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Re: Victorian Timetable & Route Changes 2018

Postby Craig » Sat Mar 31, 2018 4:21 pm

krustyklo wrote:I find it surprising that there aren't more trips on route 3 to Wallara Waters given it only travels 4 minutes to the end of Wallara Waters Dve and 4 minutes back. Putting all 3 timetables into an Excel spreadsheet, it looks like the more interesting point is not the one bus in the middle of the day, but that there are 3 buses each peak hour - effectively one for each route, with the two buses on routes 1 and 2 both operating until 11pm. Definitely a very generous provision for a small town, even allowing for the housing estates sprouting up. Good gig for the route 3 driver too with all that waiting time at the station...


I thought that the peak vehicle requirement was a bit too obvious to mention, given all three routes meet the same peak-hour trains.

If the rostering is done well, the long layovers on Route 3 should be divvied up between all three shifts, rather than one driver spending 90% of his shift asleep or scrolling Facebook.

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Re: Victorian Timetable & Route Changes 2018

Postby krustyklo » Sun Apr 01, 2018 7:02 pm

I thought that the peak vehicle requirement was a bit too obvious to mention, given all three routes meet the same peak-hour trains.

Either clearly not, or clearly I'm not intelligent enough to interpret what others see as the obvious. Please don't answer that... :lol:

Rightly or wrongly I found it interesting that the service provision goes from 3 buses in the am peak to 1 during the interpeak period to 3 in the afternoon peak, to 2 until 11pm at night. Or to put it another way, the peak hour provision is 300% of the daytime provision, including running buses exclusively half hourly or worse on a route that takes 8 minutes to traverse. Even the evening service until 11pm is better than the daytime service (200% of the daytime provision) - that seems a little odd in itself given there is only one train met after the 8.xx series trains. Great if you live in Wallan, not so great if you live in an outer Melbourne suburb where there is either no evening service, or an hourly one which doesn't meet trains overly well. I do wonder whether greater potential might be met by running a single bus in the evening and 2 during the day on routes 1 and 2. Presumably someone's done the research to find running 2 buses to meet the 10.33 pm arrival is a better use of funds than meeting the hourly trains during the day on both routes.

Presumably as the Wallara Waters estate expands, so will the route. Given the medium term plan is apparently to extend Tarago St through to the highway, it's quite possible that the path the route may eventually follow may well take in the south west estates and/or the southwest part of route 1 to terminate at the shops.

If the rostering is done well, the long layovers on Route 3 should be divvied up between all three shifts, rather than one driver spending 90% of his shift asleep or scrolling Facebook.

That did occur to me - without knowing, it is quite likely the evening breaks are included by rotating the other 2 drivers through a route 3 service followed by a 30 minute break, followed by resuming service on routes 1 or 2. Although there's plenty of 30 minute waits later in the evening too...
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Re: Victorian Timetable & Route Changes 2018

Postby BroadGauge » Sun Apr 01, 2018 7:57 pm

krustyklo wrote:Even the evening service until 11pm is better than the daytime service (200% of the daytime provision) - that seems a little odd in itself given there is only one train met after the 8.xx series trains.

Seems like basically 4 hours worth of service provision per day (two buses and drivers, for two hours each) are being spent in providing bus connections for passengers coming off that one train!

I'd be tipping that the number of people who even catch the train to Wallan on the last train of the night isn't huge, and that the number who might use a bus would be even smaller.

I've seen that particular train (9:50pm SCS to Seymour) operating with 3 out of 4 carriages locked off (and certainly nobody standing in the one first class carriage that is the only one open!) on multiple occasions! :twisted:

Guessing also that the intermediate round trips at 9:40pm from Wallan on both routes #1 and #2 would carry few passengers, as they don't connect with any train arrivals, but might get the odd passenger who wants to go to the station for the 10:29pm train to Melbourne?

Have to admit that the last time I caught that train which was late last year, there was only a total of one passenger other than myself carried over the whole journey from Seymour to Melbourne!

I'd rather not deprive the people of Wallan from having a decent level of public transport, but in this case this is where running something like a single bus (or even a minibus/van) that runs as a set-down-only service to anywhere on those routes where passengers wish to alight would be the most resourceful way to provide the service that the public needs.
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Re: Victorian Timetable & Route Changes 2018

Postby krustyklo » Sun Apr 01, 2018 9:37 pm

I'd rather not deprive the people of Wallan from having a decent level of public transport, but in this case this is where running something like a single bus (or even a minibus/van) that runs as a set-down-only service to anywhere on those routes where passengers wish to alight would be the most resourceful way to provide the service that the public needs.

