HCVC at Sandown (22/11/09).

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HCVC at Sandown (22/11/09).

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Went down to Commercial Display Vehicals at Sandown today (22 November) on wet day.

Line ups.
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Drivers Buslines.

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Invicta Bus (Grenda).

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Crowns Bus.

Buses & Coaches.
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(CH 5525) Leyland National.

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Denning Denair, Denning Body.

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Old Frankston Passengers Service #7 (Peninsula Bus #307) Leyland Tiger, Ansair.

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Invictabus #757 Scania K93CRB, PMCSA.

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New to Invictabus #830 (7505 AO) Scania K230UB, Volgren "CR228L".

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Driver's Buslines #88 (SA Rego SB 15 CT) Denning Manufacturing Low Floor - Cat, Denning Manufacturing.

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Bayside (Nuline) #41 (SA Rego SB 75 CD) Volvo B12B (13.5m), Coach Concepts (Ex Cullens Bus Lines, Wangaratta).

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Re: HCVC at Sandown (22/11/09).

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Does anybody know which chassis number or original operator fleetnumber was on the Leyland National? Its not obvious in the fleetlists

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Re: HCVC at Sandown (22/11/09).

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On assumption, this could be the Leyland National which was new to Delwood's Coaches, in NSW and currently housed in Drouin in Victoria.

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Re: HCVC at Sandown (22/11/09).

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Windy wrote:On assumption, this could be the Leyland National which was new to Delwood's Coaches, in NSW and currently housed in Drouin in Victoria.
Windy, you are correct it is the National which is housed at Drouin, it came for a bit of a run, and was a welcome addtion to the displayed units.
It carries what was basically it's livery whilst at Dalby.
yolo seems to be a bit of a trend!

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Re: HCVC at Sandown (22/11/09).

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The history is this:

02480 10951/1R 03/1976 Centenary Bus Service, Oxley, Qld ORW 321 B47F (on loan)
Delwood Bus Company, Granville, NSW m/o ???? B47F Only new 1 door 10.9 in Australia
Surfside Bus Lines, Tweed Heads, NSW 619 619 OBH B47F Replaced by a MAN by
April 1992
1993 Caboolture Bus Lines, Caboolture, Qld 5 096 BQM B47F Sold for caravan

Of interest is that the disposal lists show Caboolture's other unit (02482) as being the one sold to Dalby - it appears that the two disposals have been listed the wrong way round as the chassis no on the plate on Sunday was 02480.
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Re: HCVC at Sandown (22/11/09).

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Re the history of the Leyland National above, on closer inspection on the day, the Surfside orange is starting to become visible in places.

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Re: HCVC at Sandown (22/11/09).

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1whoknows wrote:The history is this:

02480 10951/1R 03/1976 Centenary Bus Service, Oxley, Qld ORW 321 B47F (on loan)
Delwood Bus Company, Granville, NSW m/o ???? B47F Only new 1 door 10.9 in Australia
Surfside Bus Lines, Tweed Heads, NSW 619 619 OBH B47F Replaced by a MAN by
April 1992
1993 Caboolture Bus Lines, Caboolture, Qld 5 096 BQM B47F Sold for caravan

Of interest is that the disposal lists show Caboolture's other unit (02482) as being the one sold to Dalby - it appears that the two disposals have been listed the wrong way round as the chassis no on the plate on Sunday was 02480.
I think I have my wires crossed somewhere but there are 2 National's both ex Caboolture sitting at the back of French's now Stonestreet's at Dalby - was there a third national there?

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Re: HCVC at Sandown (22/11/09).

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The two rusting shells at the back of the depot at Dalby were still there in February this year, and still wearing the remains of their just recognisable Caboolture livery. They are chassis numbers 02106 and 02482.

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Re: HCVC at Sandown (22/11/09).

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It is probably a bit naughty of me to request info / gen about a NSW based Leyland National in a thread about a HCVC display at Sandown, VIC, I know (please have mercy on me, Mr/s Moderator), but I'm wondering whether any of you pundits / experts can give me any inkling of the background / history of the Delwood (Parramatta - Villawood) LN on Route 186 shown here -
http://www.flickr.com/photos/41378227@N ... 735372439/

The BA fleetlist (http://www.busaustralia.com/fleetlists/ ... lslist.htm) makes nil mention of any LN having been reg'd m/o5603 and I have been unable to find any reference in my back issues of various mags, such as Oz Bus Panorama, FleetLine, etc. Any clarification of the chassis / serial number and previous / subsequent owners of the National in my 1981 pic would be greatly appreciated.

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Re: HCVC at Sandown (22/11/09).

