?

Out of interest, where did the 195 fit into this? Was is numbered 865, or did it only come later. Times have definitely changed, it seems back then that private operators went to just about every township in the Hills down every road(ish), but now the service by AdelaideMetro is quite limited. Even LinkSA only run a few selected trips to these places, and mostly as school services at that.
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Re: HISTORY of ADELAIDE - BUS, TRAIN & TRAM ROUTES

Postby Tom » Mon May 09, 2016 11:57 am

Lt. Commander Data wrote:
The Phonj wrote:According to the April 1977 Public transport map, the 810 travelled to Lobethal via Magill Rd, Norton Summit Rd, to Norton Summit then Ashton, Basket Range, Forest Range and Lenswood to Lobethal. Please note that at the time, the 830 service only travelled as far as Woodside. The 866 is now more familiarly known as the 196; although not going through to Blackwood; terminating near the corner of Upper Sturt and Rankeys Hill Rds. The renumbering to 196 and extension to Blackwood both happened at the same time; in 1984. For your interest, the 861 at this time went to Heathfield via Unley Rd, Upper Sturt Rd and Milan Tce. The September 1982 Public transport Map shows the 805 as travelling from City to One Tree Hill via North East Rd to Lower Hermitage and Seaview Rd. I could find no references to an 844 service.


Thanks for sharing, now that you mention it I remember seeing somewhere else about the 810. I have also seen a photo of O 305(?) #7000 on route 866 to "Glenalta via Kalyra Rd". Regarding it's terminus, is that why there's a bus layover there, or was that for the short lived 694H? Or could it have been for when the 893/4 services connected with 195/6 services there?

Out of interest, where did the 195 fit into this? Was is numbered 865, or did it only come later. Times have definitely changed, it seems back then that private operators went to just about every township in the Hills down every road(ish), but now the service by AdelaideMetro is quite limited. Even LinkSA only run a few selected trips to these places, and mostly as school services at that.


844 was a school days only service from Cameron St Mt Barker to Urrbrae, Cabra and Annesley, reverse of this in the afternoon according to the September 1995 Hills Transit timetable, by the January 1998 tt the 844 had disappeared, presumably became a proper school run that the general public couldn't use.
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Re: HISTORY of ADELAIDE - BUS, TRAIN & TRAM ROUTES

Postby Adelaide Hills DD » Mon May 09, 2016 1:47 pm

844 is the exactly the same route as the now known 886 School run. Mt Barker - Ansley College Via 864 Route, Cross Rd, Goodwood rd & Greenhill Rd on the down. Greenhill Rd, Goodwood Rd, Cross Rd, Hahndorf then Mt Barker.
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Re: HISTORY of ADELAIDE - BUS, TRAIN & TRAM ROUTES

Postby M.T.T. » Sat Jul 23, 2016 9:57 pm

Re 865/866, my 1977 timetable shows:
861 Heathfield (inbound 7.22am, outbound 3.55 and 5.45pm)
862 Bradbury (inbound 7.30am plus 9.18am Friday, outbound 3.30 Friday and 5.35pm)
865 Glenalta via Sheoak Rd (every 90 mins)
866 Glenalta via Kalyra Rd (every 90 mins)
870 Coromandel Valley [via Main Rd] (inbound 7.35am, 4.37pm, outbound 3.40 and 5.25pm)
880 Aberfoyle Park [via Blackwood and Coromandel Pde] (inbound 7.38am, outbound 5.38pm)
Though officially Routes 861/862 ran via Belair/Sheoak/Upper Sturt Roads, in the timetable every trip is shown as diverting by either route 865 or 866.
The Saturday service consisted of 3 trips each way: one Bradbury via Kalyra AND Sheoak Rds (double diversion), and one each of 865 and 866. No service evenings, Saturday afternoons, Sunday or Holidays.
City terminal was Bowen St by the Central Bus Station, and buses ran limited stops to "the Dogs Rescue Home, Belair Rd, Lynton"
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Re: HISTORY of ADELAIDE - BUS, TRAIN & TRAM ROUTES

Postby M.T.T. » Sat Jul 23, 2016 10:27 pm

busrider wrote:Thank you for the more elaborate information, I must admit that there are gaps in my timetable collection, so apologies for any information that may have been incorrect/absent from my post.

The train route letters didn't appear to be ever listed in public timetables, surely this might've caused some confusion for members of the public back then?