It would probably also be more convenient as you could potentially drop people off closer to home, or to an optimised route for the people actually on the bus at that time of night. Indeed, I'm sure the local taxi operator would be happy to do a deal given there would be little custom at that time of night, and likely at a fraction of the cost of running 2 buses until 11pm...

Further investigation shows that the electoral redistribution between the 2010 and 2014 moved Wallan, Beveridge and Upper Plenty into the marginal electorate of Yan Yean which was won by Labor with only 469 votes over the Liberal candidate (https://www.vec.vic.gov.au/Results/State2014/YanYeanDistrict.html). I guess if you are concerned about winning the 2018 election, throwing money at bus services at the outer edges of both Melbourne and a marginal electorate might be seen as a good use of taxpayer funds.

Lest this be seen as an anti-Labor comment, both parties are equally guilty (see the other thread about the Liberal long distance Vlocity promise). And lest this be seen as wanting to deprive the people of Wallan from a decent bus service, I have relatives who live there who will likely benefit.
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Re: Victorian Timetable & Route Changes 2018

Postby PaxInfo » Fri Apr 13, 2018 6:49 am

Release from local MP on Craigieburn and Mandalay bus services http://www.rosspence.com.au/media-relea ... n-suburbs/

Note mention of route number for Mandalay

MEDIA RELEASE
BETTER BUS SERVICES FOR GROWING NORTHERN SUBURBS
APRIL 5, 2018
The Andrews Labor Government is improving bus services for passengers in Melbourne’s outer north, by upgrading a range of services in the Craigieburn area and adding a new route to Mandalay from Craigieburn Station.

Member for Yuroke Ros Spence today announced the route improvements, which will cater for the growing area and give passengers better access to trains.

Extra morning peak services are being added to Route 529 buses between Craigieburn Station and Craigieburn North, which will reduce crowding on this popular route and give passengers more travel options.

Residents and workers in Craigieburn will gain a new a connection to Craigieburn Station, with Route 528 services extended to run from Craigieburn South to Craigieburn Central via Elevation Boulevard.

Passengers using Route 531, 532, 533, 537 and 544 services will also benefit from updated timetables which better reflect journey times and improve connections to trains.

Residents at the brand new Mandalay development will get their first bus route when Route 511 services begin on 18 June, taking them from the new estate to Craigieburn Station.

It means locals in the growing area can leave the car at home and use the new service to get to work or school by connecting with Craigieburn line trains.

Full details will be available at ptv.com.au one month before services begin, with all changes starting in mid-2018.

Quotes attributable to Member for Yuroke Ros Spence:

“Melbourne’s outer north is growing and we’re making sure our public transport services keep pace with that.”

“The community asked for more buses, more often and that’s exactly what we’re delivering.”

Media contact: Ryan Moore | 9305 7177 | ryan.moore@parliament.vic.gov.au
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Re: Victorian Timetable & Route Changes 2018

Postby burrumbus » Fri Apr 13, 2018 8:35 pm

Excellent changes for Craigieburn.The 529 is the busiest service in the Craigieburn network and from observations has required an increase in peak and off peak frequency for around 18 months.
The extension of 528 to Craigieburn Central is a sensible move serving the new estates there.It will be interesting to see how this extension is worked.Currently 528 and 544 are through routed at Craigieburn.Will that require an existing bus on the 528/544 service,or do they break the through route and operate it separately with 2 buses on each service?.
Also interesting to see which operator gets the gig for the 511.
Kastoria have just taken delivery of 2 new Volvo B8RLE track buses.So probably for the new services on 528/529.
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Re: Victorian Timetable & Route Changes 2018

Postby neilrex » Thu Apr 19, 2018 6:53 pm

The problem isn't so much taking the bus [ and/or train ] to get to work or school, the problem is more whether you will get home again.
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Re: Victorian Timetable & Route Changes 2018

Postby Craig » Thu Apr 19, 2018 10:21 pm

Details announced regarding updated timetables for Ventura Routes 631, 703 & 767 from 20 May. In particular:

Route 703
* Upgraded to 30 mins Sundays matching other SmartBus runs but still span issues (e.g. first bus on Sundays ex Blackburn is just before 9am, no late night Saturday trips)

Route 767
* 2014 interpeak cuts reversed (from 40 mins back to half-hourly)
* 20 min peak headway expanded to shoulders with several trips extended to operate full route
* Historic Moorabbin East peak deviation dating from Southland B.S. era gone

Benefits marginal Bentleigh electorate among others

PTV wrote:Bus improvements for Melbourne's eastern and south-eastern suburbs

We’re improving the bus timetables for bus routes 767, 701 and 631 to respond to increased traffic, make better connections to other public transport and to improve the punctuality and reliability of services.

