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Re: Murrays Asian Invasion

PostPosted: Mon Jul 19, 2010 9:23 am
by The Inspector
ALBION1881 wrote:Good morning BCI and Ankai are are Chinese built and BCI are knowing by name of Bonluck,Yutong,King long and the list goes on in China here have a look for yourself. http://www.chinabuses.org


Yes we are aware they are chinese (Asian) built, who was your reply for?

Re: Murrays Asian Invasion

PostPosted: Tue Jul 20, 2010 11:46 pm
by Daz
So what happens now? Murrays buy these, 2yrs time they sell them, someone else buys them, runs them into the ground, then someone else buys them and runs it into the ground, then someone else buys it etc... This means for the next 15-20 years we are going to see these rubbish second-hand mobile disasters flow through the various coach companies. Try getting a Bonluck or Zhontong idler pulley in 15 years time... And now what happens in 2yrs when Mr Murray wants to sell his Chinese sphincters and can only get <$100k for them after buying them for not much less than an Aussie/Euro coach. How can he afford to upgrade again then? This is quite possibly a result of the tax rebate scheme for businesses from your government- although I don't quite think it went the way they planned it. But hey, if I could get every 4th bus free, I'd have upgraded too.

Loved brendan's comment about how he hates them so much he wants to set himself on fire... 10/10 mate :D ...

Daz.

Re: Murrays Asian Invasion

PostPosted: Wed Jul 21, 2010 8:03 am
by boronia
I am not supporting or condemning BCI, but:

Murray probably wouldn't "buy" them, he would lease them for say 3 or 4 years.

At the end of this time he has the option of paying out the residual and keeping them, or returning them to the finance company and they become "someone else's problem". So he knows exactly what the cost of these vehicles will be over this period. Maybe they won't last for 15 or even 10 years, but that is not Muuray's problem, or even ours. There are shonky operators out there who run suspect old Mercs or Scanias; at worst these BCI will end up on the scrap heap sooner

With the potential of him buying around 100 buses, I am sure he gets a deal out of BCI (not just on the volume, but the credo of someome having a "fleet" of them, not just one or two as most sales are). I'm guessing he got some good "warranty" provisions in the deal as well. Perhaps even a "power by the hour" lease and maintenace deal like Scania offered a few years back.

Ron Murray is no fool, and used to have some astute back office staff. I don't think he would rush into this deal without some very careful consideration.


A Bonluck idler pulley?? Well perhaps a Cummins idler pulley, which in fact you might be able to buy off the shelf in any industrial supplies store. These sort of parts are usually made to industry standards, meaning they are interchangeable and long-lasting availability wise. I have very few problems buying such parts for 60+ year old vehicles.

Re: Murrays Asian Invasion

PostPosted: Wed Jul 21, 2010 5:18 pm
by Denning-6V71
Well from what I've heard regarding the Cummins motors and Allison gearboxes is that these are also manufactured in China under license. Pure rumour mind you, but something to consider.

Re: Murrays Asian Invasion

PostPosted: Wed Jul 21, 2010 7:15 pm
by boronia
I am sure that the Chinese CAN make a good quality product, if someone is there actually monitoring the process.

I feel that Cummins, or Allison, or whoever, would be there protecting their international reputations. :cry:

Time will tell. :twisted:

Re: Murrays Asian Invasion

PostPosted: Wed Jul 21, 2010 8:49 pm
by Daz
The idler pulley on our BCI was NOT a Cummins part- far from it. The engine installed was a CHINESE 4cyl "for local Chinese market only". None of the ancillaries were *points a big finger at the Chong Shon-Ki fan and amazingly complicated gearbox*.

There must be some reason. I wonder why? Maybe they employed a nice young blonde saleswoman. I know I nearly ended up with a used Ford Territory that way; "Sign here" then she bent riiiiight over her desk to push the paperwork my way... So close...

Daz.

Re: Murrays Asian Invasion

PostPosted: Wed Jul 21, 2010 9:15 pm
by ALBION1881
Look at the web link I posted it tells you what engines and gearboxes the Chinese are making and putting in these buses and coaches as some look like something you find in a Leyland or a AEC bus from a bygone era you wonder sometimes if the Chinese have copied old engine and gearbox designs.

Re: Murrays Asian Invasion

PostPosted: Wed Jul 21, 2010 9:34 pm
by Windy
Is it necessary for you to make your posts in bold??? If you know how to click a "B" button, surely you know how you use "." "," and "?" ?

Re: Murrays Asian Invasion

PostPosted: Wed Jul 21, 2010 9:41 pm
by Swift
What is your opinion on the buses Windy?I think they really do represent an unwanted invasion here.
Are we embarking on an export program of Volgrens to China any time soon?

Re: Murrays Asian Invasion

PostPosted: Wed Jul 21, 2010 9:52 pm
by ALBION1881
You know the reason why I am writing this way Windy for the ones that keep on whinging about my punctuation and grammar this way they can read my posts without needing a pair of glasses and a interpreter.

