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Re: NSW Railway Observations 2019

Postby Fleet Lists » Tue Sep 10, 2019 9:36 pm

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Re: NSW Railway Observations 2019

Postby Fleet Lists » Thu Sep 12, 2019 9:30 am

Tonyp might like this. He has commented on this in the past but I can not find the post(s) concerned,

Up till today Transport Info timetables for regional services purely showed the trip concerned when requesting say service 631 from Sydney to Canberra and nothing else. You would have to look up every individual trip between those two locations if you wanted to get the full picture.

As from today when requesting the timetable for a service number, the link goes to the full Southern timetable so that each service number gives the full picture. I think there are still the single trip timetables for the various trial coach services which are not in the full timetable.

This applies to each of the four regions.
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Re: NSW Railway Observations 2019

Postby burrumbus » Thu Sep 12, 2019 10:02 am

Great stuff Lourie.
That finally makes it user friendly.The previous system was just hopeless.
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Re: NSW Railway Observations 2019

Postby tonyp » Thu Sep 12, 2019 10:20 am

Fleet Lists wrote:Tonyp might like this. He has commented on this in the past but I can not find the post(s) concerned,

Up till today Transport Info timetables for regional services purely showed the trip concerned when requesting say service 631 from Sydney to Canberra and nothing else. You would have to look up every individual trip between those two locations if you wanted to get the full picture.

As from today when requesting the timetable for a service number, the link goes to the full Southern timetable so that each service number gives the full picture. I think there are still the single trip timetables for the various trial coach services which are not in the full timetable.

This applies to each of the four regions.

Yes, I was referring in a past post to the Moss Vale-Wollongong coach link where they had a separate timetable for each individual trip.
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Re: NSW Railway Observations 2019

Postby Fleet Lists » Thu Sep 12, 2019 4:20 pm

And while having a look at the various timetables for trial services I noticed that services 783 and 784 between Goulburn and Canberra have a finishing date in the timetable URL of 28 October 2019.

Also trial services 777, 778, 779 and 780 between Campbelltown and Goulburn now link to the Southern Region timetable but dont appear to get a mention there.
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Re: NSW Railway Observations 2019

Postby Fleet Lists » Fri Sep 13, 2019 8:54 am

777, 778, 779 and 780 should be fixed later today
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Re: NSW Railway Observations 2019

Postby Fleet Lists » Fri Sep 13, 2019 10:45 am

And the coach services from Tamworth to Dubbo and Port Macquarie appear to have become permanent as they are now included in the North West timetable booklet although the temporary trial timetables are still linked to from the trial services page in Transport Info. Both timetable contain a statement that the trial has been extended to March 2019!
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Re: NSW Railway Observations 2019

Postby tonyp » Sun Sep 15, 2019 6:55 am

Four-car Endeavour on the South Coast today because of big crowds for the Berry Food and Wine festival. Rather than dragging a set from somewhere else (southern highlands?), why can't they run the regular two car set twice as frequently? Two-hourly service on weekends is poor enough as it is. Surely it wouldn't tax their ingenuity to run it more often on an occasion like this, as they do during the week.
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Re: NSW Railway Observations 2019

Postby Campbelltown busboy » Sun Sep 15, 2019 8:15 am

tonyp wrote:Four-car Endeavour on the South Coast today because of big crowds for the Berry Food and Wine festival. Rather than dragging a set from somewhere else (southern highlands?), why can't they run the regular two car set twice as frequently? Two-hourly service on weekends is poor enough as it is. Surely it wouldn't tax their ingenuity to run it more often on an occasion like this, as they do during the week.
The Endeavour rosters would have been better if labor ordered another lot of 7 to 10 Hunter sets when they ordered the lot of Hunter sets that replaced the 620/720 railcars then NSW Trainlink wouldn't need to roster any Endeavours on the Hunter line witch means the two sets that are based at the Newcastle maintenance facility could have been transferred down to the Eveleigh maintenance facility
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Re: NSW Railway Observations 2019

Postby BroadGauge » Sun Sep 15, 2019 8:36 am

I've heard a rumour that the second daily Bathurst Bullet, which starts tomorrow, is being provided by taking away the only one spare set on the Southern Highlands line. Hopefully this won't effect on the reliability of that line! :twisted:

It seems like quite poor utilisation IMO to have 2 sets out of a limited fleet dedicated to operating one round trip per day each, whilst the rest of the fleet is doing shuttles up and down all day long.

