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Re: TRANSLink Journey Planner, website and publications thread

Postby Hornibrook » Sun Aug 23, 2009 12:10 pm

Does anybody in TransLink read this thread? I know daveeyh mentioned some errors and they still haven't been fixed.
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Re: TRANSLink Journey Planner, website and publications thread

Postby 08 XDi » Sun Aug 23, 2009 9:43 pm

Hornibrook wrote:Does anybody in TransLink read this thread? I know daveeyh mentioned some errors and they still haven't been fixed.


The fact that they have such a high concentration rate of errors at all is rather telling.

it realy irritates me how they fail to keep to a consistent style in their various documents, fail to have maps of certain places, facilities or local networks, place bus stops (even blade-type signs) with no timetable information in them, fail to correct obvious errors when pointed out and far too many other oversights.

It is a big network but even still, the quality control really isn't there when members of the public have a better idea of things than the authority running the system.

I think that TransLink is probably the most effective urban transit authority in Australia in moving people - it just pips Transperth notwithstanding their superior smartcard and rail network because of their generally poor bus network and stop infrastructure and because we have a much more functional set of online resources than anyoneelse. Even so, I think we have the least "polished" system around with so many errors and oversights in public information and also design flaws in the layout of major interchanges and infrastructure. While the meat is there, it needs some skin on it.
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Re: TRANSLink Journey Planner, website and publications thread

Postby nikko » Mon Aug 24, 2009 12:11 am

SM247 wrote:place bus stops (even blade-type signs) with no timetable information in them


That is by far the #1 issue that needs to be addressed ASAP!
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Re: TRANSLink Journey Planner, website and publications thread

Postby PRT 065 » Mon Aug 24, 2009 6:48 am

There is stop 25 ipswich road, that on the paper prt timtable says it is in zone 25 trying to find the picture.
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Re: TRANSLink Journey Planner, website and publications thread

Postby simonl » Mon Aug 24, 2009 8:17 am

SM247 wrote:I think that TransLink is probably the most effective urban transit authority in Australia in moving people

Wow, that's quite a wrap! I think that the late night effort is piss poor, there's a lot of hourly frequency services and there's a lack of coordination between services which share a common corridor for a large part of their trip.

Also the lack of Bus priority outside the busways is a shooting offence, but perhaps you can't blame Translink for that.

EDIT: I'd also add that there's several obviously bad compromises made, like running the inbound 350 via Roma St Station then to Queen St. It would obviously be faster sticking to Roma St the majority of the time.
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Re: TRANSLink Journey Planner, website and publications thread

Postby T1200 » Mon Aug 24, 2009 1:28 pm

If you want to have a TRANSLink bashing session, I suggest that you find somewhere else to do it.
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Re: TRANSLink Journey Planner, website and publications thread

Postby simonl » Mon Aug 24, 2009 3:05 pm

T1200 wrote:If you want to have a TRANSLink bashing session, I suggest that you find somewhere else to do it.

Ok, I'll talk to translink directly again.
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Re: TRANSLink Journey Planner, website and publications thread

Postby leccy » Thu Aug 27, 2009 9:55 am

On the topic of information, I would really really like to see some route maps at busway stations. If you get on a bus at a CBD street stop there is a map so you know where your bus is going - and stopping. At busway stations (I'm looking at you, Roma Street) there is nothing apart from a long list of departure times.
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Re: TRANSLink Journey Planner, website and publications thread

Postby 08 XDi » Thu Aug 27, 2009 12:04 pm

leccy wrote:On the topic of information, I would really really like to see some route maps at busway stations. If you get on a bus at a CBD street stop there is a map so you know where your bus is going - and stopping. At busway stations (I'm looking at you, Roma Street) there is nothing apart from a long list of departure times.


This at least is one thing BCC does better.
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Re: TRANSLink Journey Planner, website and publications thread

Postby MaxHeadway » Thu Aug 27, 2009 6:15 pm

SM247 wrote:On the topic of information, I would really really like to see some route maps at busway stations. If you get on a bus at a CBD street stop there is a map so you know where your bus is going - and stopping. At busway stations (I'm looking at you, Roma Street) there is nothing apart from a long list of departure times.

A few years ago (pre-TransLink), busway stations had a scale map of every bus route in Brisbane (BT in red, private routes in green IIRC).
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Re: TRANSLink Journey Planner, website and publications thread

Postby simonl » Sun Aug 30, 2009 11:33 am

T1200 wrote:If you want to have a TRANSLink bashing session, I suggest that you find somewhere else to do it.

Allow me to detail the co-ordination between two Sydney bus routes, the 373 & 377.