I have a rail network map from April 1981 coinciding with timetable changes, and it mentions that Port Dock Station was closed then, is it possible that Port Dock never had a route number, because Jumbos aren't likely to have ever gone there?

Mile End Plant Depot, there's very little information about it online and it only rated a mention once in a timetable I've got. Ironically, it was to point out that the timetable for services to Mile End Plant Depot wasn't shown on that particular timetable.


Re Mile End Plant Depot, my 1977 S.A.R. timetable book shows:
Table 4 Mile End Plant Depot
Intermediate stops:
Hughes Street (I think it was the old Thebarton station on the North Terrace and Glenelg line)
and "B" Depot.
Down: 7.16, 7.41am, 4.12, 4.38pm. Up: 7.31, 7.53am (to Hendon), 4.25, 4.54pm.
Hughes Street was a conditional stop.
The reverse (i.e. contra-flow) movements (up in the morning, down in the afternoon) ran non-stop.
Journey time: down 8", up 7".
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Postby M.T.T. » Sat Jul 23, 2016 11:02 pm

leyland4ever wrote:[quote="Obi Wan Kenobi"}

Do you know what road has had the best frequency ever in Adelaide? I think Henley Beach Road would have rate up there!


It would take a bit of research to come up with the definite answer, and it also depends on on whether we consider off-peak frequencies or peak frequencies.

However, I'd be inclined to think the three-minute OFF-peak frequency on the Port Road in trolley bus days would be hard to beat. This lasted until the early 1950s, when it reverted to 4-minutes!

That's what I call a real 'go-zone'!

This frequency covered the full length of Port Road, right to Port Adelaide, with the destinations alternating "Largs, Port Adelaide, Semaphore, Port Adelaide" - giving the then-standard 12 minute frequency from each of Largs and Semaphore.

In peak-hour, it was close to a bus per minute!

The Somertion/Graymore services along Anzac Highway, while not having the same off-peak frequency, also had a very intensive peak service during the 1940s, 50s and 60s.

But Henley Beach Road also had a pretty intensive peak service too - I seem to remember that there was close to a bus per minute between 5.00 and 5.30 pm even in the 1970s.

Time to dig out a few timetables and see if I can come up with a definitive asnwer!

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Well I think the most frequent service (in the 70s anyway) was Port Road (Routes 13-13B-14-15 and 30-30D-31) from the Britannia roundabout through to Black Diamond Corner, every 7 minutes.
Unless you count O'Connell Street (routes 5-6 and 19-19C-21C) where the two main lines were scheduled to give an even 6-minute service from Victoria Square to the Caledonian Hotel.
Similarly the 8-9-9C-17-18 were evenly spaced to give a 7-8 minute service from Harrow Rd to Hutt Rd.
But when it comes to rush-hour then the 28 is definitely the winner.
The 12-minute off-peak service is built up to 54 trips in the three hours 3pm till 6pm, with 23 trips in 45 minutes at the height of the rush.
This includes five "Express" trips, I believe the 28 and the Glenelg tram were the only M.T.T. routes with express trips.
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Re: HISTORY of ADELAIDE - BUS, TRAIN & TRAM ROUTES

Postby Lt. Commander Data » Sat Jul 23, 2016 11:29 pm

M.T.T. wrote:Re 865/866, my 1977 timetable shows:
861 Heathfield (inbound 7.22am, outbound 3.55 and 5.45pm)
862 Bradbury (inbound 7.30am plus 9.18am Friday, outbound 3.30 Friday and 5.35pm)
865 Glenalta via Sheoak Rd (every 90 mins)
866 Glenalta via Kalyra Rd (every 90 mins)
870 Coromandel Valley [via Main Rd] (inbound 7.35am, 4.37pm, outbound 3.40 and 5.25pm)
880 Aberfoyle Park [via Blackwood and Coromandel Pde] (inbound 7.38am, outbound 5.38pm)
Though officially Routes 861/862 ran via Belair/Sheoak/Upper Sturt Roads, in the timetable every trip is shown as diverting by either route 865 or 866.
The Saturday service consisted of 3 trips each way: one Bradbury via Kalyra AND Sheoak Rds (double diversion), and one each of 865 and 866. No service evenings, Saturday afternoons, Sunday or Holidays.
City terminal was Bowen St by the Central Bus Station, and buses ran limited stops to "the Dogs Rescue Home, Belair Rd, Lynton"


