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Murrays Asian Invasion

Postby The Inspector » Wed Jul 14, 2010 8:34 pm

With the arrival and now everyday use of the BCI "Explorers" on the Canberra run I though it would be a good time to post pics of Murrays Asian built fleet for some sort of comparrison.

First a few pics of the not to successful Ankai's and then the new toys, the BCI "Explorer's".
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Re: Murrays Asian Invasion

Postby shovelyjoe » Wed Jul 14, 2010 8:45 pm

My God, they are really hideous looking coaches.
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Re: Murrays Asian Invasion

Postby The Inspector » Wed Jul 14, 2010 8:48 pm

shovelyjoe wrote:My God, they are really hideous looking coaches.


which ones?
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Re: Murrays Asian Invasion

Postby boronia » Wed Jul 14, 2010 9:02 pm

The Ankai might look better if it didn't have that white "moustache" at the front :oops:

The second photo with the cab in shadow does make it look real weird. :shock:
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Re: Murrays Asian Invasion

Postby shovelyjoe » Wed Jul 14, 2010 9:57 pm

The Inspector wrote:
shovelyjoe wrote:My God, they are really hideous looking coaches.


which ones?


Both, but especially the Ankai.
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Re: Murrays Asian Invasion

Postby ALBION1881 » Wed Jul 14, 2010 10:13 pm

Just think of Bus Australia and there Bovas and look at the Chinese built Ankai and decide which coach was ugly.
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Re: Murrays Asian Invasion

Postby Simes » Thu Jul 15, 2010 1:13 am

Certainly not the Bovas
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Re: Murrays Asian Invasion

Postby Ben O » Thu Jul 15, 2010 10:07 am

Good shots - I saw a two axle new BCI for Murray's last night. Has anyone else seen one of these?
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Re: Murrays Asian Invasion

Postby boronia » Thu Jul 15, 2010 11:03 am

Ben O wrote:Good shots - I saw a two axle new BCI for Murray's last night. Has anyone else seen one of these?

They acquired a couple from TP Oceania a while back, and I saw about 6 new ones lined up in the depot a couple of weeks ago, I'd guesss they are replacing the MANs.

Murrays have around 100 coaches to replace, so I'm guessing you will be seeing a lot more BCIs in coming months.
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Re: Murrays Asian Invasion

Postby Swift » Thu Jul 15, 2010 7:25 pm

Are Murrays running low on capital to be turnng to these instead of their traditional quality European sourced equipment.
These surely can't measure up to those standards.Those Ankais look like a giant vacuum cleaner and are horrid looking and are plainly made to Asian tastes.
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Re: Murrays Asian Invasion

Postby Denning-6V71 » Thu Jul 15, 2010 9:48 pm

The problem, as far as I can see, is that the current Murrays fleet is mostly between 15 and 20 years old. Even with Euro chassis (MAN, Merc & Scania) and Australian built (PMCA & Austral-Denning) bodywork, they won't fetch enough resale to be able to buy a new coach of comparable quality (think Scania K380 or Merc O500 with Custom or Coach Design or Mills Tui bodies). In fact, Murrays would be having to look at a huge outlay of money to update the fleet from where it is now, even taking into account the resale value of their current coaches.
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Re: Murrays Asian Invasion

Postby ALBION1881 » Thu Jul 15, 2010 10:19 pm

Anyone for Chinese takeaway cause that we are going to see for years to come the cheaply built Chinese buses or coaches.
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Re: Murrays Asian Invasion

Postby Mitch » Fri Jul 16, 2010 12:01 am

I really am loving your hate on the asian coach builders.
I personally think that they look quite nice.

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Re: Murrays Asian Invasion

Postby Trobleshooter » Fri Jul 16, 2010 3:04 am

As far as I know is that the quality of Chinese export models are better than those for China.

