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Getting ready for the double deckers?

Postby OLYMPIAN » Mon Mar 05, 2012 6:31 pm

Found this on flickr today, look like is getting ready for the Enviro 500s
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Re: Getting ready for the double deckers?

Postby Ribble » Tue Mar 06, 2012 2:13 pm

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Re: Getting ready for the double deckers?

Postby kaiwhara » Tue Mar 06, 2012 2:16 pm

I was under the impression the first two prototypes were meant to be imported built up...
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Re: Getting ready for the double deckers?

Postby Ribble » Tue Mar 06, 2012 4:22 pm

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Re: Getting ready for the double deckers?

Postby OLYMPIAN » Tue Mar 06, 2012 7:13 pm

Seems like they will have Kiwibus body instead of Enviro 500 body from ADL, unless ADL designing a narrow version of Enviro 500 body for New Zealand and Australian market
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Re: Getting ready for the double deckers?

Postby Ribble » Wed Mar 07, 2012 3:45 am

OLYMPIAN wrote:Seems like they will have Kiwibus body instead of Enviro 500 body from ADL, unless ADL designing a narrow version of Enviro 500 body for New Zealand and Australian market

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Re: Getting ready for the double deckers?

Postby Trolley Bus Racer » Wed Mar 07, 2012 6:34 pm

That would be amazing, be nice to have some in Wellington too! guess the tunnels rule them out :(
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Re: Getting ready for the double deckers?

Postby padbus » Thu Mar 08, 2012 5:56 am

Having buses specially built to a non-standard width must be incredibly expensive, It would surely be cheaper and easier to relax the width limit, if only for specific routes. It's only 5cm after all. I doubt if anyone would notice the difference.
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Re: Getting ready for the double deckers?

Postby OLYMPIAN » Thu Mar 08, 2012 9:41 am

I hv been told the part that makes the chassis overwidth is the panel on the wheelarches
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Re: Getting ready for the double deckers?

Postby Vitalstatistix » Thu Mar 08, 2012 9:59 am

Trolley Bus Racer wrote:That would be amazing, be nice to have some in Wellington too! guess the tunnels rule them out :(

Wouldn't the overhead wires affect decker operations as well??
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Re: Getting ready for the double deckers?

Postby Ribble » Thu Mar 08, 2012 2:44 pm

Vitalstatistix wrote:
Trolley Bus Racer wrote:That would be amazing, be nice to have some in Wellington too! guess the tunnels rule them out :(

Wouldn't the overhead wires affect decker operations as well??
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Re: Getting ready for the double deckers?

Postby kaiwhara » Thu Mar 08, 2012 3:01 pm

In short, No.

Vitalstatistix wrote:
Trolley Bus Racer wrote:That would be amazing, be nice to have some in Wellington too! guess the tunnels rule them out :(

Wouldn't the overhead wires affect decker operations as well??
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Re: Getting ready for the double deckers?

Postby Cordes Express » Sat Mar 10, 2012 1:46 pm

Vitalstatistix wrote:
Trolley Bus Racer wrote:That would be amazing, be nice to have some in Wellington too! guess the tunnels rule them out :(

Wouldn't the overhead wires affect decker operations as well??


Wellington have a few Double Deckers running on Sightseeing services & I believe they haven't had any issues with the Trolley wires.. So i say Bring on the Deckers...
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Re: Getting ready for the double deckers?

Postby kaiwhara » Sat Mar 10, 2012 2:01 pm

They did (all sold off a few years ago), however they were severely restricted on where they could go (not allowed through any Tunnels, or up to Kingston, Northern suburbs etc).

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Wellington have a few Double Deckers running on Sightseeing services & I believe they haven't had any issues with the Trolley wires.. So i say Bring on the Deckers...
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Re: Getting ready for the double deckers?

Postby Ribble » Sat Mar 10, 2012 4:19 pm

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Re: Getting ready for the double deckers?

Postby Ribble » Sat Mar 10, 2012 4:20 pm

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Re: Getting ready for the double deckers?

Postby Trolley Bus Racer » Sat Mar 10, 2012 7:00 pm

kaiwhara wrote:They did (all sold off a few years ago), however they were severely restricted on where they could go (not allowed through any Tunnels, or up to Kingston, Northern suburbs etc)


Why not Kingston?
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Re: Getting ready for the double deckers?

Postby OLYMPIAN » Sat Mar 10, 2012 9:37 pm

Don

The chassis can be shipped in on a cargo size platform
I think is too early to talk about the buses getting bodied at this stage

Also, back in 5-10 years ago, Citybus in Hong Kong was planned to ship the world first air cond double deck trolleybus to Wellington after the project was objected by the authorities in Hong Kong, but it didn't happen (At the same time was also planned to ship some 12m double decker buses from Hong Kong for the Shore)
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Re: Getting ready for the double deckers?

Postby kaiwhara » Sun Mar 11, 2012 5:34 am

Several low spots on the Overhead.

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kaiwhara wrote:They did (all sold off a few years ago), however they were severely restricted on where they could go (not allowed through any Tunnels, or up to Kingston, Northern suburbs etc)


Why not Kingston?
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Re: Getting ready for the double deckers?

Postby Ribble » Sun Mar 11, 2012 8:20 am

OLYMPIAN wrote:Don
The chassis can be shipped in on a cargo size platform
I think is too early to talk about the buses getting bodied at this stage.

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Re: Getting ready for the double deckers?

Postby Ribble » Sun Mar 11, 2012 8:25 am

OLYMPIAN wrote:Don
Also, back in 5-10 years ago, Citybus in Hong Kong was planned to ship the world first air cond double deck trolleybus to Wellington after the project was objected by the authorities in Hong Kong, but it didn't happen (At the same time was also planned to ship some 12m double decker buses from Hong Kong for the Shore)


There were many "plans" back then by the NZ Stagecoach Company ....but times seem to have changed ......and the thoughts of having Double Deckers is now clearly acceptable to NZ Land Transport and Operators.

Lets hope that soon, the restrictive "axle weight limits" still imposed by NZLT will also be upgraded and allow what the rest of the world accepts and Tag Axles will become less common on shorter vehicles..
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Re: Getting ready for the double deckers?

Postby Ribble » Mon Mar 12, 2012 7:36 am

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Re: Getting ready for the double deckers?

Postby kaiwhara » Mon Mar 12, 2012 7:50 am

Yeah it has been through town and down Dominion Rd as well.

Don't forget out Deckers will be low floor downstairs, whereas an SL202 obviously isn't, so that would reduce the overall height somewhat.
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Re: Getting ready for the double deckers?

Postby Ribble » Mon Mar 12, 2012 11:43 am

kaiwhara wrote:Don't forget out Deckers will be low floor downstairs, whereas an SL202 obviously isn't, so that would reduce the overall height somewhat.
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Re: Getting ready for the double deckers?

Postby Ribble » Mon Mar 12, 2012 11:46 am

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