373 Circular Quay to Coogee via Randwick
377 Circular Quay to Maroubra via Randwick

These runs share a common route between Circular Quay and "The Spot" in Randwick. The 373 is a high frequency service, but at certain times it drops back to half hourly, and while the 377 is running half hourly the runs are co-ordinated such that Randwick to Circular Quay has a 15 minute frequency. At other times, the 373 runs 4 times an hour, but these runs are staggered so Randwick to the City has a 10 minute frequency. I suspect that a 372 and/or a 374 serves Coogee in these gaps. However when the 373 ramps up to 7 minute frequency, co-ordination is (rightly IMO) deemed not worth it. At these times the 373 is usually packed in summer with beach goers, even on a Sunday.

In Brisbane, the 430 and 433 are the only (non peak) services for Kenmore Rd between Gilruth Rd & Gem Rd. They're both hourly services, and yet they come within 15 minutes of each other. So it's not just between Indooroopilly and the City that they fall short.

If Sydney can do it, why can't Brisbane?
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Re: TRANSLink Journey Planner, website and publications thread

Postby chendo » Tue Dec 01, 2009 2:02 pm

I realise that this doesn't really solve the problem of lack of bus maps at bus stops, but I used the kmz file SM247 made and wrote a little app that produces a kml file a specified route and then displays it in Google Maps. Check it out at http://maps.mytrans.it/. It's a bit crude and elementary but it's a proof of concept/alpha more than anything.

I also wrote an iPhone-specific version of the journey planner (which is still in beta) at http://mytrans.it/ because I found the Translink journey planner lacking on the iPhone (mobile one is worse IMO). If you don't have an iPhone, you can see a video of it in action at http://chendo.net/projects/code/web/mytransit. A desktop browser version is coming soon and will be followed by a normal mobile browser version.
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Re: TRANSLink Journey Planner, website and publications thread

Postby PAQ12 » Tue Dec 01, 2009 3:53 pm

chendo wrote:I realise that this doesn't really solve the problem of lack of bus maps at bus stops, but I used the kmz file SM247 made and wrote a little app that produces a kml file a specified route and then displays it in Google Maps. Check it out at http://maps.mytrans.it/. It's a bit crude and elementary but it's a proof of concept/alpha more than anything.

I also wrote an iPhone-specific version of the journey planner (which is still in beta) at http://mytrans.it/ because I found the Translink journey planner lacking on the iPhone (mobile one is worse IMO). If you don't have an iPhone, you can see a video of it in action at http://chendo.net/projects/code/web/mytransit. A desktop browser version is coming soon and will be followed by a normal mobile browser version.

Now if you can do that with probably a ZERO budget, why can't TransLink do that? Seeing all of this, makes me want to somehow re-instate bus routes again on my website with a map.
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Re: TRANSLink Journey Planner, website and publications thread

Postby l_blue_l » Tue Dec 01, 2009 4:24 pm

chendo wrote:I realise that this doesn't really solve the problem of lack of bus maps at bus stops, but I used the kmz file SM247 made and wrote a little app that produces a kml file a specified route and then displays it in Google Maps. Check it out at http://maps.mytrans.it/. It's a bit crude and elementary but it's a proof of concept/alpha more than anything.

I also wrote an iPhone-specific version of the journey planner (which is still in beta) at http://mytrans.it/ because I found the Translink journey planner lacking on the iPhone (mobile one is worse IMO). If you don't have an iPhone, you can see a video of it in action at http://chendo.net/projects/code/web/mytransit. A desktop browser version is coming soon and will be followed by a normal mobile browser version.


Thank you. I hate using Translink journey planner on my iphone so much this should make it much easier. :).

I just had a look at your maps thing too. Now that is cool. ( i like how it can show more then one route if you only put in two number but it does't let you select only one route if it is only 2 numbers but doesn't really matter as they should all the renumbered to 3 numbers )
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Re: TRANSLink Journey Planner, website and publications thread

Postby chendo » Wed Dec 02, 2009 9:13 am

BT Buses wrote:
chendo wrote:I realise that this doesn't really solve the problem of lack of bus maps at bus stops, but I used the kmz file SM247 made and wrote a little app that produces a kml file a specified route and then displays it in Google Maps. Check it out at http://maps.mytrans.it/. It's a bit crude and elementary but it's a proof of concept/alpha more than anything.

I also wrote an iPhone-specific version of the journey planner (which is still in beta) at http://mytrans.it/ because I found the Translink journey planner lacking on the iPhone (mobile one is worse IMO). If you don't have an iPhone, you can see a video of it in action at http://chendo.net/projects/code/web/mytransit. A desktop browser version is coming soon and will be followed by a normal mobile browser version.

