Melbourne Metropolitan bus franchises (ANNOUNCED)

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Transdev crowing about its win on its website:

http://www.transdev.net/en/media/press- ... etwork.htm
Transdev selected as preferred bidder to operate Melbourne, Australia, bus network
Transdev has been chosen as preferred bidder by Victoria Public Transport, the State of Victoria's public authority, to operate 30% of Melbourne, Australia's bus network, beginning August 1, 2013.

The seven-year 950 million euro contract, which could rise to 1.41 billion euros through a possible three-year extension, covers operations for 30% of Melbourne's bus network.

Transdev will manage 50 lines, 1,000 employees and 500 vehicles in the western and eastern areas of the city.

Transdev will offer travelers additional services including new Sunday service on some lines, simplification of the current network and extended operating hours on weekdays and weekends.

Transdev, present in Australia / New Zealand for 15 years and the continent's third largest urban bus operator, has grown more than 25% in the last two years with contract wins in Sydney, Perth and Auckland.

Transport modes currently managed by the Group include bus networks in Sydney, Brisbane, and Perth, commuter trains in Auckland, ferries in Brisbane and Sydney and monorail and tram services in Sydney. It also provides transport for employees of industrial clients through its Vivo Connect brand. Transdev transports approximately 86 million passengers annually in Australia with a fleet of 1,300 vehicles, managed by more than 3,600 employees.

The Melbourne contract makes Transdev Australia's and Australasia's leading private bus operator, with over 4,700 employees and revenues of about 600 million Australian dollars, or nearly 475 million euros.

The contract follows other recent wins including contract renewal for the Grenoble network (April 22, 2013) and the Shenyang, China, network won jointly with RATP Dev (April 24, 2013). Grenoble, operated by Transdev since 1975, and Shenyang, China's first modern tramway, demonstrate the soundness of the strategic choices made by Transdev's new leadership team.

“Grenoble, Shenyang and now Melbourne! The wins in recent days demonstrate that local officials in France and abroad recognize Transdev's expertise. These successes reflect our employees' commitment and expertise, reward the efforts of all and reaffirm Transdev's position as a leader in public transport in France and around the world.”

Jean-Marc JanaillacTransdev Chairman and CEO
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They could have got the PTV's name right at least....
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howlerbus wrote:They could have got the PTV's name right at least....
Meh.

As long as they get their 950 million euro....

That's well over $1 billion of OUR (Victorians) money, by the way. Good one, Victorian Government..
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Extended hours on weekdays? The first bus on the 901 is about 4.34 from the airport and the last one finishes at the airport about 1.10am. Extended hours may mean a 24 hour service. In all honesty it's a waste of resources and money as most buses after 9pm are empty.
Meanwhile other bus routes continue to go down the drain.
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Peter1805 wrote:
howlerbus wrote:They could have got the PTV's name right at least....
Meh.

As long as they get their 950 million euro....

That's well over $1 billion of OUR (Victorians) money, by the way. Good one, Victorian Government..
They sure don't like being loyal to our hard working Victorian companies don't they, Mr Napthine was saying that his government would make a big effort in using Victorian suppliers for as many Victorian contracts as possible.

This government are clearly full of baloney and we should tell them that on Election day next year.
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huyie wrote:
northbritish wrote: So no depot sales from other companies then?
No confirmed depot sales yet, just purely speculation given that some of other private operators may have depots surplus to their current needs.
In other words you did not know anything of substance. It is best to be sure of your facts before putting something into the public arena.
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northbritish wrote: In other words you did not know anything of substance. It is best to be sure of your facts before putting something into the public arena.
I clearly stated I was using examples, since the only certainty is that depots must be created before the 4th year of the contract. It has previously been suggested that Ventura Keysborough/Braeside may be for sale, but clearly that depends on the management at Ventura.
The only sales are the Footscray and Sandringham depot valued between $15-$20 million, and North Fitzroy and Doncaster, currently on minimal leases, and must be purchased from the government/PTV as part of this new contract.
huyie wrote: Hopefully the new owners don't delay purchasing existing depots (e.g. Victorian Touring Coaches in Moorabbin, Ventura Braeside if for sale, previous Eastrans depot in Oakleigh, Reservoir if Dyson decides its surplus to its needs) and cooperate with existing companies so that the transition is made easier.
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dex wrote:Extended hours on weekdays? The first bus on the 901 is about 4.34 from the airport and the last one finishes at the airport about 1.10am. Extended hours may mean a 24 hour service. In all honesty it's a waste of resources and money as most buses after 9pm are empty.
Meanwhile other bus routes continue to go down the drain.
I think you'll find that the extended hours was in reference to local National or MBL routes - some of which still finish by 7pm on weekdays (eg 270, 273, 280/282, 281, 284, 285, 295, 922/923).