Thanks for that info. Speaking of the diverson for the 861/862 operating via the 865/6, this happened up until 2007 with the 193. One trip in the AM (193X ex-Stirling 07:20) and one in the PM (193F, ex-Adelaide 17:05) went via route 195 in Glenalta/Hawthorndene. Does your timetable say how long it took to get from Bradbury to Heathfield?
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Postby M.T.T. » Sat Jul 23, 2016 11:45 pm

The Mayor wrote:Electric Tram route numbers were introduced by the MTT on Sunday 27 May 1917 as follows:
3......Cheltenham
4......Prospect
5......Enfield
6......Walkerville North
7......St Peters
8......Paradise
9......Morialta
10....Magill
11....Kensington Gardens
12....Erindale
12....Burnside
13....Linden Park
14....Glen Osmond
15....Springfield
16....Kingswood
17....Mitcham
18....Hyde Park
19....Colonel Light Gardens
20....Wayville West
21....Richmond
22....Henley North
23....Findon
24....Largs
25....Semaphore
26....Rosewater
27....Albert Park

In 1962 the MTT allocated route numbers to all of it's services. The numbering system was designed so if you look at map of Adelaide the route numbers go around like a clock like the previous tram numbering system. The only route to retain it's 'tram' number was Route 3 along Torrens Road. I am unsure why Torrens Road services started as Route 3 and not Henley Beach Road or another, but I suppose they had to start somewhere on a map!

The use of letters after the number to signify a short working was only implemented for the bus services. Trams displayed the standard route number as well as the destination even if it were on a shortworking. For example Paradise Trams would show either:
PARADISE 8
PAYNEHAM 8
WINCHESTER ST 8

It is strange that the Glenelg line was never actually given a route number, but after 1962 it was unofficially Route 22 and in about 1987 to co-incide with the introduction of Crouzet it became Route 91, but only for a ticket code only.


Can I please make these amendments to the above list, in 1917 the route numbers were:
1. City
2. Victoria Sq.
3. Bowden (Croydon 1923, Kilkenny 1929, Cheltenham 1942)
6. Walkerville (Walkerville North 1924)
12. Burnside (Erindale 1944)
13. Dulwich (Linden Park 1924)
15. Fullarton (Springfield 1938)
19. Goodwood (Clarence Park 1923, Col. Light Gdns 1927)
20. West Terrace (Keswick 1918, Wayville West 1939)
21. Hilton (Richmond 1939)
22. Henley (Henley North/Henley Extn 1922)
23. Hindmarsh (Findon 1923)
If anything, it shows the 1920s had a lot of new tram extensions! (In addition there were the Prospect extension, the St Peters, Thebarton and Bakewell Bridge reroutes, the Showgrounds loop and the Glenelg conversion in this decade.)
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Re: HISTORY of ADELAIDE - BUS, TRAIN & TRAM ROUTES

Postby M.T.T. » Sat Jul 23, 2016 11:53 pm

Lt. Commander Data wrote:
M.T.T. wrote:Re 865/866, my 1977 timetable shows:
861 Heathfield (inbound 7.22am, outbound 3.55 and 5.45pm)
862 Bradbury (inbound 7.30am plus 9.18am Friday, outbound 3.30 Friday and 5.35pm)
865 Glenalta via Sheoak Rd (every 90 mins)
866 Glenalta via Kalyra Rd (every 90 mins)
870 Coromandel Valley [via Main Rd] (inbound 7.35am, 4.37pm, outbound 3.40 and 5.25pm)
880 Aberfoyle Park [via Blackwood and Coromandel Pde] (inbound 7.38am, outbound 5.38pm)
Though officially Routes 861/862 ran via Belair/Sheoak/Upper Sturt Roads, in the timetable every trip is shown as diverting by either route 865 or 866.
The Saturday service consisted of 3 trips each way: one Bradbury via Kalyra AND Sheoak Rds (double diversion), and one each of 865 and 866. No service evenings, Saturday afternoons, Sunday or Holidays.
City terminal was Bowen St by the Central Bus Station, and buses ran limited stops to "the Dogs Rescue Home, Belair Rd, Lynton"


Thanks for that info. Speaking of the diverson for the 861/862 operating via the 865/6, this happened up until 2007 with the 193. One trip in the AM (193X ex-Stirling 07:20) and one in the PM (193F, ex-Adelaide 17:05) went via route 195 in Glenalta/Hawthorndene. Does your timetable say how long it took to get from Bradbury to Heathfield?


