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Postby Tas Bus Nut » Thu Jul 02, 2015 10:37 am

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Re: Metro TAS (south) network review

Postby metro_tas » Thu Jul 02, 2015 7:24 pm

looks like they'll need more drivers
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Re: Metro TAS (south) network review

Postby Tas Bus Nut » Fri Jul 03, 2015 9:41 pm

59 routes down to 27 (or thereabouts) SHOULD mean LESS buses and drivers :shock:
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Re: Metro TAS (south) network review

Postby 743 » Fri Jul 03, 2015 9:55 pm

Not if the frequency is increased.
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Re: Metro TAS (south) network review

Postby Tas Bus Nut » Fri Jul 03, 2015 10:51 pm

743 wrote:Not if the frequency is increased.
Frequency would be similar to now. Cannot justify a bus every 15min through Chigwell or Sth Hobart.
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Re: Metro TAS (south) network review

Postby BusPlaneTrainTram » Sat Jul 04, 2015 6:58 am

I have listed the new route numbers in order here:

Southern Suburbs
407 Blackmans Bay via Kingston Beach and Outlet
408 Blackmans Bay via Maranoa Heights and Outlet
409 Blackmans Bay South [Suncoast Drive and Auburn Road]
Channel Services
411 Howden via Blackmans Bay
412 Margate
413 Snug
415 Woodbridge
416 Middleton
417 Gordon
418 Cygnet
Southern Suburbs
427 Blackmans Bay via Kingston Beach and Taroona
428 Blackmans Bay via Maranoa Heights and Taroona
429 Kingston, Huntingfield and Summerleas
437 Taroona
438 Lower Sandy Bay via Sandy Bay Road
439 Lower Sandy Bay via Churchill Avenue
439 University to City
446, 447 South Hobart via Cascades Road
448 Fern Tree via Huon Road
449 Fern Tree via Cascades Road
457, X57 Mt Nelson plus X57 via Tolmans Hill to Mt Nelson
Northern Suburbs
500 Blackmans Bay to Glenorchy via Outlet
501 Glenorchy - University
502 Glenorchy
503 Tolosa Park
504 Jackson St Glenorchy
510, X10 Abbotsfield, Austins Ferry
511, 512, X11 Chigwell, Claremont
513 Rosetta
520, 522, X20, X21 Bridgewater via Claremont
521, X21 Brighton - Glenorchy
530, X30 Bridgewater via Old Beach - Glenorchy
540 West Hobart and Mt Stuart
541 West New Town, Florence Heights
542, X42 West Moonah - Glenorchy Local
550, 551, X50 Lenah Valley and Glenorchy via Augusta Road
552 Lenah Valley via Girrabong Road
553 Lenah Valley via Pottery Road and Ruth Drive
560, 561 Goodwood, Lutana
562 Lutana, Moonah
Eastern Shore
601 Rosny Park and Shoreline to University via City
605 Shoreline Central to Glenorchy via Shoreline, Rosny Park and Newtown
606 Shoreline Central via Waverly St
614 Bellerive Bluff
615, 616, X15, X16 Camelot Park
616, X16 Howrah Heights
624, 625 Rokeby and Clarendon Vale
634, 635, X34 Lauderdale and Oakdowns
South Arm Services
644, X44 Opossum Bay via Rifle Range Road
645, X45 Clifton Beach and Cremorne
646 Opossum Bay via South Arm Road
Eastern Shore
654 Mornington Heights via Mornington
655 Mornington Heights via Warrane
664, 665, X64 Seven Mile Beach via Cambridge
676 Montagu Bay and Rosny Park
684 Geilston Bay via Lindisfarne to Rosny Park
685 Geilston Bay via Lindisfarne via Rose Bay
694 Glenorchy - Rosny Park via Risdon Vale
695 Risdon Vale via Rose Bay
696 Bridgewater to Rosny Park via Risdon Vale

All numbered Tassielink services are in the 7xx series.

Does this all suggest a bigger picture, thinking in an anticlockwise methodology:
100 series - East of the Tamar River, including Launceston through to the East Coast OR.....East Coast
200 series - West of the Tamar River, north of mountain areas OR.....Central North [Launceston and Devonport]
300 series - West Coast [Strahan Zeehan] OR.....North West [Burnie] and West Coast.

