Route/Timetable changes 23rd and 30th September 2018

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Re: Eastern Suburbs changes from 23rd September 2018

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swtt wrote:Rather interesting how the changes to the 333 (from 23/9/2018) weren't even pre announced in the SMH article that was previously posted here.

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/nsw/tho ... 4zjnt.html
This has come on the tail end of a long process of study to solve the issues of capacity on this corridor, extending back to the rail line proposal and then Waverley Council's studies, submitted to TfNSW, of options including a detailed analysis of light rail. So, once TfNSW rejected the light rail option on (rather cooked-up) technical grounds, they've finally focussed on optimising the bus option and this is the final outcome. If they can crack the all-door boarding nut, it will be as good as it gets for the foreseeable future.

Some background and a photo of one-door boarding in its full glory:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-05-03/c ... on/9485454

https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/newsl ... 7a51104d07

I've dug out the final study to come out of Council, upon which TfNSW has drawn for its decision to adopt the B Line solution (with artics rather than deckers).

http://www.waverley.nsw.gov.au/__data/a ... erhoff.PDF

Fig. E1.1 on page ix shows that this should be a viable solution for the foreseeable future, but it needs a little more support from traffic prioritisation and all-door loading. The PB report has a number of deficiencies, one of which is that it identifies the issue of buses holding up each other and traffic by stopping at stops, but then suggests only the solution of having less stops (yeah, great for the customers in such a dense area) and completely ignores the issue of the time spent at each stop by the bus (dwell time) which is an equal if not more significant contributing issue. In this respect it's a blessing that they've chosen artics (even if without all-door loading) because deckers would really foul it up.

An interesting bit of historical background on the 333 from a decade ago:

https://ses.library.usyd.edu.au//bitstr ... Rookes.pdf

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Routes 400/420 and associated changes

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Any extra news or rumours Stu regarding 400/420?

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Admin: separated from the 23rd September changes as it appears most unlikely now that these changes will be done on 23rd September.
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Re: Routes 400/420 and associated changes

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And have since combined it with other posts on this subject from another thread so hopefully we can now cover these changes in the one thread here.
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Stu wrote:
357 will operate in its former guise from Bondi Jct., I'm not sure if it will operate to Kingsford only or to Eastlakes as the latter will create duplication with the 343 & 418 on Gardeners Rd. On the flip side, Kingsford only has so much layover space which, so maybe the 357 will of operate to the former off-peak terminus of Racecourse Pl, Eastlakes.
Mightn't it be better going to Mascot Station?. It would be replacing the 418 on Gardeners Rd, not duplicating it.
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Re: Eastern Suburbs changes from 23rd September 2018

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New timetables have been uploaded to the trip planner but not released as PDFs yet

For example, 370 towards Coogee has got about 8 minutes extra running time during interpeak. It also runs every 15 minutes instead of every 20 minutes.

Old: 11:00 -> 12:07 (1 h 7 min)
New: 11:08 -> 12:23 (1 h 15 min)

357: Bondi Junction - Mascot Station
418: Burwood - Kingsford (TSN 203236)

400: Bondi Junction - International Airport
420: Burwood - Eastgardens
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Re: Eastern Suburbs changes from 23rd September 2018

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Qantas94Heavy wrote:New timetables have been uploaded to the trip planner but not released as PDFs yet
400: Bondi Junction - International Airport
:shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: Shame about the lack of a Rockdale extension.

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Re: Eastern Suburbs changes from 23rd September 2018

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Qantas94Heavy wrote:New timetables have been uploaded to the trip planner but not released as PDFs yet

For example, 370 towards Coogee has got about 8 minutes extra running time during interpeak. It also runs every 15 minutes instead of every 20 minutes.

Old: 11:00 -> 12:07 (1 h 7 min)
New: 11:08 -> 12:23 (1 h 15 min)

357: Bondi Junction - Mascot Station
418: Burwood - Kingsford (TSN 203236)

400: Bondi Junction - International Airport
420: Burwood - Eastgardens
It seems I can't select 23 Sep in the trip planner (only up to 14 days).
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Re: Eastern Suburbs changes from 23rd September 2018

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Qantas94Heavy wrote:For example, 370 towards Coogee has got about 8 minutes extra running time during interpeak. It also runs every 15 minutes instead of every 20 minutes.

Old: 11:00 -> 12:07 (1 h 7 min)
New: 11:08 -> 12:23 (1 h 15 min)
And Mr Constance will now be able to spruik that TSA have reduced late running on the route; see the benefits of privatisation.
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Re: Eastern Suburbs changes from 23rd September 2018

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Qantas94Heavy wrote:
400: Bondi Junction - International Airport
420: Burwood - Eastgardens
So no longer possible to access the airport from the South (or Banksia, Rockdale stations) ?

420 also listed as. Limited

(These posts should be in the other thread)
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Re: Eastern Suburbs changes from 23rd September 2018

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boronia wrote:
Qantas94Heavy wrote:For example, 370 towards Coogee has got about 8 minutes extra running time during interpeak. It also runs every 15 minutes instead of every 20 minutes.

Old: 11:00 -> 12:07 (1 h 7 min)
New: 11:08 -> 12:23 (1 h 15 min)
And Mr Constance will now be able to spruik that TSA have reduced late running on the route; see the benefits of privatisation.
I don't think TSA runs this route? No?
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Re: Eastern Suburbs changes from 23rd September 2018

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boronia wrote:
Qantas94Heavy wrote:For example, 370 towards Coogee has got about 8 minutes extra running time during interpeak. It also runs every 15 minutes instead of every 20 minutes.