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panther998 wrote:It is probably a bit naughty of me to request info / gen about a NSW based Leyland National in a thread about a HCVC display at Sandown, VIC, I know (please have mercy on me, Mr/s Moderator), but I'm wondering whether any of you pundits / experts can give me any inkling of the background / history of the Delwood (Parramatta - Villawood) LN on Route 186 shown here -
http://www.flickr.com/photos/41378227@N ... 735372439/

The BA fleetlist (http://www.busaustralia.com/fleetlists/ ... lslist.htm) makes nil mention of any LN having been reg'd m/o5603 and I have been unable to find any reference in my back issues of various mags, such as Oz Bus Panorama, FleetLine, etc. Any clarification of the chassis / serial number and previous / subsequent owners of the National in my 1981 pic would be greatly appreciated.
It is most likely this one -

02480 10951/1R 03/1976 Centenary Bus Service, Oxley, Qld ORW 321 B47F (on loan)
Delwood Bus Company, Granville, NSW m/o ???? B47F Only new 1 door 10.9 in Australia
Surfside Bus Lines, Tweed Heads, NSW 619 619 OBH B47F Replaced by a MAN by
April 1992
1993 Caboolture Bus Lines, Caboolture, Qld 5 096 BQM B47F Sold for caravan

It is listed m/o ???? whilst at Delwood and is the only National listed there for Delwood without a rego.

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Re: HCVC at Sandown (22/11/09).

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Here is a picture of Delwoods Leyland National picture from the Leon Batman collection.

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Re: HCVC at Sandown (22/11/09).

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Hornibrook wrote:It is most likely this one -

02480 10951/1R 03/1976 Centenary Bus Service, Oxley, Qld ORW321 B47F (on loan)
Delwood Bus Company, Granville, NSW m/o ???? B47F Only new 1 door 10.9 in Australia
Surfside Bus Lines, Tweed Heads, NSW 619 619OBH B47F Replaced by a MAN by April 1992
1993 Caboolture Bus Lines, Caboolture, Qld 5 096BQM B47F Sold for caravan

It is listed m/o ???? whilst at Delwood and is the only National listed there for Delwood without a rego.
ALBION1881 wrote:Here is a picture, from the Leon Batman collection, showing a Delwood's Leyland National.
Thanks for your input, Hornibrook and Albion1881. Alas, I cannot help but disagree with you that this is the bus I photographed in 1981. First and foremost, m/o5603 is clearly a 2 door bus, whereas both #02480 and m/o5068 (in the Colin Gray photo from Leon Batman's collection) are single door, coded B47F in the 'gen'. To me, it seems far more plausible that the photo helps to fill in the ???? about the rego of #02480 when with Delwood - looks like it was m/o5068 !! Also, from the photo in the original post about the Sandown display (feel free to scroll back up and check !!), looks like the "only 10.9 metre" single door LN has survived into preservation ?!?! Over to 'Mr Fleetlists' for confirmation / appropriate update of the list .. ..

Furthermore, surely if an operator had gone to the considerable trouble and expense of retro-fitting a centre door to a previously single door bus, then such a noteworthy event would appear in the records? Bearing in mind the modular construction of Leyland Nationals and that the module ahead of the rear axle was somewhat different between the /1R and /2R versions, the former with consistent floor across its width, standard 'wide' window on both sides, seat mountings, etc, the latter with step well and 4-leaf folding door on one side? Even if the conversion was done by PMC in Sydney (assembler of the ckd units imported to Oz) which was suitably equipped to handle the modules, it would surely have cost a bit to do and been worthy of note by enthusiasts and others in the industry. BUT, the above record indicates #02480 as being B47F until 1993 at least, so it does not appear to have become a 2-door bus like m/o5603.

So, I remain unconvinced, the mystery is not yet solved, and I continue to hope that one or more of those board members with better records of Oz Leyland Nationals than what is presently shown in the (very admirable, comprehensive and useful) list on the Bus Australia site will be forthcoming with (more) accurate info in due course.

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Re: HCVC at Sandown (22/11/09).

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This Leyland National could be to ex MTT Hobart Tasmania have look at the picture in System improvers thread on Leyland Nationals the picture of 649 it could be only a thought.

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Re: HCVC at Sandown (22/11/09).

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ALBION1881 wrote:This Leyland National could be ex MTT Hobart Tasmania - have look at the picture in System improver's thread on Leyland Nationals, the picture of 649. It could be - only a thought.
Definitely not ex MTT Tasmanaia - 62 of its 63 Leyland Nationals were 10.3 metre versions and all 63 were still with MTT Tasmania in 1981.
m/o5603 was definitely a 10.9 metre unit.

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What are the bus fleet numbers of Crown's 1225 and Hybrid?

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Look em up on the fleetlists. All the info is there.

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There is more than 1 hybrid and 1225 so the fleet list will not help.

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That Silverstring Outlaws bus is a real eye catcher :!:
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Oh how I remember this day clearly. If I remember rightly Bradley, you at one point had quite a lovely conversation with one of the local seagulls??

Anyway, some good photos taken there. :)
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