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NSWFB Scania Bronto

Postby Ben_Daui » Fri Mar 24, 2017 5:22 pm

Since Wednesdays storm, the NSWFB have being going around Whalan assisting people with roofs etc etc, I was quite surprised to see a Bronto out here in the west as these are usually based in the inner city and thanks for the NSWFB for helping in the community as they have being in Whalan since Wednesday and they are still in the area today, the pumpers have come across from all different areas of Sydney.
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Re: NSWFB Scania Bronto

Postby boronia » Fri Mar 24, 2017 5:34 pm

There is a Bronto at Parramatta and another one in the south west area.
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Re: NSWFB Scania Bronto

Postby Ben_Daui » Fri Mar 24, 2017 5:49 pm

boronia wrote:There is a Bronto at Parramatta and another one in the south west area.

Thanks for that Boronia, I had only seen these in the inner city, well you learn something new everyday.
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Re: NSWFB Scania Bronto

Postby boronia » Fri Mar 24, 2017 6:07 pm

One at Manly, another at Kogarah as well, Newcastle, Wollongong.

Was one at Hornsby till late last year
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Re: NSWFB Scania Bronto

Postby Andy O » Sun Mar 26, 2017 1:54 pm

Slightly off topic Boronia , but where has Hornsby's gone? or have the just retired the old merc?
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Re: NSWFB Scania Bronto

Postby boronia » Sun Mar 26, 2017 2:27 pm

Retired (20 years old), and no government funding to replace it.
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Re: NSWFB Scania Bronto

Postby Swift » Wed Mar 29, 2017 8:24 am

Is it compulsory to retire them at 20?
I hope these Scanias don't have five cylinder motors too.
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Re: NSWFB Scania Bronto

Postby boronia » Wed Mar 29, 2017 8:45 am

Equipment of this nature is required to be stripped down and inspected every 10 years.

It is an expensive process, and it is not economically viable to do it a second time.
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Re: NSWFB Scania Bronto

Postby Swift » Wed Mar 29, 2017 3:27 pm

A truck operator out there should get a good buy.
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Re: NSWFB Scania Bronto

Postby boronia » Wed Mar 29, 2017 4:43 pm

A clapped out 20 year old Mercedes 8 wheeler with 15 ton of useless steel on top?
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Re: NSWFB Scania Bronto

Postby Swift » Wed Mar 29, 2017 7:27 pm

It would have lead a charmed life in the NSWFB wouldn't it. I have heard that the mechanics are given all the time they need to maintain them and repair to a high standard to ensure reliability.
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Re: NSWFB Scania Bronto

Postby stajourneyman » Mon Apr 17, 2017 9:33 pm

A couple of days after the storm there were 12 NSWFB trucks parked outside the Mount Druitt SES depot.

They came from near and far including Penrith, Kellyville, Ashfield, Castlereagh St City, Campbelltown area(?) etc.

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Re: NSWFB Scania Bronto

Postby boronia » Mon Apr 17, 2017 9:54 pm

Swift wrote:It would have lead a charmed life in the NSWFB wouldn't it. I have heard that the mechanics are given all the time they need to maintain them and repair to a high standard to ensure reliability.


Out on the road, they get thrashed by unsympathetic drivers.

Mechanics have to work to a budget, so they get what they pay for.

I have seen photos taken during some of these mid-life overhauls, and the condition of some components was scary.
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Re: NSWFB Scania Bronto

Postby Swift » Tue Apr 18, 2017 2:20 pm

boronia wrote:
Out on the road, they get thrashed by unsympathetic drivers.

Mechanics have to work to a budget so they get what they pay for.

I have seen photos taken during some of these mid-life overhauls, and the condition of some components was scary.

Could you explain a bit more with your second sentence?

I guess firetrucks are bound to be driven hard straight away with stone cold engines as it is the nature of their duty to get to a location asap at short notice. With the fairly recent revelation of workplace harassment and a macho culture in general within the NSWFB, it's not hard to believe that extends to the treatment of their vehicles.
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Re: NSWFB Scania Bronto

Postby boronia » Tue Apr 18, 2017 3:41 pm

^^ There is a certain amount of money budgeted each year for "repairs to appliances" which managers are accountable for.

It is possible that a problems is more likely to be "repaired" rather than the underlying fault being "fixed" because this is cheaper. Eventually the problem re-surfaces and has the be repaired again, hopefully out of the next year's budget.

Chassis and fire fighting equipment are getting more complicated, requiring more specialist maintenance. The budgets don't necessarily increase proportionately to this demand, so cost cutting becomes the goal.

This is a generalized opinion, not a specific target.
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Re: NSWFB Scania Bronto

Postby Swift » Tue Apr 18, 2017 4:15 pm

Welcome to the bus industry ( for years).
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Re: NSWFB Scania Bronto

Postby Fleet Lists » Tue Apr 18, 2017 5:21 pm

It happens in EVERY industry - not just buses (or Fire Engines)
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Re: NSWFB Scania Bronto

Postby Ben_Daui » Tue Apr 18, 2017 7:17 pm

boronia wrote:^^ There is a certain amount of money budgeted each year for "repairs to appliances" which managers are accountable for.
This is a generalized opinion, not a specific target.

Are the Pumpers still owned or are they leased now?
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Re: NSWFB Scania Bronto

Postby boronia » Tue Apr 18, 2017 7:47 pm

AFIK all the larger vehicles are owned, only the smaller vehicles are leased.

The cost of transferring equipment over to a new chassis every 2 to 3 years would be horrendous.
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Re: NSWFB Scania Bronto

Postby Swift » Wed Apr 19, 2017 3:21 pm

I think it's time for the Fire Dept to stop buying European.
Pity they don't give RFW a go. They would cobble together something tough and basic.
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Re: NSWFB Scania Bronto

Postby boronia » Wed Apr 19, 2017 3:59 pm

RFW have long been out of production now.

NSWFB got one RFW truck back in the 70s but it had a relatively short life.
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Wormald Bros used RFW chassis for a few other heavy duty trucks for other states in the 70s, not aware of how they preformed.
NSWFB's first Bronto in 1987 was built a Kenworth chassis, but it only lasted 10 years.
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Re: NSWFB Scania Bronto

Postby Swift » Wed Apr 19, 2017 7:07 pm

Maybe the successor to International trucks, Iveco Australia as an alternative to imported trucks off the rack which have expensive complicated parts and are unnecessarily sophisticated ( so you are dependent on their service department).
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Re: NSWFB Scania Bronto

Postby Ben_Daui » Wed Apr 19, 2017 7:14 pm

Swift wrote:Maybe the successor to International trucks, Iveco Australia as an alternative to imported trucks

I don't think Iveco make dual cab acco's these days, it's nice to see acco's still being used by concrete companies and garbage truck operators but not the Fire Brigades as we see Euro and now Japanese trucks.
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Re: NSWFB Scania Bronto

Postby B7RLE » Sat Apr 22, 2017 5:28 pm

Do NSW have what we down in Victoria call telebooms or aerial pumpers. Where they have the boom but no one can get up in a bucket just a nozzel?
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Re: NSWFB Scania Bronto

Postby boronia » Sat Apr 22, 2017 5:36 pm

There are about a dozen of these, called Telesqurts here, designated as Aerial Pumps. On Scania 94 or P360 6x4 chassis

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