I really don't see what would be so bad with having the Bathurst service as a shuttle connecting with a limited stops electric at Lithgow - for the resources spent running two round trips to Sydney they could have several daily round trips with one set.
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Re: NSW Railway Observations 2019

Postby boronia » Sun Sep 15, 2019 8:39 am

Wasn't the existing Bullet serviced by taking a spare set?

I think SH passengers are so used to regular bustitution, they won't know the difference
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Re: NSW Railway Observations 2019

Postby BroadGauge » Sun Sep 15, 2019 8:43 am

boronia wrote:Wasn't the existing Bullet serviced by taking a spare set?

I'd assumed that it must be using what was once the second South Coast set, before the Bomaderry service was curtailed to operate exclusively only between Kiama and Bomaderry.

I remember about a decade ago being at Berry when the two Endeavours were crossing, with one train full of passengers having to pop into a dead end siding to let the other set through!
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Re: NSW Railway Observations 2019

Postby tonyp » Sun Sep 15, 2019 8:59 am

BroadGauge wrote:It seems like quite poor utilisation IMO to have 2 sets out of a limited fleet dedicated to operating one round trip per day each, whilst the rest of the fleet is doing shuttles up and down all day long.

I really don't see what would be so bad with having the Bathurst service as a shuttle connecting with a limited stops electric at Lithgow - for the resources spent running two round trips to Sydney they could have several daily round trips with one set.

The thing that's anoying about the weekend south coast service is that the train sits at each terminus for half an hour after each individual run while the crew has a nice long layover break, when it could be running up and down the line. The total layover time during the day must pretty-much equal the actual running time. There seems to be a lot of inefficiencies in these services - or just featherbedding.
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Re: NSW Railway Observations 2019

Postby Linto63 » Sun Sep 15, 2019 10:07 pm

tonyp wrote:The thing that's anoying about the weekend south coast service is that the train sits at each terminus for half an hour after each individual run while the crew has a nice long layover break, when it could be running up and down the line. The total layover time during the day must pretty-much equal the actual running time. There seems to be a lot of inefficiencies in these services - or just featherbedding.
Per the current timetable, turnarounds at Bomaderry are only 5-10 minutes, but it does sit at Kiama for 50-60 minutes betweens runs. It could do another return trip in that hour, but it would not be able to be held even for a few minutes to connect when the service from Sydney is late, which from my experience it often is, so you end up with brassed off passengers cooling their heels in Kiama for up to an hour. Presumably the duplication of 4 kilometres of the line between Gerringong and Berry is being done to facilitate an hourly service.
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Re: NSW Railway Observations 2019

Postby tonyp » Sun Sep 15, 2019 10:29 pm

Having buses on standby at Kiama in the event of late-running electrics is a pretty regular occurrence now. The Endeavours do already run an hourly service on weekday mornings and afternoons and they do a very nifty crew changeover at both ends. I imagine that the duplication you mention would be to minimize entanglement with the five or so Manildra trains that traverse the line most days of the week.
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Re: NSW Railway Observations 2019

Postby swtt » Sun Sep 15, 2019 10:42 pm

boronia wrote:Wasn't the existing Bullet serviced by taking a spare set?

I think SH passengers are so used to regular bustitution, they won't know the difference


The irony is that is probably faster :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: NSW Railway Observations 2019

Postby Linto63 » Sun Sep 15, 2019 10:44 pm

boronia wrote:Wasn't the existing Bullet serviced by taking a spare set?
Recall somebody said that only 10 out of the 14 were needed to operate the timetable, so was a bit of fat anyway.
tonyp wrote:I imagine that the duplication you mention would be to minimize entanglement with the five or so Manildra trains that traverse the line most days of the week.