The Hobart changes are [to me] a very practical solution to a currently messy anddisconnected service. Certainly people will be upset that "their" bus is gone. Comments in the Mercury already say that there is insuffient details, such as tmetables for each route, so it is hard to make a valid comparison with true data. If a frequent/regular service is within walking distance, the choice may be better.

New Zealand is doing the same [which does not necessaruly make it better!!]. However, the results seem promising.

Christchurch Metro have revamped post earthquake as the travel patterns have changed. I sat in the city for a couple of hours near the new bus exchange [prior to the totally newly constructed one which just opened] and the frequency of the 4 high frequency main lines [Purple / Blue / Orange / Yellow] plus 5 supporting radial lines which infil between the coloured high frequency lines was a bus observers delight. As one or two passed, others came into view.

Dunedin has just launched its first revamped services, providing a 30 minute frequency to Mosgiel [using the motorway] with a Super Stop at Green Island for Brighton / Abbotsford local connections; and added late night [Friday and Saturday] & a new Sunday services for Abbotsford]. The only dissention has come from travellers wanting to go to the South Dunedin area where the old service travelled on local streets. The higher frequency is a trade off for the change to the connecting service.

The entire Auckland network is being revamped in the same way. Auckland Transport has a very good process of changes over a number of areas - the presentation of the plans, consultation, reworking, republication, and implementation. Three levels of service are offered: Frequent [15 minute frequency], Connector [30 minute frequency] and Local [60 minute frequency] plus peak period services.

A recent announcement of a new service in Algies Bay [part of the Hibiscus Coast changes] had concerns about buses along the waterfront amidst pedestrians and cars and general traffic problems. The researchers then contacted everyone who provided an Algies Bay address to determine their specific concerns and came up with an alternative to suit most people.

Another part of the changes is to extend the Northern Express high frequency [busway using] service from Albany onto Silverdale every 30 minutes. The current city service from Waiwera via Orewa continued on a local old highway through Dairy Flat [taking much longer than the newly planned Motorway service]. The revamped network determined that this service would cease during daytime hours [peak only service] as there was insufficient patronage. Following consultation, the service will remain at a 2 hourly frequency, so a compromise has been reached. The link is:

https://at.govt.nz/projects-roadworks/n ... t-network/

I will be following the progress of the Hobart [and maybe all of Tasmania changes] on this site and in the Mercury. Hopefully, Metro Tasmania provides meaningful consultation and will be able to vary its plans if worthwhile suggestions are offered.
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Re: Metro TAS (south) network review

Postby yoda » Sat Jul 04, 2015 12:04 pm

Tas Bus Nut wrote:
743 wrote:Not if the frequency is increased.
Frequency would be similar to now. Cannot justify a bus every 15min through Chigwell or Sth Hobart.


There will be frequency changes in some areas - some more, some less.
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Re: Metro TAS (south) network review

Postby burrumbus » Sat Jul 04, 2015 1:05 pm

Having just spent 4 days in fantastic Hobart ,and using and observing the Metro services,I can only agree the above proposals would be a very beneficial move .
The current network just has way too many variations with far too many route numbers which just makes for a very complicated system.The main corridors like Main Road,Sandy Bay Road and Eastlands have great frequencies,but the services are just too complicated for a visitor to understand quickly.
E.G.The South Hobart corridor and the Mount Nelson corridor both utilise 6 different route numbers on relatively low frequency services.
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Re: Metro TAS (south) network review

Postby 743 » Mon Dec 14, 2015 9:10 am

The new network will be in place from 10 January 2016. Details are here.

The graphic design of the timetables has also been overhauled, with timing points down the side of the page, and diagrammatic maps in use.
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Re: Metro TAS (south) network review

Postby BusPlaneTrainTram » Mon Dec 14, 2015 3:57 pm

A very comprehensive review and some major improvements.

The Bridgewater / Brighton / Gagebrook multi-route mess has settled down to a very simple design.
*Brighton services [521] terminate at Green Point Plaza to connect with the X20 [former X1] to the city.
*Night services are 522 via Bridgewater to Gagebrook [nothing to Brighton].

Weekend Seven Mile Beach services on route 635.