Re: Murrays Asian Invasion

PostPosted: Wed Jul 21, 2010 10:05 pm
by The Inspector
ALBION1881 wrote:You know the reason why I am writing this way Windy for the ones that keep on whinging about my punctuation and grammar this way they can read my posts without needing a pair of glasses and a interpreter.


Not having a go at you but making a post in bold doesnt make it any differant to if it was normal text as your writing style is still the same.

Re: Murrays Asian Invasion

PostPosted: Wed Jul 21, 2010 10:08 pm
by Gday
ALBION1881 wrote:You know the reason why I am writing this way Windy for the ones that keep on whinging about my punctuation and grammar this way they can read my posts without needing a pair of glasses and a interpreter.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Re: Murrays Asian Invasion

PostPosted: Wed Jul 21, 2010 10:14 pm
by Gday
boronia wrote:I am sure that the Chinese CAN make a good quality product, if someone is there actually monitoring the process.

I feel that Cummins, or Allison, or whoever, would be there protecting their international reputations. :cry:

Time will tell. :twisted:


I can show you an $8500 bill that shows you how much quality is in the production of a Chinese built cummins. 90000km on it and F^&%ed. RUSTED INSIDE. This is Cummins, not BCI. Wuxi ANyuan who built mine, buy the cummins, from Cummins, China. Quite funny really, they have a Cummins UK sticker on them, but when you trace the engine history, the bastard was made in china, out of shithouse recycled metal, never been anywhere near UK.
Chinese buses have a market, in fact a huge market here, They will not last 20-30 years, but in all honesty, do we want 30 year old vehicles and technology on our roads?
That said and done, My little 33 seater BCI is going like a champion at the moment after all the initial problems. BUT, I wont have it any longer than 5 years.
BTW, is anyone going to comment on the new fully imported scania buses. They are made in china also!

Re: Murrays Asian Invasion

PostPosted: Wed Jul 21, 2010 10:23 pm
by CB80
Gday wrote:BTW, is anyone going to comment on the new fully imported scania buses. They are made in china also!

The Higer built Scanias?

Not a fan of the looks of those, have they got any orders yet?

Re: Murrays Asian Invasion

PostPosted: Wed Jul 21, 2010 10:26 pm
by The Inspector
Gday wrote:BTW, is anyone going to comment on the new fully imported scania buses. They are made in china also!


Which new Scania imports? the only fully imported vehicles on Scania that I am aware of are the Irizars which are Brazilian

Re: Murrays Asian Invasion

PostPosted: Wed Jul 21, 2010 10:29 pm
by CB80
The Inspector wrote:Which new Scania imports? the only fully imported vehicles on Scania that I am aware of are the Irizars which are Brazilian


These: http://www.scania.com.au/buses-coaches/school/

They're built by Higer for Scania in a Joint Venture.

Re: Murrays Asian Invasion

PostPosted: Wed Jul 21, 2010 11:34 pm
by C130
I believe there is a number of them (Scania A30) at Park Ridge Transit in QLD.

Re: Murrays Asian Invasion

PostPosted: Thu Jul 22, 2010 8:03 pm
by The Inspector
CB80 wrote:
These: http://www.scania.com.au/buses-coaches/school/

They're built by Higer for Scania in a Joint Venture.


Thanks, they dont look half bad

Re: Murrays Asian Invasion

PostPosted: Thu Jul 22, 2010 8:11 pm
by Volvo Super Olympian
Those A30 are actually called A50 in China/Hong Kong. The body is built by Higer, but the chassis are imported directly from Scania.

I haven't heard any major complaints about their quality, and they are quite widely used in HK.

Example of them in action in HK's Disneyland: http://www.hkitalk.net/HKiTalk2/viewthr ... tid=470015

Re: Murrays Asian Invasion

PostPosted: Fri Jul 23, 2010 8:54 am
by Daz
Now this may be something worth looking at. If Scania are going to maintain it ALL themselves... But then thinking back, those local HK buses are only a few years old and already in such terrible condition with broken pieces and things that don't work.

Daz.

Re: Murrays Asian Invasion

PostPosted: Fri Sep 28, 2018 12:42 pm
by boronia

Re: Murrays Asian Invasion

PostPosted: Fri Sep 28, 2018 2:20 pm
by Swift
Look at them posing as though it's all Aussie when it's all import import import. Australia isn't Australia anymore, especially when we are run by self interested traitors.
Need something, just ship it in line a two bit island we are rapidly becoming. We have foreigners building our stuff.
I'm sickened beyond words what we have become.
Donald Trump is putting the brakes to the madness on the other side of the pond. Best leader in history.

Re: Murrays Asian Invasion

PostPosted: Fri Sep 28, 2018 5:31 pm
by Centralian
Denning Manufacturing in Queensland is trying with its Phoenix range and slowly getting numbers in Qld and NSW fleets, even AAT Kings have acquired one of their recently built coaches.