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Postby Roderick Smith » Wed Aug 30, 2017 9:45 pm

I travelled in one to Belgrave on Mon.28.8. The gossip is that some are rostered regularly with the 27.8 timetable change.

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W trams & asbestos

Postby Roderick Smith » Thu Sep 07, 2017 3:27 pm

Melbourne’s iconic W-Class trams grounded by asbestos fears.
Herald Sun September 6, 2017.
•Victorian company sued over asbestos death •’Concerning’ find shuts down centre works •Ratepayers slugged for asbestos blunder SOME of Melbourne’s W-Class trams have been garaged after asbestos was discovered in their flooring.
Testing of samples taken from three W-Class trams confirmed the presence of ­asbestos-­containing material.
Yarra Trams operates 13 W-Class trams in its fleet, built between 1923 and 1956.
It said the asbestos fibres were bound within the flooring material, which was covered and sealed.
The danger came to light during a routine inspection of the fleet, used on the popular City Circle tourist route.
Spokesman Simon Murphy said it was aware that some of its older assets contained, or could contain, asbestos-containing materials.
“Safety is our priority and we took immediate action to ensure the wellbeing of our employees,” he said.
“We have received expert advice that the material is considered low risk.”
The City Circle tram outside Flinders Street Station. Picture: Tourism Victoria/Sarah Nicholson Access to the three trams has been restricted as Yarra Trams works with expert advisers to manage the material.
A program is currently underway to refurbish W-Class trams, with five already completed and on the network.
None of the trams that have been refurbished contain asbestos material.
RTBU assistant secretary Phil Altieri said he was concerned to learn about the problem.
“It is concerning when you think that hundreds of people have been walking on this stuff every day,” he said.
“It only takes one tear to happen in the flooring and you have a potential exposure.”
Last February it was discovered that the cement sheeting used in flooring of four new electrical tram substations contained asbestos imported from China.
Three modular electrical substations were built in 2015 in East Brighton, the city, Thornbury and West Brunswick.
All had flooring that contained white asbestos, which was banned in Australia in 2003.
Testing found a very small risk of exposure to the deadly substance.
Breathing in asbestos fibres can cause asbestosis, lung cancer, and mesothelioma.
The risk of contracting these diseases increases with the number of fibres inhaled and the risk of lung cancer from inhaling asbestos fibres is also greater if you smoke.
The symptoms of these diseases do not usually appear until about 20 to 30 years after the first exposure.
www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/melb ... d782ad736a
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Re: Victorian Rail & Tram Observations 2017

Postby krustyklo » Sun Sep 17, 2017 10:38 pm

I sighted a Comeng set running the 17:21 up Eltham this afternoon. Didn't see the numbers with enough reliability to report them.
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Re: Victorian Rail & Tram Observations 2017

Postby krustyklo » Sat Sep 30, 2017 10:04 pm

Comeng set 439M - 440M, 607M - whatever it is connected to :) were running the 1.28pm up Greensborough today.
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Re: Victorian Rail & Tram Observations 2017

Postby Heihachi_73 » Fri Nov 03, 2017 6:54 pm

I was in 29M on a down Lilydale this morning (30M leading), the PIDs and next station announcements in this set are stuffed. The train announced about four stations all the way from the city to Ringwood, where it was still "arriving at Blackburn". I have now caught this set (29M-1315T-30M) three times and every time the PIDs have been faulty in both directions.