The list of services [some proposed route numbers since changed]:

Southern Suburbs
401 Hobart - University via Sandy Bay/York St, then SANDY BAY via Churchill Ave......FULL TIME
402 Hobart - University via Sandy Bay/York St, then SANDY BAY via Sandy Bay Rd..... FULL TIME
407 Blackmans Bay via Kingston Beach and Outlet.......................................... Mon-Sat Daytime
408 Blackmans Bay via Maranoa Heights and Outlet........................................ Mon-Sat Daytime
409 Blackmans Bay South [Suncoast Drive and Auburn Road].............................. Mon-Fri Peak hour
410 Kingston Central via Outlet ............................................................... Mon-Fri Daytime
Channel Services
411 Howden via Blackmans Bay .................................................................Mon-Fri Peak hour
412 Margate........................................................................................Mon-Fri Peak hour
413 Snug............................................................................................Mon-Sat Daytime
415 Woodbridge....................................................................................Mon-Sat Daytime
416 Middleton......................................................................................Mon-Fri Peak hour
417 Gordon.........................................................................................Mon-Fri Peak hour
418 Cygnet.........................................................................................Mon-Fri Peak hour
Southern Suburbs
426 Taroona via Sandy Bay Road............................................................... Mon-Sat Daytime
427 ...then Blackmans Bay via Kingston Beach...............................................NIGHT/SUNDAY
428 ...then Blackmans Bay via Maranoa Heights............................................. NIGHT/SUNDAY
429 ...OR Huntingfield and Summerleas.......................................................Mon-Sat Daytime
446 South Hobart [Marlyn Road] via Cascades Road..........................................Mon-Fri Daytime
447 South Hobart [Strickland Avenue] via Cascades Road....................................Mon-Fri Peak hour
448 Fern Tree via Huon Road [more direct]...................................................Mon-Fri Daytime
449 Fern Tree via Cascades Road and Strickland Avenue....................................NIGHT/WEEKEND
457 Mt Nelson.....................................................................................NIGHT/WEEKEND
458 Mt Nelson via Hobart College..............................................................Mon-Fri Daytime
X58 Tolmans Hill and Mt Nelson ................................................................Mon-Fri Peak hour
Northern Suburbs
500 Glenorchy to Blackmans Bay via Outlet..................................................Mon-Fri Peak hour
501 Glenorchy - University via REGENT STREET............................................. Mon-Fri peak & day
502 Glenorchy via Main Road.................................................................. EARLY / LATE Supplementary
503 Glenorchy, Tolosa Park.................................................................... FULL TIME
504 GLENORCHY - Jackson St [4 CITY trips]................................................ FULL TIME
510 / X10 Abbotsfield, Austins Ferry [Weekdays ONLY to Glenorchy...................... FULL TIME
511 / X11 Claremont Plaza via Berriedale and Chigwell..................................... FULL TIME [x Sat aft]
512 Claremont Cadbury via Berriedale and Chigwell [Weekdays ONLY to Glenorchy]..Mon-Sat Daytime
513 Chigwell via Marys Hope Road Rosetta................................................... Mon-Fri Daytime & Sat morn
520 Bridgewater via Claremont and Green Point Plaza......................................Mon - Fri Early/Late Daytime
X20 Bridgewater via Claremont, Green Point Plaza & Glenorchy.......................... Mon-Fri Daytime
521 Bridgewater [Green Point Plaza] - Brighton via Cove Hill Fair.........................Mon-Sat Daytime
X21 Brighton via Bridgewater & Green Point Plaza, & Brooker Hwy....................... Mon-Fri Peak hour
522 CITY - Glenorchy - Claremont - Bridgewater - Gagebrook.............................NIGHT and SUNDAY
530 / X30 GLENORCHY - Bridgewater via Gagebrook and Old Beach.......................Mon-Sat Daytime
540 Mt Stuart [Salier Crescent] via West Hobart............................................. FULL TIME
541 Springfield via West New Town, Florence Heights...................................... Mon-Fri Daytime
542 / X42 Springfield - Glenorchy via West Moonah Local [Peak CITY extension]........ Mon-Sat Daytime
550 / X50 Glenorchy via Lenah Valley, Augusta Road & Kalang Road..................... Mon-Fri Daytime
551 Lenah Valley via Augusta Road direct....................................................NIGHT/WEEKEND
552 Lenah Valley via Girrabong Road......................................................... Mon-Fri Peak hour
553 Lenah Valley via Pottery Road and Ruth Drive.......................................... Mon-Fri Daytime
560 Glenorchy via Brooker Hwy and Goodwood..............................................Mon-Fri Daytime
561 Glenorchy via Lutana and Goodwood.....................................................PEAK / WEEKEND
562 Springfield via Lutana, Moonah............................................................Mon-Fri Daytime
Eastern Shore
601 Shoreline to University via Rosny Park and VIA REGENT STREET......................Mon-Fri peak & day
605 Shoreline to Glenorchy via Rosny Park and New Town................................. Mon-Fri Peak hour
606 SHORELINE - Howrah [Waverley St] [Peak CITY extension]............................Mon-Fri peak & day
614 ROSNY PARK - Tranmere via Bellerive Bluff [Peak CITY extension]...................Mon-Fri Daytime
615 / X15 Tranmere via Tranmere Road [EXP via South Arm & Tasman Hwy].............Mon-Fri Daytime, Nights/Weekends INBOUND
616 / X16 Tranmere via Howrah Heights / Oceania Drive [EXP via South Arm & Tasman Hwy]..Mon-Fri Daytime, Nights/Weekends OUTBOUND
624 Clarendon Vale via Goodwins Road....................................................... FULL TIME
625 Clarendon Vale via Rokeby................................................................ FULL TIME
634 / X34 Roches Beach via Oakdowns and Lauderdale......................................Mon-Sat Day & Nights
635 Seven Mile Beach via Lauderdale and Roches Beach.................................... AM Peak, Sat & Sun DAY only
South Arm Services
X44 Opossum Bay via Sandford & Rifle Range Road......................................... Mon-Fri Peak Hour
X45 Clifton Beach via Cremorne............................................................... Mon-Fri Peak Hour
646 ROSNY PARK - Opossum Bay via South Arm Road [Peak CITY extension].............Mon-Sat LIMITED [4 weekday trips / 2 Saturday trips]
Eastern Shore
654 Mornington Heights via Mornington....................................................... FULL TIME
655 Mornington Heights via Warrane.......................................................... FULL TIME
664 / X64 Seven Mile Beach via Mornington, Cambridge and Estate Drive................. Mon-Fri Daytime
665 / X65 Seven Mile Beach via Mornington, Cambridge and Acton Park.................. Mon-Fri Daytime
676 ROSNY PARK - Montagu Bay [Peak CITY extension].................................... Mon-Fri peak & day
684 ROSNY PARK - Geilston Bay via Lindisfarne..............................................Daily Daytime
685 Geilston Bay via Lindisfarne and Rose Bay...............................................Mon-Fri Peak hour
694 Glenorchy - Rosny Park via Risdon Vale..................................................Daily Daytime
695 Risdon Vale via Rose Bay...................................................................FULL TIME
696 Bridgewater to Rosny Park via Risdon Vale.............................................. Mon-Fri Daytime
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Re: Metro TAS (south) network review