Very few of National's local routes in conform to minimum standards on weekends either - they missed out in preference to the introduction of the orbital & DART routes in Manningham.

Having said that, would be nice if the Sunday finish time for DART & orbital routes was extended from 9pm to midnight.

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Craig wrote:I think you'll find that the extended hours was in reference to local National or MBL routes - some of which still finish by 7pm on weekdays (eg 270, 273, 280/282, 281, 284, 285, 295, 922/923).

Very few of National's local routes in conform to minimum standards on weekends either - they missed out in preference to the introduction of the orbital & DART routes in Manningham.

Having said that, would be nice if the Sunday finish time for DART & orbital routes was extended from 9pm to midnight.
Will be interesting to see how they bring in extended times within the terms of the tender, without shutting down routes - they will need to think carefully about how they can rationalise and re-organise without reducing service levels.

Presumably before they could make claims to increasing services, on Sundays or otherwise, they would have to have done feasibility studies, etc. Is there any evidence that they have done so? One would think that any such proposals ought to have formed part of their tender bid.
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Peter1805 wrote:Will be interesting to see how they bring in extended times within the terms of the tender, without shutting down routes - they will need to think carefully about how they can rationalise and re-organise without reducing service levels.
If they are shutting down low patronage routes/sections, and getting rid of duplication, I can't see an issue with that. It means you can make upgrades where needed for little cost. As for reducing service levels, well there is also some routes/sections where the level of service provided isn't not need, and could be cut, while still meeting demands.

Better to use resources effectively, than being ineffective and having unnecessary duplication and low pateroange sections, that are not really need, and then as result being unable to make upgrades where needed, without asking for large amounts of funding.
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Peter1805 wrote:
Presumably before they could make claims to increasing services, on Sundays or otherwise, they would have to have done feasibility studies, etc. Is there any evidence that they have done so? One would think that any such proposals ought to have formed part of their tender bid.
I thought that was one of the tender conditions to which also those who submitted tenders had to agree. Of course the successful tenderer would make a big thing of the fact that they would do this.
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Agreed to both of the above posts, but we have heard nothing specific about what they are supposedly going to do, which means it is probably all still in the pipeline, or perhaps even yet to enter the pipeline.

Let's see if they live up to their big statements, when push comes to shove.
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Admin: Moved from Ventura thread.

Hi folks, not entirely confident with the forum yet,
But does anyone know what will happen to Eastcoast, when and if this Transdev thing kicks in??
Especially at Nth Fitz and Doncaster depots??
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Eastcoast is owned by Ventura-so more than likely no change.
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No change because as of a few month all work shops bar Knoxfield are named Ventura
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It is not possible to say that Eastcoast will not be directly affected, because obviously unless they are able to come to a suitable arrangement with Transdev, they will have far fewer buses to look after, so you would think it is highly likely that their business will be affected.

Exactly how, and to what extent, remains to be seen.
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According to a source at Fitzroy Nth, the workshop and staff will remain, but the actual Eastcoast company will no longer remain. But, as I've read in this forum, we shall see.
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The Eastcoast name already stopped existing at Fitzroy, obviously any workshop staff at Fitzroy and Doncaster will be offered positions to remain there, Transdev will need them. The workshop staff that have the uncertain future are the ones at other depots, especially Oakleigh, Dandenong and any other depot that maintain a large number of Smartbuses, but also maintain local fleets that wont be affected by this new contract.
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Since when did the Eastcoast name cease to exist from Fitzroy?
Are u perhaps living in the future??
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Veolia-Transdev has announced that the official name it will use in operating the franchise is "Transdev Melbourne".
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The only branch at which Eastcoast exists Is Knoxfield all others are Ventura workshops
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B7RLE wrote:The only branch at which Eastcoast exists Is Knoxfield all others are Ventura workshops
Website refers to both Knox and Oakleigh South:

http://www.eastcoasttruckbus.com.au/index2.shtml
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That website has not been updated for a very long time, the two locations were the two workshops that did repair work for third parties as well.
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The East Coast website states that East Coast hold the maintainence contract for the Ventura group fleet, as from 1999.That would presumably not include the acquired Grenda group companies,unless a contract has been arranged since the purchase.Therefore all the Ventura/National workshops would be East Coast operations.Happy to be corrected on this.
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The East Coast website states that East Coast hold the maintainence contract for the Ventura group fleet, as from 1999...Spot on

That would presumably not include the acquired Grenda group companies,unless a contract has been arranged since the purchase........cant comment ;)

Therefore all the Ventura/National workshops would be East Coast operations.......at the moment the workshops and parts depts are still run with EC staff.......as B7RLE said technically now Knox is the only branch to be operating as EC as the other branches are run as Ventura.
All retail is mainly out of Knox now with the odd exceptions at Oak from time to time.

Thing will change as of the handover but as to what degree one can only speculate for now.



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