Six additional services will be added to Route 767 Box Hill to Southland between the morning and afternoon peaks. The service frequency will increase to every 30 minutes, rather than every 40 minutes, and eleven services will be extended to run the full length of the route.

Weekend improvements will enable passengers to start the day earlier on Sundays, with the first service running an hour earlier at 8am, which adds two extra services to the Sunday timetable. There are also improvements on Saturdays with two services being extended to run the full route.

The bus will no longer travel down Keys Road in Moorabbin when travelling from Southland to Box Hill.

On Route 703 Box Hill to Blackburn via Monash University Clayton, nineteen additional services will be added on Sundays, with the bus running every 30 minutes rather than every 50 minutes.

The revised timetable for Route 631 Southland to Waverley Gardens will improve reliability as well as provide better connection to train services at Clayton Train Station.


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Re: Victorian Timetable & Route Changes 2018

Postby Craig » Thu Apr 19, 2018 10:25 pm

Tram timetable upgrades next month:

PTV wrote:New tram timetable announced

From Sunday 20 May, 13 tram routes will have more services and new timetables:

  • Route 58 will have more services on weekends. There will also be more low-floor trams during the day on weekdays
  • Route 86 will have more services on Sundays and be synchronised with Route 96 to create a regular service along Bourke Street
  • Routes 1, 3, 5, 6, 16, 57, 58, 59, 64, 67, 72, will get more services in the times surrounding peak periods to provide more travel options during Metro Tunnel works along St Kilda Road and in Parkville
  • Routes 1, 6, 19, 57, 58 and 59 will get more services on weekday evenings to reduce crowding and provide more travel options for passengers in the north-west


Victorian Government wrote:More Services For The World’s Most Popular Tram Corridor

Minister for Public Transport
18 April 2018

Transport
Media Release

St Kilda Road users will have more travel options and greater flexibility during Metro Tunnel works thanks to more off-peak tram services.

With the new tram alignment now complete, the extra St Kilda Road services will be introduced on 20 May as part of the annual tram timetable change.

To enable construction of the new Anzac station, parts of St Kilda Road have been reduced to one lane in both directions between Kings Way and Dorcas Street for up to four years.

Trams continue to operate along St Kilda Road as normal during the works, with existing services now being boosted by more trams on weekdays in the off-peak.

Extra weekday services will be added on Routes 1, 3, 5, 6, 16, 64, 67 and 72, which all run along St Kilda Road.

Route 58, which intersects with St Kilda Road at Domain Interchange, will also increase to a turn-up-and-go frequency on weekends, meaning trams every 10 minutes between 10:00am and 7:00pm across the weekend.

Extra weekday off-peak services are also being added to Routes 19, 57, 58 and 59 as part of the wider timetable update.

Route 86 between Docklands and the RMIT campus in Bundoora will also improve to turn-up-and-go frequency on Sundays.

The extra services in the new timetable are creating 31 new tram driver jobs, with recruitment and training already completed.

The additional services will start 20 May with new timetables available at ptv.vic.gov.au from 19 April.

Quotes attributable to Minister for Public Transport Jacinta Allan

“Melbourne’s iconic tram network is already the biggest in the world and we’re making it even better.”

“By adding extra services on the most popular tram corridor in the world along St Kilda Road, we’re giving people more options.”

“At the same time we’re getting on with building the new Anzac station and as part of the Metro Tunnel project to deliver the frequent, reliable, turn-up-and-go transport system passengers need.”


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Re: Victorian Timetable & Route Changes 2018

Postby Craig » Thu Apr 19, 2018 10:35 pm

PTV wrote:Extra coaches between Shepparton and Seymour

From 20 May 2018, there will be five new coach services between Shepparton and Seymour each weekday, plus three more services on Saturdays and an additional service on Sundays. The coaches will stop at Shepparton, Mooroopna, Murchison, Nagambie and Seymour and be coordinated with train services. An additional stop in Nagambie town centre will be trialled until early 2019.

