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High Capacity Metro Train tender awarded

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Re: Metro Train tender awarded

Postby Roderick Smith » Wed Jun 28, 2017 10:27 am

Just call it a train tender, but don't promote the spin term.


Melbourne’s high-capacity train builder has worked with North Korea’s Kim Jong Un.
Herald Sun May 21, 2017.
VICTORIA has hired dictator Kim Jong Un’s train builder to supply its advanced new $2 billion fleet.
The Changchun Railway Vehicles built rolling stock for the despised North Korean dictator’s Pyongyang metro and also for the Tehran metro in Iran.
The Chinese-state owned company will build the shells of 65 new trains in Beijing, which will then be assembled in Victoria.
Public Transport Minister Jacinta Allan signed the contract — which was Victoria’s biggest ever order of trains — with the Evolution Rail Consortium led by Engineering firm EDI Downer in November last year.
But a parliamentary inquiry heard that EDI Downer has had a chequered history of delivering train projects in Australia — being fined for delivering one project over budget and late.
Liberal MP Tim Smith said at a parliamentary inquiry the Chanchung Railway Vehicles company had little experience building trains in Australia.
“Have they only built train for Tehran and Pyongyan,” Mr Smith said.
Victoria has hired dictator Kim Jong Un’s train builder to supply its advanced new $2 billion fleet. Picture: AP Photo/Vincent Yu Kew Liberal MP Tim Smith has questioned the Changchun Railway Vehicle Company’s ability to deliver Victoria’s new trains Ms Allan told the Public Accounts and Estimate Committee the train contractor would provide 60 per cent of the work done in Victoria and that Downer EDI was well known in Australian train manufacturing.
But Downer EDI built the trouble plagued $3.5 billion Waratah trains project for NSW government in 2011, which came in over budget and about 18 months late.
Liberal MP David Morris said the supplier seemed to have a “bad track record” delivering large-scale train infrastructure projects.
Ms Allan said the “Rolling Stock” division in the Transport Department would ensure local content and performance targets were being met throughout the life of the contract.
Ms Allan said the high-capacity project would create 1100 jobs, with trains rolling out each year from 2018 until the Melbourne Metro project’s completion in 2026.
She said since 2011 the NSW government had granted a contract to Downer EDI to build a further $1.7 billion worth of trains.
Public Transport minister Jacinta Allan is backing the Evolution Rail Consortium to build the $2 billion high-capacity train project Public Transport Victoria chief executive Jeroen Weimar said extensive reference checks were done with the NSW government and independent engineering firms advice “The Changchun Railway Vehicles Company is the world’s largest train manufacturer. They have built successful projects across the US, Europe and Australia,” Mr Weimar said.
He said the company would only receive funds from the government if the trains met quality standards.
The high-capacity trains will be 20 per cent longer than the existing fleet and run through the to be completed metro tunnel on the Cranbourne-Pakenham line.
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Re: High Capacity Metro Train tender awarded

Postby cal_t » Sat Sep 16, 2017 5:46 pm

Funny how they nearly copied my design from 2010....

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Re: Longer trains & platforms

Postby In Transit » Sun Sep 17, 2017 7:47 pm

Roderick Smith wrote:The doors issue is a myth, based on the idea that everybody climbs out at every station, and is replaced with a new load: not so. Australian systems are mainly tidal flow.


No, the door issue is not predicated on that at all. Dwell time is also affected by people fighting their way through a crowded carriage to reach a door to alight, and because of this the natural reluctance of people to move far from the doors, resulting in a loss of capacity and delays when passengers are trying to squeeze in whilst boarding. Try looking at a Sydney DD sometime, and marvel at all that empty aisle space in the upstairs/downstairs sections on even the most crowded of services.

I believe both DD and single deck trains (and buses) have their place... neither is the best solution for every circumstance. However those who fanatically adopt one position or the other, and have this religious fervour about it.. that I find difficult to understand.
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Re: High Capacity Metro Train tender awarded

Postby Roderick Smith » Tue Oct 10, 2017 2:44 pm


Inside Melbourne’s new trains. October 6, 2017.
Last week we took a look at the mock-up of Melbourne’s new train design, to give feedback to the project team.
The mock-up is one and a half carriages, designed to show stakeholder groups the layout, including the inter-carriage connections.
The platform alongside the mock-up has different heights, to simulate actual conditions around Melbourne’s rail network. This model of train will initially run between Sunbury and Cranbourne/Pakenham, but eventually will run on other lines too. (We think the front destination sign is very clear, but not so readable from an angle as the train approaches the platform.)
Ramps are also in use for testing with accessibility groups. They are testing different highlights around the doorways to assist people with vision difficulties.
A “gap filler” is being tested, attached to the doorway of the train. We’re a bit concerned that this is rubbery, and may move under-foot – it’s also incompatible with similar devices on some station platforms. The external passenger assistance button is also only a test, and may not be on the final trains built.
Inside, there is open space near the ends of the carriages, providing allocated spots for wheelchairs. Happily, the hand straps in the standing areas are soft, and don’t squeak like on the Siemens trains.
The middle sections of the carriages have a lot more seats. The total number of seats in the 7-car train will be about the same as the trains in the current fleet. The mock-up has more places to hold (rails and hand straps) on than on the Comeng and Siemens train, but we think there could be even more provided.
Above each doorway is a “Passenger Information Display” screen showing the next station and other information. They’re trying out different designs, including colour, and white on black (which isn’t as “pretty”, but is much more readable).
The inside walls have a “dynamic route map” showing the route the train is taking, and its current location. Of course these will have to be more reliable than the current fleet.
A display on the outside of the train also shows the destination. This is more readable than similar displays on the X’Trapolis trains.
Overall the mock-up looks pretty good to us, but we’ve provided some feedback on areas where we hope to see improvements in the design, as have other groups.
Anything you see here may have changed by the time the real trains start service.
Here are some more details of the mock-up, provided by the government:
The High Capacity Metro Trains Project is currently two weeks into the final train design consultation phase, which has been running all year.
14 accessibility groups, 3 passenger groups and technical experts are all now evaluating the mock-up train.
The High Capacity Metro Trains Project ran a passenger simulation exercise a few days ago, where almost 100 members of the public were brought in to experience the mock-up.
On 3 October, Guide Dogs Victoria were evaluating the mock-up – including their suggested change for more flip down priority seating as guide dogs are trained to sit beneath their owner’s seats.
Passengers, accessibility and transport user groups have already provided feedback on features such as the doors, seats, lighting, electronic signage, straps, and handrails.
More than 600,000 Australians currently use mobility aids and the design of the High Capacity Metro Trains has factored in their need for more space for mobility devices, including scooters and wheelchairs.
The final number of seats is yet to be determined and will be decided once the extensive stakeholder consultation that is underway concludes – however, the new trains will have more seats than the current fleets, which have between 420 to 432.
The feedback from stakeholder groups will be consolidated at the end of this evaluation phase, with the train design to then be finalised over coming months.
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