No they don't have sectional times, and it's hard to compare with the 861 via Milan Tce and the 862 via Longwood Rd.
What it does show is Glenalta to Heathfield, 20" down and 22" up; Glenalta to Bradbury, 30" down and 30"-32" up.
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Re: HISTORY of ADELAIDE - BUS, TRAIN & TRAM ROUTES

Postby Lt. Commander Data » Wed Jul 27, 2016 11:01 pm

G'day everyone,

Recently I've been interested in finding remains of the tram system. So far I've been to Kensigton Gardens (the park built by the MTT at stops 16A & 16B The Parade) and the Colonel Light Gardens tram terminus (stop 18 Goodwood Rd, the park on the eastern side).

My goal is to visit and photograph all the major tram termini in the suburbs (not the CBD so much). If anyone could tell me where they were (i.e which streets intersect at/neaby the terminus), even which bus serivces the area now (but I can probably work that out myself), it would be appreciated.

The 141/142/145/148 termini are excempt, as I know where the Torlleybus/tram termini were.

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Re: HISTORY of ADELAIDE - BUS, TRAIN & TRAM ROUTES

Postby Eagle Eye » Thu Jul 28, 2016 10:00 am

The tram to Hyde Park terminated at Heywood Park (continuation of King William Rd & Whistler Ave) south of Northgate St.
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Re: HISTORY of ADELAIDE - BUS, TRAIN & TRAM ROUTES

Postby PD2/20 » Thu Jul 28, 2016 10:32 am

Lt. Commander Data wrote:G'day everyone,

Recently I've been interested in finding remains of the tram system. So far I've been to Kensigton Gardens (the park built by the MTT at stops 16A & 16B The Parade) and the Colonel Light Gardens tram terminus (stop 18 Goodwood Rd, the park on the eastern side).

My goal is to visit and photograph all the major tram termini in the suburbs (not the CBD so much). If anyone could tell me where they were (i.e which streets intersect at/neaby the terminus), even which bus serivces the area now (but I can probably work that out myself), it would be appreciated.

The 141/142/145/148 termini are excempt, as I know where the Torlleybus/tram termini were.

Cheers,

There are several maps of the tram system in Radcliffe and Steele's history of public transport http://www.catalog.slsa.sa.gov.au/record=b1000864~S2 in the State Library. There is also useful information in the displays at the St Kilda Tram Museum on trams (horse and electric) and trolleybuses. There are surviving tram overhead posts at Kensington Gdns, Goodwood Rd (near Capri) and on E side of West Terrace. Quite a few of the tram and trolleybus converter stations survive as private residences.

Edited: Another excellent source of information I had forgotten about is old Adelaide street directories. There are several online which show the tram network. It was 1942 I think when the network reached its maximum extent with the extension to Cheltenham.

On the topic of converter stations, does anybody know the precise location of the Peterhead Station? I believe it was in Mead St, but have not been able so far to locate the site.
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Re: HISTORY of ADELAIDE - BUS, TRAIN & TRAM ROUTES

Postby B59 Volvo » Fri Jul 29, 2016 10:57 pm

Lt. Commander Data wrote:
. If anyone could tell me where they were (i.e which streets intersect at/neaby the terminus), even which bus serivces the area now (but I can probably work that out myself), it would be appreciated.



Cheers,


Mitcham tram terminus was on Albert Street, Mitcham adjacent to Sutton Gardens

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And here is the present day street view from virtually the same spot (bus stop 17 in the distance) :

https://www.google.com.au/maps/@-34.979 ... 312!8i6656
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Re: HISTORY of ADELAIDE - BUS, TRAIN & TRAM ROUTES

Postby Lt. Commander Data » Fri Jul 29, 2016 11:30 pm

Thanks for that B59 Volvo, that photo is really good. It (when compared the the Google Maps Street View) shows how much the area has changed in around 60 years.

On a separate question, is that tram of the type referred to as a "drop centre" tram?
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Re: HISTORY of ADELAIDE - BUS, TRAIN & TRAM ROUTES

Postby PD2/20 » Fri Jul 29, 2016 11:59 pm

Lt. Commander Data wrote:Thanks for that B59 Volvo, that photo is really good. It (when compared the the Google Maps Street View) shows how much the area has changed in around 60 years.

On a separate question, is that tram of the type referred to as a "drop centre" tram?

