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Adelaide Bus History C MCMANUS SUPPLIED IMAGES Part 29-35

Postby leyland4ever » Sun Jun 25, 2017 10:42 pm

attachment=1]521 601 King William Rd Cathedral 1954.jpg[/attachment]
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Re: Adelaide Bus History C MCMANUS SUPPLIED IMAGES Part 29

Postby system improver » Mon Jun 26, 2017 10:26 am

In my view, these 3 door buses are the best high density urban buses ever designed in Australia. They were wide (8 ft 6 inches, 2.6 metres, the US maximum width) and long (37 feet, 11.3metres). At the time, and still today, the dimensions only allowed them to operate in Adelaide. While maximum permissible length has been changed elsewhere, there is still no standard width in Australia, which is a disgrace. In Europe it is 2.55 metres. Interestingly, the MMTB in Melbourne was able to operate 8 ft 6 in wide buses (AEC Mk IV and AEC Mk VI) because the regulations did not apply to a government operator.

Sydney's roads have been engineered over the last 50 years to increase traffic flow. However, coming from interstate, one of the first things you notice about Sydney's roads is how narrow some of the lanes are. This is happening Melbourne as well, where some roads are being given more lanes by cutting emergency lanes and reducing lane width. I don't know whether there is an Australia wide minimum lane width, but I doubt it.

These 1950s and 60s AEC and Leyland buses for the MTT had excellent flow, mainly because of the large rear door (see below). In Europe, three door buses continued to be ordered over the years and, these days, they are all low floor. It is interesting to note that, without instruction, the majority of boarding passengers seem to go to the rear door. I guess this is due to the knowledge of the layout of the bus - usually having to pass a barrier at the front where the driver might also be collecting fares. It appears that the major chassis builders (Volvo, Scania, MAN and Mercedes Benz) do not build a right hand drive version of these thee door low floor chassis - perhaps if there was significant interest from down under, then they might.
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Re: Adelaide Bus History C MCMANUS SUPPLIED IMAGES Part 29

Postby leyland4ever » Mon Jun 26, 2017 9:44 pm

The tendency for passengers to load at the rear doors may also have been a throwback from the 1950s, when passengers were officially supposed to enter at the back door, "flow through" the bus, and alight at either the centre door or the front door (both single width).

A similar principle was supposed to apply on double decker buses, both diesel and electric trolley, albeit with only two doors.

I believe it was quite rigidly enforced on the trolley buses, but less so on the diesels, and it had fallen into disuse by the 1960s - passengers entered and departed by whichever door was closest - seemed to work reasonably well - the three-doors were relatively spacious inside, and passengers could generally move around readily.

For a while in the mid 1950s, buses used to display a "Rear Entrance" sign in the front destination box, as a reminder, and also to distinguish from buses operating one-man, which showed "Front Entrance". The Rear Entrance sign fell into disuse, but the "Front Entrance" sign remained in use until the mid 1970s, by which time all buses were one-man operated, using entry at the front, and exit at the centre door.

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Adelaide Bus History C MCMANUS SUPPLIED IMAGES Part 30

Postby leyland4ever » Mon Jun 26, 2017 10:05 pm

411   152 Ford  front  1951 MTT.jpg
411 152 Ford front 1951 MTT
501  AEC Regal IV 615  Victoria Square GPO  1954.jpg
501 AEC Regal IV 615 Victoria Square GPO 1954
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Re: Adelaide Bus History C MCMANUS SUPPLIED IMAGES Part 30

Postby paulgersche » Tue Jun 27, 2017 7:15 am

I love the bald tyre on 152!

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Adelaide Bus History C MCMANUS SUPPLIED IMAGES Part 31

Postby leyland4ever » Tue Jun 27, 2017 10:13 pm

321  AEC Regent 103 front  1951 MTT.jpg
321 AEC Regent 103 front 1951 MTT
401  Morphett Ford  212675  Semi Trailer Parliament House  1947.jpg
401 Morphett Ford 212675 Semi Trailer Parliament House 1947
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Adelaide Bus History C MCMANUS SUPPLIED IMAGES Part 32

Postby leyland4ever » Wed Jun 28, 2017 10:06 pm

221  Miss E D White  Brockway 88689  MOBL123  MTT 313.jpg
221 Miss E D White Brockway 88689 MOBL123 MTT 313
311  Leyland Lion 93   Hackney North Entrance 1938                      .jpg
311 Leyland Lion 93 Hackney North entrance 1938
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Adelaide Bus History C MCMANUS SUPPLIED IMAGES Part 33

Postby leyland4ever » Thu Jun 29, 2017 10:49 pm

201  Private bus  Franklin St  GPO  1920s.jpg
201 Private Bus Franklin St GPO 1920s
211  Mack MTT 51  Pennsylvania  1924.jpg
211 Mack MTT 51 Pennsylvania 1924
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Re: Adelaide Bus History C MCMANUS SUPPLIED IMAGES Part 33

Postby Bedford-29 » Fri Jun 30, 2017 10:31 am

Mack 1 still with Pennsylvania registration X11088 built by the International Motor Co New York 25/3/1925 the must been taken when still in USA.
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Adelaide Bus History C MCMANUS SUPPLIED IMAGES Part 34

Postby leyland4ever » Fri Jun 30, 2017 10:07 pm

810  Proto Artic  Volvo 280  Grenfell St  5-80.jpg
810 Proto Artic Volvo 280 Grenfell St 5-80
820  Opening Buses leave Paradise 9-3-85.jpg
820 Opening Buses leave Paradise 9-3-85
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Re: Adelaide Bus History C MCMANUS SUPPLIED IMAGES Part 34

Postby leyland4ever » Fri Jun 30, 2017 10:12 pm

I think the photo 810, of the Volvo prototype artic 280 is taken in Flinders Street, not Grenfell Street. (The same applies to photo 811, posted earlier.)
I have checked the provided captions, and both definitely say Grenfell Street.

However, I don't think the 721 etc ever operated from Grenfell Street. Before the current arrangement via King William Street, outer south buses loaded outside the Education Department building in Flinders Street, which I reckon is the location of the photos - this location dated back to the days of Briscoe's operations - I can't remember when the change to King William Street happened.

Please feel free to correct me if I have it wrong!

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Adelaide Bus History C MCMANUS SUPPLIED IMAGES Part 35

Postby leyland4ever » Sat Jul 01, 2017 10:43 pm

740  ExServiceman Bedford SB3 - GMH  7605  10-77.jpg
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750  Leyland 916  K Wm St GPO  3-72.jpg
750 Leyland 916 K Wm St GPO 3-72
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Re: Adelaide Bus History C MCMANUS SUPPLIED IMAGES Part 34

Postby Eurostar » Sat Jul 08, 2017 3:08 pm

leyland4ever wrote:
810 Proto Artic Volvo 280 Grenfell St 5-80.jpg
820 Opening Buses leave Paradise 9-3-85.jpg


Where is that merc at back turning from and whats that bridge in background?
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Re: Adelaide Bus History C MCMANUS SUPPLIED IMAGES Part 29

Postby Denv12 » Sat Jul 08, 2017 3:43 pm

An M.T.T Mack,fleet #51.
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