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September 2019 timetable changes

Postby Fleet Lists » Sat Aug 24, 2019 12:58 pm

https://transportnsw.info/news/2019/min ... r#homepage
Minor timetable changes in September
Saturday 24 August 2019

From Saturday 7 September there will be minor route, platform and timing changes across some Train routes. On Sunday 8 September three late night bus routes on Friday and Saturday nights will be withdrawn due to low patronage.

There will also be more Regional train services for Bathurst from Monday 16 September and Griffith from Wednesday 18 September.


Sydney and Intercity trains

Minor route, platform and timing changes to current timetables at Central Station
Some T8 Airport & South Line and T2 Inner West & Leppington services to and from the city will depart earlier
T1 North Shore Line
The weekday service departing Central and ending at Gordon at 8.26am will now continue to Hornsby, stopping at all stations
T5 Cumberland Line
The 8.10am and 9.10am weekend services to Leppington will leave three minutes earlier
T9 Northern Line
The 7.16am weekend service to Hornsby will depart one minute earlier
Central Coast & Newcastle Line
The weekday 4.26am Newcastle to Sydney service will depart 3 minutes earlier
Blue Mountains Line
Springwood to City services departing at 9.22am and 5.28pm will depart 2 minutes earlier respectively
Southern Highlands Line
Some services will depart up to 10 minutes earlier
Hunter Line
Trains travelling to Newcastle Interchange on weekdays between 6am and 7am will leave two minutes earlier

Regional Trains

One additional Bathurst service 7 days per week from Monday 16 September
One additional Griffith mid-week service from Wednesday 18 September. This service will depart Central Station, Sydney on Wednesdays at 12.01pm arriving at Griffith at 8.33pm. Then returning on Thursday, departing from Griffith Station at 7.25am and arriving at Central Station at 4.03pm.
Improved journey times on Southern Regional services

Bus
Route 829 - Parramatta to North Parramatta shuttle
Withdrawl of services on Friday and Saturday nights between midnight and 3am
Route M91 - Parramatta to Chester Hill
Withdrawal of existing services from 11pm onwards on Friday and Saturday
Route 94N - Wollongong to Thirroul
Cancellation of overnight services
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Re: September 2019 timetable changes

Postby Fleet Lists » Sat Aug 24, 2019 1:03 pm

That is the end of routes 829 and 94N.
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Re: September 2019 timetable changes

Postby Fleet Lists » Sat Aug 24, 2019 1:13 pm

New 7 September 2019 timetables on Transport Info for all Sydney and Intercity train routes except Blue Mountains which will probably wait for the 2nd Bathurst Bullet a week or so later.
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Re: September 2019 timetable changes

Postby kypros1992 » Sat Aug 24, 2019 1:55 pm

Fleet Lists wrote:That is the end of routes 829 and 94N.


Both routes were introduced in late-2010 as part of the Hassle Free Nights plan
https://web.archive.org/web/20110312212 ... System.pdf
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Re: September 2019 timetable changes

Postby swtt » Sat Aug 24, 2019 3:47 pm

August 2019 seems to be the one of the few months so far where there have been no bus changes :P
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Re: September 2019 timetable changes

Postby Xplorer » Sun Aug 25, 2019 2:53 pm

kypros1992 wrote:
Fleet Lists wrote:That is the end of routes 829 and 94N.


Both routes were introduced in late-2010 as part of the Hassle Free Nights plan
https://web.archive.org/web/20110312212 ... System.pdf


Incorrect, 94N was only introduced around March this year, renumbered from shortworkings of 1
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Re: September 2019 timetable changes

Postby Fleet Lists » Sun Aug 25, 2019 4:12 pm

Yes but the principle of it was introduced back in 2010.
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Re: September 2019 timetable changes

Postby CityRail » Mon Aug 26, 2019 3:21 pm

kypros1992 wrote:
Fleet Lists wrote:That is the end of routes 829 and 94N.