Postby yoda » Mon Dec 14, 2015 7:06 pm

BusPlaneTrainTram wrote: *Brighton services [521] terminate at Green Point Plaza to connect with the X20 [former X1] to the city.


Some services, not all.
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Re: Metro TAS (south) network review

Postby BusPlaneTrainTram » Mon Dec 14, 2015 7:43 pm

yoda wrote:
BusPlaneTrainTram wrote: *Brighton services [521] terminate at Green Point Plaza to connect with the X20 [former X1] to the city.


Some services, not all.


From my reading, one early am starts at Glenorchy to Brighton, and the X21 makes through trips to and from the City in the peak hours. The rest are 521 services as suggested above.
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Re: Metro TAS (south) network review

Postby 743 » Mon Dec 14, 2015 8:45 pm

BusPlaneTrainTram wrote:From my reading, one early am starts at Glenorchy to Brighton, and the X21 makes through trips to and from the City in the peak hours. The rest are 521 services as suggested above.

Check again - there are two services *from* Glenorchy, and one *to* Glenorchy.

Your route list also needs some corrections, e.g. 615/616 operating days are incorrect.
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Re: Metro TAS (south) network review

Postby BusPlaneTrainTram » Tue Dec 15, 2015 2:55 am

743 wrote:
BusPlaneTrainTram wrote:From my reading, one early am starts at Glenorchy to Brighton, and the X21 makes through trips to and from the City in the peak hours. The rest are 521 services as suggested above.

Check again - there are two services *from* Glenorchy, and one *to* Glenorchy.

Your route list also needs some corrections, e.g. 615/616 operating days are incorrect.


Thanks 743, I did find them - appreciate the pick up.

615/616 corrected - good pick up; I had noted this in an excel spreadsheet extra column and failed to copy into the list.
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