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Re: Distribution of high-capcity buses in NSW

Postby tonyp » Mon Sep 03, 2018 1:45 pm

boronia wrote:From a quick look, these roads appear to be related to routes already in use.

Presumably RMS would survey more, if operators requested?

These would only be "state" roads, local councils might have to approval local roads.

It's done at state level as part of TfNSW's consideration of approval of a route, with the RMS having the responsibility for checking the clearances and rectifying them where necessary.
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Re: Distribution of high-capcity buses in NSW

Postby Off The Rails » Mon Sep 03, 2018 9:58 pm

You know, tonyp, to be even more pedantic, WA (as a whole, not just Transperth) has 126 artics and 3 double deckers in regular use (to the best of my knowledge).

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Re: Distribution of high-capcity buses in NSW

Postby tonyp » Mon Sep 03, 2018 10:30 pm

Off The Rails wrote:You know, tonyp, to be even more pedantic, WA (as a whole, not just Transperth) has 126 artics and 3 double deckers in regular use (to the best of my knowledge).

Cheers! :wink:

Being pedantic is encouraged on this thread! However, how many of them run in actual route bus service (commuter or school) as opposed to charter only, party buses etc?
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Re: Distribution of high-capcity buses in NSW

Postby Off The Rails » Tue Sep 04, 2018 5:23 pm

tonyp wrote:
Off The Rails wrote:You know, tonyp, to be even more pedantic, WA (as a whole, not just Transperth) has 126 artics and 3 double deckers in regular use (to the best of my knowledge).

Cheers! :wink:

Being pedantic is encouraged on this thread! However, how many of them run in actual route bus service (commuter or school) as opposed to charter only, party buses etc?

I couldn't be exact on the 23 private artics, but Transperth's 103 and the 3 deckers are in route service.

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Re: Distribution of high-capcity buses in NSW

Postby Bus Suggestions » Tue Sep 04, 2018 5:47 pm

If the 23 private artics are within the Westwide or Horizon's West fleets, than they'll be out and about as those two companies do run school services as well as charters.
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Re: Distribution of high-capcity buses in NSW

Postby tonyp » Tue Sep 04, 2018 6:32 pm

Tim Williams' double decker list in the general transport thread doesn't include any deckers in WA, though I've seen an ex Sydney Atlantean party bus in Perth. So where are these three deckers in route service?

The private artics could also do with a bit of a breakdown but I won't follow it up here as this is a NSW-specific thread. I've done enough of a national search to reveal that there are over 700 artics on route service across Australia. That sets the NSW picture in perspective.
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Re: Distribution of high-capcity buses in NSW

Postby Off The Rails » Wed Sep 05, 2018 1:15 am

The 3 deckers that I'm referring to are the ones operated by City Sightseeing.

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Re: Distribution of high-capcity buses in NSW

Postby tonyp » Wed Sep 05, 2018 7:41 am

Off The Rails wrote:The 3 deckers that I'm referring to are the ones operated by City Sightseeing.

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OK thanks. I guess I wouldn't classify these buses as public route (commuter or school) buses though.
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Re: Distribution of high-capcity buses in NSW

Postby Tim Williams » Wed Sep 05, 2018 8:50 am

On the Double Decker listing I have noted in the Sydney section, under City Explorer, Perth + a couple of other cities - I have just not specified the numbers/types in each city, as I am unsure of that.

As mentioned a couple of times, I have excluded party buses (Atlanteans etc.) as they don't do much for deckers, both in what they do (encouraging the young to drink excessively and generally behave in a noisy/rowdy manner) and the buses themselves are sometimes/often in a pretty poor condition.

Just in case you think I am a moralistic non-drinking wowser, I certainly am not, but these party buses do the industry no favours - they are a poor sight on a Friday or Saturday night, with the noisy / half drunken payload.

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Re: Distribution of high-capcity buses in NSW

Postby tonyp » Wed Sep 05, 2018 12:31 pm

Tim Williams wrote:As mentioned a couple of times, I have excluded party buses (Atlanteans etc.) as they don't do much for deckers, both in what they do (encouraging the young to drink excessively and generally behave in a noisy/rowdy manner) and the buses themselves are sometimes/often in a pretty poor condition.

Just in case you think I am a moralistic non-drinking wowser, I certainly am not, but these party buses do the industry no favours - they are a poor sight on a Friday or Saturday night, with the noisy / half drunken payload.

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Re: Distribution of high-capcity buses in NSW

Postby Tonymercury » Wed Sep 05, 2018 2:02 pm

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Re: Distribution of high-capcity buses in NSW

Postby Tim Williams » Wed Sep 05, 2018 4:32 pm

What a great way to sightsee - very civilised, love to go on that tour! I really do not know a great deal about Brno other than the area has been settled for a very long time and I think Brno is the second largest city in the Czech Republic.

My anti-party bus stance comes from the time I was running operations, finance and admin for a large bus & coach company with travel agencies. – the fleet was just about all Denning’s and Volvos - the coaches were almost all 5 star luxury units, it was a top class operation. The ambitious Sales Manager gained a contract for the round the city, booze/party bus operation but using our almost new Volvo/Volgren Twin Decks, I was never happy with this, thinking that it did nothing for the company’s image, but I went along with it.

The operation’s staff, particularly cleaners, were not happy with the outcome of these charters – the coaches would arrive back in the depot, late Saturday/early Sunday, more often than not, in a mess, including vomit on the seats and carpets, especially in the lower deck lounge, which turned out to be the most popular place in the coach.

The cleaners would work hard top clean up the mess, with the most difficult part being the total elimination of the lingering smell of vomit. Despite their best efforts, this did not always happen and it seems that often those coaches would depart on long distance tour within a day of with slight traces of that wonderful aroma. Not at all good for the passengers (who quite reasonably complained) or the company’s image and reputation.

The future of this party night operation was decided after I received a late night phone call from a driver on Saturday, seeking directions from me. A young female passenger had got herself into a dreadful state and the tour operator had got her out of the coach (with assistance from the driver) and propped her up on the pavement (against a wall, I think), where she continued to vomit uncontrollably and then I believe she passed out. The tour operator wanted to leave her there (it was in the city centre) and continue on with the booze/party tour.

I instructed the driver to call for an ambulance and stay with the girl, until it arrived and ensure that her air passages were clear and that she was breathing ok. The ambulance arrived quickly, took her to hospital and we found out later that she had acute alcohol poisoning, her stomach was pumped and leaving her as requested by the tour operator might have had fatal consequences for this poor girl. We operated no more booze tours after this!

So, you wonder my I don’t like late night booze/party buses for young people………………
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