Speaking of PIDs, when are they going to make them actually work properly on X'Trapolis trains at the new stations? They almost always get stuck "arriving at Mitcham" on down services all the way to Ringwood, despite the station having been moved years ago. Down trains sometimes display Mitcham, but never show Heatherdale once then train stops there, which means that no down train ever advises people to change for Belgrave or Lilydale trains because it never detects Ringwood until it has stopped and the doors are released. On the up, Heatherdale and Mitcham seem to be within enough distance that the PIDs still operate properly. I have not yet been on a Comeng through either station to see whether they are any different.
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Re: Victorian Rail & Tram Observations 2017

Postby CAL » Sat Nov 04, 2017 8:27 pm

Heihachi_73 wrote:I was in 29M on a down Lilydale this morning (30M leading), the PIDs and next station announcements in this set are stuffed. The train announced about four stations all the way from the city to Ringwood, where it was still "arriving at Blackburn". I have now caught this set (29M-1315T-30M) three times and every time the PIDs have been faulty in both directions.

Speaking of PIDs, when are they going to make them actually work properly on X'Trapolis trains at the new stations? They almost always get stuck "arriving at Mitcham" on down services all the way to Ringwood, despite the station having been moved years ago. Down trains sometimes display Mitcham, but never show Heatherdale once then train stops there, which means that no down train ever advises people to change for Belgrave or Lilydale trains because it never detects Ringwood until it has stopped and the doors are released. On the up, Heatherdale and Mitcham seem to be within enough distance that the PIDs still operate properly. I have not yet been on a Comeng through either station to see whether they are any different.

Rosanna is another one. Station is closed for 6months and it still announces Arriving at Rosanna. No informations at Heidelberg or Macleod about changing to a bus.

On topic of on board pids etc,
The whole Metro on board system needs a massive overhaul. The original Connex Alstom Comengs had the best system in 2000 but it was butchered over the years. It was and we need something similar to on board annoucements in the UK. Approaching annoucements “We are now approaching Jolimont” then annoucement the station when doors open. Eg. ‘This is Jolimont. This is a Hurstbridge Line train to Eltham. The next station is Clifton Hill”. ‘LIMITED EXPRESS TO ELTHAM’ is useless and offers no onboard information to the passenger. At least the Comengs annouce Express runs. Though not single station skips.
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Re: Victorian Rail & Tram Observations 2017

Postby Heihachi_73 » Sun Nov 05, 2017 3:56 pm

The problem I see is that there are three completely different PID software designs, all of which are incompatible with each other. Coincidentally they also happen to be installed in three different train types. The UK style announcements are still partly intact in the Siemens trains, which of course don't run on the Clifton Hill and Burnley groups because even the thought of system-wide operation of three train types is beyond Metro's capabilities.

The problem with temporarily-closed stations is that the runs probably can't be modified by the driver to leave out a station on a normal service e.g. there is no such thing as an "all stations except Rosanna" service in the computers, the driver simply puts in the run number and the computer does the work since the runs are programmed with each stopping pattern - on a Jolimont to Clifton Hill express, the computer wouldn't even recognise West Richmond etc. even if the train was to accidentally stop at those stations.
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Re: Victorian Rail & Tram Observations 2017

Postby Craig » Tue Nov 07, 2017 9:27 pm

For shutdowns or station closures over more than a couple a weeks, a fair question is why they can't be bothered installing a new file as required - they did so during the Laburnum shutdown over 10 years ago, there were some Ashburton expresses or something similar in the early part of the AM peak, with correct announcements programmed in onboard.

Once the express trains resumed on the Frankston Line last year after the third track reopened, some trains weren't updated, and we'd get to hear the station announcements for the stations we would be skipping for sometime. Who knows how we'll go once Southland station opens...

The new PIDs fitted in the A, B & E class trams can be programmed or updated remotely, that is why its now common for destinations like "96 Batman Park / Walk around Work" or "75 Riversdale Junction / Bus around Work" to be displayed when needed. They also had special versions on White Night, but in the past even the Z1s had a Grand Prix Gate number versions of destinations in standard files, so this isn't too special.

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Re: Victorian Rail & Tram Observations 2017

Postby Heihachi_73 » Fri Nov 10, 2017 9:15 pm

It will be interesting to see how the new Citadis (C1) PIDs fare, I am yet to ride on one where the PIDs actually worked.
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