That is a drop centre tram, a Type F. The Type F and its variant Type F1 were the most numerous type of the Adelaide fleet, see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trams_in_Adelaide#Electric_tram_types.
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Re: HISTORY of ADELAIDE - BUS, TRAIN & TRAM ROUTES

Postby Eurostar » Fri Feb 10, 2017 5:27 pm

Did 724 go to the city? Was there any proposals to have the 724 go via mitsubishi lonsdale? Whats the history of the 730-739s
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Postby Diesel_MAN » Fri Feb 10, 2017 7:29 pm

Eurostar wrote:Did 724 go to the city? Was there any proposals to have the 724 go via mitsubishi lonsdale? Whats the history of the 730-739s

I haven't gone through it in detail, but a quick search on the archived version of Adelaide Metro's website yielded a timetable for the 724 from January 25, 2004. It states that the 724 "connects with city bus" and that variations of the route with a letter suffix did not. I don't know where Mitsubishi Lonsdale is/was, though, so I can't determine the answer to that question.

The 730 ran from Marion Centre to Old Reynella. The 733 and 734 run from Colonnades Interchange to Marion Centre. The 737 currently runs from Old Reynella to Chandlers Hill, but used to be a Chandlers Hill feeder service. There was a 737H from Chandlers Hill to the O'Halloran Hill TAFE. The 738 and 739 took different routes from Marion Centre to Blackwood Interchange. The 738U "divert[ed] to Registry Road loop along University Drive".

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Re: HISTORY of ADELAIDE - BUS, TRAIN & TRAM ROUTES

Postby Lt. Commander Data » Fri Feb 10, 2017 7:56 pm

The 737 also used to go to Marion.

There was a short lived 732, night version of the 733 and 722, along with the 716.
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Postby Bodø Glimt » Fri Feb 10, 2017 8:41 pm

Lt. Commander Data wrote:There was a short lived 732, night version of the 733 and 722, along with the 716.


I guess that depends on your interpretation of short lived but they ran for about four years. The 688 was short lived :P
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Postby Guy_Arab » Fri Feb 10, 2017 8:48 pm

interesting notes the LATE Chris STEELE sent me a file on trolleybus history OF SA for my forth coming book on Australian trolley buses of Australia
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Re: HISTORY of ADELAIDE - BUS, TRAIN & TRAM ROUTES

Postby PD2/20 » Fri Feb 10, 2017 9:09 pm

Diesel_MAN wrote:
Eurostar wrote:Did 724 go to the city? Was there any proposals to have the 724 go via mitsubishi lonsdale? Whats the history of the 730-739s

I haven't gone through it in detail, but a quick search on the archived version of Adelaide Metro's website yielded a timetable for the 724 from January 25, 2004. It states that the 724 "connects with city bus" and that variations of the route with a letter suffix did not. I don't know where Mitsubishi Lonsdale is/was, though, so I can't determine the answer to that question.

The 730 ran from Marion Centre to Old Reynella. The 733 and 734 run from Colonnades Interchange to Marion Centre. The 737 currently runs from Old Reynella to Chandlers Hill, but used to be a Chandlers Hill feeder service. There was a 737H from Chandlers Hill to the O'Halloran Hill TAFE. The 738 and 739 took different routes from Marion Centre to Blackwood Interchange. The 738U "divert[ed] to Registry Road loop along University Drive".

https://web.archive.org/web/20041012011 ... ableN.html

Mitsubishi Lonsdale was/is east of railway line between Christie and Sherriffs Roads and within walking distance of Londale Railway Stn.
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Re: HISTORY of ADELAIDE - BUS, TRAIN & TRAM ROUTES

Postby Lt. Commander Data » Fri Feb 10, 2017 9:38 pm

Bodø Glimt wrote:
Lt. Commander Data wrote:There was a short lived 732, night version of the 733 and 722, along with the 716.


I guess that depends on your interpretation of short lived but they ran for about four years. The 688 was short lived :P


I'll bite, what was a 688?
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Re: HISTORY of ADELAIDE - BUS, TRAIN & TRAM ROUTES

Postby Bodø Glimt » Sat Feb 11, 2017 6:21 pm

Lt. Commander Data wrote:I'll bite, what was a 688?


It was a shuttle that ran from Hallett Cove station to Hallett Cove Beach station when the Beach station was being rebuilt.
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Re: HISTORY of ADELAIDE - BUS, TRAIN & TRAM ROUTES

Postby Eurostar » Sat Feb 11, 2017 10:56 pm

In 2001 716 timetable it mentions in the route description a road called New Honeypot Road, Honeypot Road. I gather New Honeypot Road is the part leading off of Goldsmith Drive
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