Both routes were introduced in late-2010 as part of the Hassle Free Nights plan
https://web.archive.org/web/20110312212 ... System.pdf


The Hassle Free Nights plan was introduced in 2010 as a response to lack of affordable public transport back then after late night parties and taxis fared passengers very unfairly.

Yet with the introduction of Uber and UberPools, late night public transport has become a lot more affordable and therefore late night buses have become redundant.

Perhaps all these short haul night buses are being beaten by Uber then.
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Re: September 2019 timetable changes

Postby moa999 » Mon Aug 26, 2019 8:22 pm

Advertising on 7 about a 7News piece on timetables changes Tue night.

I guess related to the above
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Re: September 2019 timetable changes

Postby Campbelltown busboy » Mon Aug 26, 2019 8:50 pm

CityRail wrote:The Hassle Free Nights plan was introduced in 2010 as a response to lack of affordable public transport back then after late night parties and taxis fared passengers very unfairly.

Yet with the introduction of Uber and UberPools, late night public transport has become a lot more affordable and therefore late night buses have become redundant.

Perhaps all these short haul night buses are being beaten by Uber then.
Uber is making both late night buses and taxis redundant as young people find Uber more accessible then buses and taxis late at night as Uber is a tap or two away on any smart phone
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Re: September 2019 timetable changes

Postby boronia » Tue Aug 27, 2019 5:49 am

Ch 7 promoting a feature on a "major transport shakeup" for Tuesday night's bulletin.
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Re: September 2019 timetable changes

Postby kypros1992 » Tue Aug 27, 2019 10:05 am

boronia wrote:Ch 7 promoting a feature on a "major transport shakeup" for Tuesday night's bulletin.


They probably just found the new transport organisation chart
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Re: September 2019 timetable changes

Postby marcnut1996 » Tue Aug 27, 2019 10:46 am

Minor route, platform and timing changes to current timetables at Central Station

I wonder what are the platform changes? I am guessing it is something related to Bankstown Line as it is the only suburban line I know of to depart from two possible different platforms at Central in the same direction.
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Re: September 2019 timetable changes

Postby Fleet Lists » Tue Aug 27, 2019 12:52 pm

That would mean trains having to go the other way around thew City Circle - so I dont think it is that. It is more likely some country platform changes for the intercity trains.
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Re: September 2019 timetable change

Postby Jurassic_Joke » Tue Aug 27, 2019 7:36 pm

CityRail wrote:
Yet with the introduction of Uber and UberPools, late night public transport has become a lot more affordable and therefore late night buses have become redundant.



I respectfully disagree.

I think our NightRide network is something to be proud of, we have late night transport 7 days a week - Melbourne on Sunday to Thursday has quite literally zero public transport after midnight (or whenever service finishes).

Uber will still in almost all cases always be quite a lot more expensive than the NightRide, because all it really is is a modernised glorified taxi. If you split the bill between your mates, if you’re with any at all, that’s another story. On the NightRide, the usual bus fare applies, so the maximum fare band is 8km, ($4.80, or $2.40 on travel reward, or $0.00 if you’ve reached a cap) and with train distances, you will reach that 8km very quickly. I strongly believe people should continue to have the choice between Ubers or using their Opal Card with the same fares and benefits to travel in a safe, well-maintained public vehicle (bus) to get home late at night.
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Re: September 2019 timetable change

Postby swtt » Tue Aug 27, 2019 7:46 pm

Jurassic_Joke wrote:
CityRail wrote:
Yet with the introduction of Uber and UberPools, late night public transport has become a lot more affordable and therefore late night buses have become redundant.

I respectfully disagree.


Affordable to operate, not necessarily affordable to take. At least, it's no longer costing the operator $$$$$ to get an actual taxi plate.

It has dramatically increased supply, notwithstanding the fact that it'll take you straight to your door which those fixed bus routes won't (and not designed to) do. In the wee hours, it's probably not worth operating a bus like that to carry fresh air around when the travel patterns are so much more dispersed and radial compared to during daytimes where people generally travel along main corridors.
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Re: September 2019 timetable changes

Postby moa999 » Tue Aug 27, 2019 11:02 pm

Don't think Uber is that much cheaper than taxis, particularly once you factor in surcharges.