Now if you can do that with probably a ZERO budget, why can't TransLink do that? Seeing all of this, makes me want to somehow re-instate bus routes again on my website with a map.


They have one developer, and they're using VB on ASP (not even .NET). And this project has cost me nothing apart from time and domain name costs. Server is being donated by Chombo.com.au which is a local Brisbane server for faster loading times :)

l_blue_l wrote:[
Thank you. I hate using Translink journey planner on my iphone so much this should make it much easier. :).

I just had a look at your maps thing too. Now that is cool. ( i like how it can show more then one route if you only put in two number but it does't let you select only one route if it is only 2 numbers but doesn't really matter as they should all the renumbered to 3 numbers )


I'm not sure what you're talking about.. if you enter in two numbers, you can use the up and down arrows to specify which route you want to lookup. I realise that there are some routes that don't have any data but they're relatively new ones not covered by the KMZ (or a bug in my code, I haven't had the time to check).
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Re: TRANSLink Journey Planner, website and publications thread

Postby l_blue_l » Wed Dec 02, 2009 10:22 am

An example of what i mean If i want to see route 10 (surfside) it shows all routes that start with 10 (it displays routes 10, 100, 101, 102, 103, 104, 105, 106, 107, 108) not really a problem once the rest of the routes are renumbered.


lol ow that wasn't a feature yet displaying more the one route. :P
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Re: TRANSLink Journey Planner, website and publications thread

Postby 08 XDi » Wed Dec 02, 2009 2:56 pm

To throw in my 2 bob:

I am quite happy with what chendo has done and I will continue to make the source data available for his site.

The map is still being upgraded - there will be gradual releases of updated routes and info as I get through the recent changes, mainly the pre-pay routes and the improvement program I was already working on.
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Re: TRANSLink Journey Planner, website and publications thread

Postby Volvo B12BLEA » Sat Dec 05, 2009 11:17 am

The rte 400 Shuttles stopped running after last service Friday night, 4th Dec. Western Express services are back to using the QSBS during Peak Times from Monday 7th Dec yet the TL website as of 11.15am Saturday 5th Dec makes no mention of this.
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Re: TRANSLink Journey Planner, website and publications thread

Postby PRT 065 » Tue Dec 08, 2009 1:49 pm

Also chendo Is this The same Application as Yours :?:

http://www.oaksystems.net/ They Want $4 For It, and it doesn't have bus timetable yet :?

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Postby PRT 065 » Tue Dec 08, 2009 2:02 pm

Also I have Just Found This Application Pitty this isnt a official one,
They dont have a working website, so i pulled a screen shot of the app store


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I Cant realy see a use for this kind of app unless is support you topping up by card on their.
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Re: TRANSLink Journey Planner, website and publications thread

Postby bunza » Fri Dec 11, 2009 10:40 am

Can't see a use? Heres a really simple one.

You can check your balance anywhere quickly, say if you are outside a newsagent tossing up whether to top up or not.
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Re: TRANSLink Journey Planner, website and publications thread

Postby PRT 065 » Fri Dec 11, 2009 10:59 am

Though if you where outside of the newsagent you could just ask them to check your balance, Also that way you have the live balance ( I think ) Instead of waiting for the Buses and Feries to synchronize back,
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Re: TRANSLink Journey Planner, website and publications thread

Postby Volvo B12BLEA » Sat Dec 12, 2009 1:28 am

PRT 065 wrote: Also that way you have the live balance ( I think ) Instead of waiting for the Buses and Feries to synchronize back,

I am using the "igo" application and it shows your latest balance. I added it to my iPhone, checked what it said my balance was and it matched with the "Go Card" website. After I arrived at work I checked on my phone for the balance and the journey I had just made was deducted.
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Re: TRANSLink Journey Planner, website and publications thread

Postby bunza » Sat Dec 12, 2009 10:45 am

It's a screen scraper, just like Chendo's mytrans.it page. Behind the scenes it logs into the Go Card website, takes what it wants and spits it out, so whatever you see on the website is what you see on the screen.
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Re: TRANSLink Journey Planner, website and publications thread

Postby chee » Sun Jan 03, 2010 11:38 am

chendo wrote:I also wrote an iPhone-specific version of the journey planner (which is still in beta) at http://mytrans.it/ because I found the Translink journey planner lacking on the iPhone (mobile one is worse IMO). If you don't have an iPhone, you can see a video of it in action at http://chendo.net/projects/code/web/mytransit. A desktop browser version is coming soon and will be followed by a normal mobile browser version.

Awesome site. Are you just querying the translink site to get the route data from the HTML or have you set up your own database or something?
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