The weekend morning coach service will depart at 8:10am, as this was the preferred time for most of the community members who provided feedback during consultation. More information about the consultation is available on Transport for Victoria's website.


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Re: Victorian Timetable & Route Changes 2018

Postby BroadGauge » Thu Apr 19, 2018 11:18 pm

PTV wrote:The weekend morning coach service will depart at 8:10am, as this was the preferred time for most of the community members who provided feedback during consultation.

Sometimes these "consultations" lead to a worse result than would have happened otherwise.

The new timetable has a train departing at 7:16am, followed by a coach 54 minutes later at 8:10am, then nothing at all until the 12:36pm train service.

Of course they probably reached that conclusion after asking people a question like "what time would you prefer to catch a coach at?", which they will answer with what time of day that they would be most likely to travel at, without drawing the connection that there is already a train service around that time of day.

If the public were asked a question like "what time would you like a coach to run at between the 7:36am and 12:36pm trains", it's highly unlikely that they would answer "less than an hour after the early morning train". Most people would probably like a service halfway between the two, say at 09:30 or 10:00 for people who don't need to reach the city before midday.
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Re: Victorian Timetable & Route Changes 2018

Postby Matty G » Wed Jul 25, 2018 6:48 pm

Hello,

Effective August 26, 2018, new bus timetables will be introduced on a number of Dysons routes, owing to South Morang railway line extending to MERNDA!

*381 Diamond Creek Station to South Morang Station via Doreen will terminate to Mernda Station (instead of South Morang)
*382 Whittlesea to Northland SC via South Morang Station will connect to Mernda Station
*383 Palisades to University Hill will connect to Middle Gorge Station
*384 Kinglake to Whittlesea via Humevale will have a new timetable with an additional trip to Kinglake after 5pm weekdays
*385 Whittlesea/Mernda North to Greensborough will continue to have Greensborough Station as its main connection, and also go to Mernda Station
*386 Mernda North to Bundoora RMIT via Cravens Rd and South Morang will travel along Galloway Drive to Mernda Village Shopping Centre, then run via Mernda Village Drive and Plenty Road to Mernda Station
*387 Mernda North to Bundoora RMIT via Hawkstowe Pde and South Morang will be re-routed to connect to trains at Mernda Station.

Two new loop bus services will be introduced and travel around Mernda and Doreen, linking Laurimar Town Centre, Mernda Village Shopping Centre and Mernda Station. These will be known as:
*Route 388- and will run anti-clockwise, seven days a week and
*Route 389 will run clockwise and only on weekdays only.

Updated timetables are also being introduced for ALL ex Reservoir Bus Company and East West (301, 561 and 570) routes, as well as Routes: 356, 357, 358, 513, 517, 518, 546, 566 and 567. These timetables can be viewed on the PTV website now.... however all services in the 380 grouping of routes will be available for viewing from tomorrow (26th July, 2018).

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Re: Victorian Timetable & Route Changes 2018

Postby DJ737 » Wed Jul 25, 2018 7:03 pm

Also from 26 August route 541 Broadmeadows-Kolbe College will only go via the college during school start/finish times and extended to Mt Ridley Road via Aitken Blvd, Craigieburn Central SC and Highlands SC, 20 min frequency all day.
Visitors beware : Clapham Junction is nowhere near Clapham it's in Battersea.
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Re: Victorian Timetable & Route Changes 2018

Postby crakening » Wed Jul 25, 2018 9:40 pm

Quick glance at the timetables for 26/8.

Not a huge difference in peak on the Mernda line - however a fair few additional shoulder peak services. Poor weekend (esp 40 mins Sunday morning) and off-peak frequencies remain, which is not great given how Sydney has managed to take steps in the right direction, and shows that PTV and State Gov't really don't have any idea. All peak direction services stopping all stations. There hasn't been much of a change in frequency at the height of peak (still about 7-8 mins), will be interesting to see how the line copes given extremely heavy loads currently. The number of limited express services has been cut - with only Hurstbridge express services retaining the Clifton Hill-Jolimont section. Run-times have also been standardised a bit, with shorter waits at Rushall, and the Clifton Hill-Jolimont express taking the same time as stoppers, so as a load balancing measure, passengers at the intermediate stops will cram onto the even more overcrowded Mernda services?