Doesn't suprise me that Murrarys bought BCI buses but for Ankai it might be a nice try....... :mrgreen:
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Re: Murrays Asian Invasion

Postby STA 1440 » Sat Jul 17, 2010 3:43 am

I have a sudden urge to vomit.
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Re: Murrays Asian Invasion

Postby Swift » Sat Jul 17, 2010 12:46 pm

B58 Howler wrote:I have a sudden urge to vomit.

At last ,a voice of reason :mrgreen: .
I really think Murrays should have waited and seen other operator's experiences with these complete unknown budget price coaches before committing to them ,unless they only plan to keep them short term and lose a whole heap of money on depreciation :roll: .
They aren;'t supporting local industry either unless importers count. :roll:
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Re: Murrays Asian Invasion

Postby Chris Guru » Sun Jul 18, 2010 6:51 pm

Murrays employee told me they have Cummins engines, Allison 6 speed autos and ZF hubs and diffs, so hardly an unkown factor on the part of the running gear. He also mentioned that their performance is far superior to the Scanias they are replacing. These specs were for the Canberra-Sydney Express ones, which also feature a steerable tag.

Wont be long before we see these chinese bodies come into the route sector in large numbers. To be honest, i don't think they could be much worse than the current CB60's being delivered, the quailty control on these buses is non exsistent.
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Re: Murrays Asian Invasion

Postby Swift » Sun Jul 18, 2010 9:12 pm

Australians will choose anything that is cheaper,forgetting the bigger picture.
Sure it might have a powerful truck motor pushing it along but can we trust the structural integrity of the chassis and body frame to stand up to our poor road standards long term?Plus I understand that while the engines are U.S made Cummins motors,I read somewhere that the ancillaries on at least some Chinese made buses are Chinese sourced and prone to failure.

I just don't see them lasting as long as the Scanias did.
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Re: Murrays Asian Invasion

Postby boronia » Mon Jul 19, 2010 12:44 am

It is Murray's reputation and bottom line that will suffer if these coaches don't work out, so it is not our problem to critisize.

Perhaps it is a question of too many accountants, and not enough industry experience, dictating their operating policies.
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Re: Murrays Asian Invasion

Postby cal_t » Mon Jul 19, 2010 1:24 am

The title is not of good taste either, let alone the aesthetic designs of the coaches.
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Re: Murrays Asian Invasion

Postby Brendan03 » Mon Jul 19, 2010 1:35 am

ALBION1881 wrote:Anyone for Chinese takeaway cause that we are going to see for years to come the cheaply built Chinese buses or coaches.


Don't forget mine!!! Please! I hate them so much I want to set myself on fire!
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Re: Murrays Asian Invasion

Postby boronia » Mon Jul 19, 2010 1:39 am

So Murrays' fleet has been "invaded" by Asian coaches. what is the problem with that ??
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Re: Murrays Asian Invasion

Postby The Inspector » Mon Jul 19, 2010 4:52 am

cal_t wrote:The title is not of good taste either, let alone the aesthetic designs of the coaches.


Let me see, the coaches are Asian and they are invading the Murrays fleet so what else would have been a good title?

I have not had any negative comments on the title, actualy there are quite a few people who think its a good accurate title and some of these people are of Asian background.

Had they been coaches from europe I would have could it the European invasion,would you find that in bad taste aswell?
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Re: Murrays Asian Invasion

Postby mrobsessed » Mon Jul 19, 2010 4:55 am

Cummins engines, ZF gearbxes and axles are hardly unknown. Anything else on them, and I mean any part is easily ordered from China if you know where to look. Couple that with competitive pricing and quality control that is almost to our standard and I know where I'd be putting my money!
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Re: Murrays Asian Invasion

Postby ALBION1881 » Mon Jul 19, 2010 5:15 am

Good morning BCI and Ankai are are Chinese built and BCI are knowing by name of Bonluck,Yutong,King long and the list goes on in China here have a look for yourself. http://www.chinabuses.org
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