From the local MP, albeit without a time frame:

This upgrade will also create the capacity to deliver a regular 30 minute service in peak hours and a regular 60 minute service in the off-peaks.
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Re: NSW Railway Observations 2019

Postby tonyp » Mon Sep 16, 2019 6:56 am


Thank you, I remember Gareth mentioning this but never saw the press release. It says during this term of office. 4 km isn't the entire length between Gerringong and Berry, it's just a passing siding on the straight at Toolijooa. It would be basically because of the Manildra trains as well as the ability of the railcars to pass each other. It will be interesting to see where they would put another platform at Bomaderry as the sidings opposite the present platform are used to prepare the Manildra trains for departure.
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Re: NSW Railway Observations 2019

Postby Linto63 » Mon Sep 16, 2019 8:49 am

More likely that the existing platform will become 2 by being extended with points installed half way along like at Cronulla allowing trains to access the southern platform via the loop if the northern one is occupied.
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Re: NSW Railway Observations 2019

Postby boronia » Thu Sep 19, 2019 7:09 pm

I've noticed the new Bathurst Bullet passing through Penrith a couple of times this week. Seems to have good loadings, but I wonder how many are BMT travellers looking for an express trip to Katoomba or Mt Vic?
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Re: NSW Railway Observations 2019

Postby Fleet Lists » Sat Sep 21, 2019 8:53 am

https://transportnsw.info/news/2019/nsw ... s#homepage

NSW TrainLink Grafton and Casino service changes
Friday 20 September 2019

Over the past few weeks the Sydney to Grafton return train service has been replaced by coaches to accommodate essential maintenance on the XPT fleet.

As a result, from Sunday 29 September 2019, one leg of the Casino service, as well as one leg of the Grafton service will be replaced with coaches.

The daily Sydney to Brisbane return train service, which stops at Casino and Grafton, has not been impacted.

The new service patterns for the Casino and Grafton services from Sunday 29 September 2019 to Saturday 30 November 2019 are:

The 7.00 pm Casino to Sydney service will be replaced by a road coach. This is a half an hour earlier departure than the train service to accommodate coach connections along the route.
The 7.08 am Sydney to Casino service will continue to be a train.
We will re-introduce a train for the 5.15 am Grafton to Sydney service.
The 11.41 am Sydney to Grafton service will continue to be replaced by a road coach.

If you are travelling to and from the Central Coast by coach you will change to a train service at Broadmeadow station. This will allow you to reach Central Coast destinations quicker than if the coach continued and stopped at train stations.

If you are travelling to and from Strathfield you should use Intercity or Suburban train services to connect with coaches at either Hornsby or Central Station.

Due to the North Coast 34 Casino to Central train service being replaced by a coach service, connections to Western 427 Central to Dubbo and Southern 623 Central to Melbourne (Southern Cross) will be available to book, however are no longer guaranteed.

If you have booked on these services you will be contacted and advised of the service change and you can use the Trip Planner, which has been updated to reflect these changes.

You will also be advised if additional services need to be replaced by coaches.

At this stage no other services have been impacted by the maintenance program.
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Re: NSW Railway Observations 2019

Postby Stonesourscotty » Sat Sep 21, 2019 12:25 pm

Issues at Clarendon are meaning Penrith trains are doing an extra three stops at Pendle Hill Toongabbie and Wentworthville trains are running about 3 minutes late due to this ongoing issue.

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Re: NSW Railway Observations 2019

Postby Fleet Lists » Sat Sep 21, 2019 12:46 pm

Cant find any alert for this - Why would an issue at Clarendon mean extra stops at Pendle Hill Toongabbie and Wentworthville?
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Re: NSW Railway Observations 2019

Postby Stonesourscotty » Sat Sep 21, 2019 12:47 pm

The alerts where showing as far east as Lidcombe on tripviewImage

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Re: NSW Railway Observations 2019

Postby swtt » Sat Sep 21, 2019 1:14 pm

Fleet Lists wrote:Cant find any alert for this - Why would an issue at Clarendon mean extra stops at Pendle Hill Toongabbie and Wentworthville?
Because they're usually served by Richmond services on the weekend.

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