A couple of additional evening services for Newport, and the very small but well publicised 10 min service to 10pm on weekdays to Dandenong somehow manages to fall short - it's only to about 9:30pm from Flinders St.

A quick look at the buses show nothing too significant, but the 388/389 loop services do have a consistent 20 min frequency, better than the 20-30 that was listed during the consultation.

All in all, a really small improvement, and probably not even keeping pace with growth (especially with Mernda). A lot of talk about turn-up-and-go service, yet they've added about an extra hour for Dandenong on weekdays, and Hurstbridge and Mernda are still infrequent, despite spending a huge sum on infrastructure and other upgrades. The PTV Rail Plan service plans are now a distant dream, and the 20 min frequencies projected in the Metro Tunnel 1 business case now look sadly realistic.
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Re: Victorian Timetable & Route Changes 2018

Postby Heihachi_73 » Thu Jul 26, 2018 6:21 am

Matty G wrote:*Route 389 will run clockwise and only on weekdays only.

Why is it only running Monday to Friday unlike the 388? To make sure people have to go the long way at least once per trip? This is the number one reason why Melbourne's buses are so far behind in PT usage because of half-asred decisions like that.
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Re: Victorian Timetable & Route Changes 2018

Postby notch » Sun Jul 29, 2018 8:31 pm

crakening wrote:Quick glance at the timetables for 26/8.

Not a huge difference in peak on the Mernda line - however a fair few additional shoulder peak services. Poor weekend (esp 40 mins Sunday morning) and off-peak frequencies remain, which is not great given how Sydney has managed to take steps in the right direction, and shows that PTV and State Gov't really don't have any idea.
Please, crakening, elaborate for us with your mighty wisdom on how they could have dramatically increased AM/PM peaks and off-peaks with the numbers of sidings, drivers, and train sets we have. Bear in mind there are a grand total of four new sidings at Mernda.

I'll wait.

crakening wrote:All peak direction services stopping all stations.
Not much that can be done due to expresses catching stoppers and the number of level crossings.

crakening wrote:There hasn't been much of a change in frequency at the height of peak (still about 7-8 mins), will be interesting to see how the line copes given extremely heavy loads currently.
Unless/until you change or significantly upgrade the headways between Clifton Hill and Flinders St, and increase capacity at Flinders St, that's not going to change dramatically.

crakening wrote:The number of limited express services has been cut - with only Hurstbridge express services retaining the Clifton Hill-Jolimont section. Run-times have also been standardised a bit, with shorter waits at Rushall, and the Clifton Hill-Jolimont express taking the same time as stoppers, so as a load balancing measure, passengers at the intermediate stops will cram onto the even more overcrowded Mernda services?
In other words the Timetables area worked out not to timetable clashes. Usually takes a few years for them to work that out. To be honest, the inner northern suburbs are abundantly supplied with public transport, so it's not like there aren't a fair few alternatives.

crakening wrote:A couple of additional evening services for Newport
Wonder whether there was a few through post PM peak Williamstowns that got the chop? The last five or so through down Williamstowns usually shunt off at Newport on the up.

crakening wrote:and the very small but well publicised 10 min service to 10pm on weekdays to Dandenong somehow manages to fall short - it's only to about 9:30pm from Flinders St.
No big loss. Post about 21:00 is usually just dead air anyways.

crakening wrote:All in all, a really small improvement, and probably not even keeping pace with growth (especially with Mernda). A lot of talk about turn-up-and-go service, yet they've added about an extra hour for Dandenong on weekdays, and Hurstbridge and Mernda are still infrequent, despite spending a huge sum on infrastructure and other upgrades. The PTV Rail Plan service plans are now a distant dream, and the 20 min frequencies projected in the Metro Tunnel 1 business case now look sadly realistic.
Let's be honest: turn-up-and-go is the nocturnal emissions of the PTUA, who seem to have this ability to expect money, trains and staff to grow on trees and usually don't venture beyond the inner suburbs.

Quite simply, the improvements are not capacity upgrades and never were - we simply don't have the will politically as you can't ribbon-cut signal headways or a siding capacity increaee, nor as it does not increase the rent-seeking profit margins for MTM or Keolis.
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