Think it's more likely that the lockout laws have shifted demand away from the CBD and KX which is the starting point for most of the N routes
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Re: September 2019 timetable changes

Postby Frosty » Thu Aug 29, 2019 11:05 pm

How was the 342 not mentioned Sydney's shortest route as one of the lowest patronage seriously doubt there are more than 10 that use in a whole year. Including the 362 is silly it only runs during the summer and from memory on weekends only as well.
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Re: September 2019 timetable changes

Postby Fleet Lists » Fri Aug 30, 2019 1:13 pm

The Blue Mountains timetable with the second Bathurst Bullet is now available https://transportnsw.info/documents/tim ... 190907.pdf
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Re: September 2019 timetable changes

Postby Fleet Lists » Fri Aug 30, 2019 3:43 pm

A bit confusing - the advice shows it starting on 16 September but the timetable shows Saturday 7 September
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Re: September 2019 timetable changes

Postby gilberations » Mon Sep 02, 2019 3:35 am

The two bullets will pass somewhere between Maragaroo and Walerawang at night. Seems interesting. Logic would have attempted to have them be at Lithgow around the same time to allow for 1 crew to do both runs to Bathurst.


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Re: September 2019 timetable changes

Postby Fleet Lists » Mon Sep 02, 2019 9:43 am

Fleet Lists wrote:A bit confusing - the advice shows it starting on 16 September but the timetable shows Saturday 7 September

Transport for NSW advises that the timetable officially starts on 7th September but the extra Bullet has been deferred because of trackwork between 7th and 16th September.
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Re: September 2019 timetable changes

Postby BroadGauge » Mon Sep 02, 2019 11:04 am

Fleet Lists wrote:The Blue Mountains timetable with the second Bathurst Bullet is now available https://transportnsw.info/documents/tim ... 190907.pdf

That service sure gets a slow run on a Wednesday! It must be riding on low speed signals the whole way in from Katoomba as it takes 27 minutes longer from there to Central than others day of the week - it's actually quite a bit slower than a standard all stations V set service on that day.

Can't say that I'd voluntarily choose to spend 4hrs 11mins sitting on an Endeavour - that's a longer trip than some regional services with reclining seats, a buffet and first class available like the Canberra Xplorer take!

It's a pity that the connections aren't optimal for an inbound trip from Bathurst to Sydney of an evening. On Mon/Tue/Thur/Fri nights there is a 58 minute "connection" at Lithgow, on Wednesday there is no connection because it misses the last Sydney service by 9 minutes.

And on weekends it arrives in the midst of a 2.5 hour gap between services so there is a 107 minute wait, perhaps time for a leisurely dinner if there is anywhere in Lithgow still serving meals that late ;)
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Re: September 2019 timetable changes

Postby Fleet Lists » Mon Sep 02, 2019 11:17 am

It is slower on Wednesday because it will be held up by the Indian Pacific.
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Re: September 2019 timetable changes

Postby Fleet Lists » Fri Sep 06, 2019 1:43 pm

https://transportnsw.info/news/2019/new ... e#homepage


New mid-week Griffith to Sydney service
Friday 06 September 2019

A new mid-week service between Griffith and Sydney will start in mid-September, providing more choice and flexibility when travelling by train across the Riverina.

The first new mid-week service will depart Sydney for Griffith on Wednesday 18 September, followed by the first Griffith to Sydney service on Thursday 19 September.

In addition to the new Griffith service, those travelling to Sydney from Canberra, Melbourne and Griffith will save up to 16 minutes on the journey from this September, with adjustments to departure and arrival times for some services.
Train services between Sydney and Griffith
Saturday
(existing) Wednesday
(new) Sunday
(existing) Thursday
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Central (Sydney) 7.05am 12.01pm Griffith 7.25am 7.25am
Griffith 3.25pm 8.33pm Central
(Sydney) 4pm 4.03pm

You can now book your trip on these new services.
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