Old: 11:00 -> 12:07 (1 h 7 min)
New: 11:08 -> 12:23 (1 h 15 min)
And Mr Constance will now be able to spruik that TSA have reduced late running on the route; see the benefits of privatisation.
370 is operated by STA.
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Re: Eastern Suburbs changes from 23rd September 2018

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Qantas94Heavy wrote:New timetables have been uploaded to the trip planner but not released as PDFs yet

For example, 370 towards Coogee has got about 8 minutes extra running time during interpeak. It also runs every 15 minutes instead of every 20 minutes.

Old: 11:00 -> 12:07 (1 h 7 min)
New: 11:08 -> 12:23 (1 h 15 min)

357: Bondi Junction - Mascot Station
418: Burwood - Kingsford (TSN 203236)

400: Bondi Junction - International Airport
420: Burwood - Eastgardens
How do you know the new times when the PDF's are not available and the trip finder does not show 23rd September as yet - only the next 14 days.
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Re: Eastern Suburbs changes from 23rd September 2018

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Fleet Lists wrote:
Qantas94Heavy wrote:New timetables have been uploaded to the trip planner but not released as PDFs yet

For example, 370 towards Coogee has got about 8 minutes extra running time during interpeak. It also runs every 15 minutes instead of every 20 minutes.

Old: 11:00 -> 12:07 (1 h 7 min)
New: 11:08 -> 12:23 (1 h 15 min)

357: Bondi Junction - Mascot Station
418: Burwood - Kingsford (TSN 203236)

400: Bondi Junction - International Airport
420: Burwood - Eastgardens
How do you know the new times when the PDF's are not available and the trip finder does not show 23rd September as yet - only the next 14 days.
Maybe he has other insider information! :P
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Re: Eastern Suburbs changes from 23rd September 2018

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With the information getting more intertwined with the new timetables (at least in trip finder) for both exercises now available although not yet accessible, I have combined the two threads back together. If the dates do turn out to be different, I can always sort it out again later.
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Re: Eastern Suburbs changes from 23rd September 2018

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moa999 wrote: So no longer possible to access the airport from the South (or Banksia, Rockdale stations) ?

420 also listed as. Limited

(These posts should be in the other thread)
From Q94H's original link you can still use the trip planner for October 2. The 420 goes via the airport too:

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Re: Eastern Suburbs changes from 23rd September 2018

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mandonov wrote:
From Q94H's original link you can still use the trip planner for October 2. The 420 goes via the airport too:
Thanks I had forgotten about that and I dont know where it was published - I had fiddled with it myself like that but it is a very slow process and will leave it to other people to do that.
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Re: Eastern Suburbs changes from 23rd September 2018

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Apologies for the confusion everyone, got the two changes mixed up while checking out the new routes.

420/400 and 357/418 changes will start on 30 Sep while the general Eastern Suburbs changes will happen on 23 Sep.
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Re: Eastern Suburbs changes from 23rd and 30th September 201

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Rather than splitting the information again I have now changed the heading of this thread to read "Eastern Suburbs changes from 23rd and 30th September 2018" so that it covers both dates.
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Re: Eastern Suburbs changes from 23rd September 2018

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Qantas94Heavy wrote:Apologies for the confusion everyone, got the two changes mixed up while checking out the new routes.

420/400 and 357/418 changes will start on 30 Sep while the general Eastern Suburbs changes will happen on 23 Sep.
hmm i don't seem to be able to find the link you provided, Q94H.

Can you post it again?
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Re: Eastern Suburbs changes from 23rd and 30th September 201

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It is quite simple - do a search between any two locations using a current date such as I did in http://www.busaustralia.com/forum/viewt ... 0#p1032030
Then change date at the end to whatever date/time you want such as 2018 10 for october 02 for the day of the month and 1010 is 10 past 10amsuch as
"https://transportnsw.info/trip#/?wSpeed ... 1810021010"
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Re: Eastern Suburbs changes from 23rd and 30th September 201

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I did a sample trip between Kingsford Gardeners Rd & Mascot Station at around 10am departing & arriving from same stop STA (357) says 14 minutes while Transit Systems (418) has 12 minutes ???. Shouldn't they both take same time.
Looking at the 420 & 400 there's a 2-4 minute then a 16-19 min headway between these services between Airport & Eastgardens. So I can easily see these services basically bunch up. At least it makes it for easy transfer at Eastgardens & International Airport.
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Re: Eastern Suburbs changes from 23 and 30 September 2018

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Overnight services on the 400. Just kind of wished it was all stops, like a 400N.
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Re: Eastern Suburbs changes from 23 and 30 September 2018

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rogf24 wrote:Overnight services on the 400. Just kind of wished it was all stops, like a 400N.
420 also operates overnight!!! ImageImageImage

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Re: Eastern Suburbs changes from 23 and 30 September 2018

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Glad to see Overnight 400 services! I agree with all the new routes except for the 400, which I believer would be better suited running through to Rockdale as I have mentioned many times before.

Has Route 410 been abolished by these changes?
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Re: Eastern Suburbs changes from 23 and 30 September 2018

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J_Busworth wrote:Glad to see Overnight 400 services! I agree with all the new routes except for the 400, which I believer would be better suited running through to Rockdale as I have mentioned many times before.

Has Route 410 been abolished by these changes?
Looks like it.

420 overnight services seem to to skip the Domestic Terminal. 400 overnight only runs Bondi - Eastgardens.
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