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Re: S Set Retirement

Postby r_rogel » Mon Aug 27, 2018 9:33 pm

I thought that the carriages were not for private sale.
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Re: S Set Retirement

Postby boronia » Mon Aug 27, 2018 10:38 pm

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Some people like the newer trains, those that don’t break down as often as the Older ones, some S sets may be retained for the heritage fleet or At least it’s what Sydney told me. The steam trains date back to the early twentieth century, and there are still some around today, mostly in museums with some occasionally going out on the tracks for heritage tours. The Red ‘Rattler’ occasionally comes out for heritage tours and there are some S set carriages preserved into rail houses, If I recall correctly there was an S set carriage at The Train Shed theme park, which closed back in 2014, The S sets will occasionally come out for heritage tours, there was once four S set Carriages coupled to a row af AK carriages in 2014.

There are likely to be a few S sets being retained for the Sydney railway museum, all the others may come up for sale for rail houses. There are people that like to learn about the history of the NSWGR (New South Wales Government Railways)

It seems you are confusing "sets" (4 cars to a set) with individual carriages. There might be a few carriages retained for the heritage fleet (one operational set and maybe one car for the Museum), but not a few sets.

As of a couple of months agto, there were still four S set motor cars assigned to haul the AK carriages around Sydney.
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Re: S Set Retirement

Postby Bus883&1022 » Wed Aug 29, 2018 5:23 pm

boronia wrote:
Bus883&1022 wrote:
Some people like the newer trains, those that don’t break down as often as the Older ones, some S sets may be retained for the heritage fleet or At least it’s what Sydney told me. The steam trains date back to the early twentieth century, and there are still some around today, mostly in museums with some occasionally going out on the tracks for heritage tours. The Red ‘Rattler’ occasionally comes out for heritage tours and there are some S set carriages preserved into rail houses, If I recall correctly there was an S set carriage at The Train Shed theme park, which closed back in 2014, The S sets will occasionally come out for heritage tours, there was once four S set Carriages coupled to a row af AK carriages in 2014.

There are likely to be a few S sets being retained for the Sydney railway museum, all the others may come up for sale for rail houses. There are people that like to learn about the history of the NSWGR (New South Wales Government Railways)

It seems you are confusing "sets" (4 cars to a set) with individual carriages. There might be a few carriages retained for the heritage fleet (one operational set and maybe one car for the Museum), but not a few sets.

As of a couple of months ago, there were still four S set motor cars assigned to haul the AK carriages around Sydney.


That’s Interesting to see, not sure how long those S set cars were used to haul 3 AK cars but I’d say quite some time, and yes I was talking about individual carriages, not the set itself.

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Re: S Set Retirement

Postby idontknow556 » Wed Aug 29, 2018 8:50 pm

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Re: S Set Retirement

Postby Fleet Lists » Wed Aug 29, 2018 9:41 pm

Bus883&1022 wrote: and yes I was talking about individual carriages, not the set itself.

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Re: S Set Retirement

Postby idontknow556 » Wed Sep 05, 2018 10:08 pm

As you may have seen in the $1.7 Million order for new Waratah trains thread the first B series Waratah is about to enter service which means that they will probably start retiring the S sets next week. I am guessing that S103 will be retired first as it is the oldest in the fleet.

And will Sydney Trains or Transport Heritage NSW run a S set farewell tour?
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Re: S Set Retirement

Postby Swift » Wed Sep 05, 2018 10:58 pm

idontknow556 wrote: I am guessing that S103 will be retired first as it is the oldest in the fleet.


Do you know when S103 dates? 1977 or close?
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Re: S Set Retirement

Postby idontknow556 » Thu Sep 06, 2018 7:33 am

Looking at the fleet lists I am guessing that this was built between 1972 and 1976.
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Re: S Set Retirement

Postby Swift » Thu Sep 06, 2018 3:50 pm

idontknow556 wrote:Looking at the fleet lists I am guessing that this was built between 1972 and 1976.

That's why I like trains. Good luck finding a bus that goes back much beyond 1995.
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Re: S Set Retirement

Postby Campbelltown busboy » Sun Sep 16, 2018 7:47 pm

What will happen with the rostering for trains on the Carlingford line and the Olympic Park sprint line when the S sets are retired
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Re: S Set Retirement

Postby idontknow556 » Mon Sep 17, 2018 8:18 am

They'll most likely be replaced by K or C sets. But during special events A or B sets will run on the Olympic park line.
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Re: S Set Retirement

Postby Aurora » Mon Sep 17, 2018 7:16 pm

Campbelltown busboy wrote:What will happen with the rostering for trains on the Carlingford line and the Olympic Park sprint line when the S sets are retired

Still got M Sets around. I would imagine they will be the choice.
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Re: S Set Retirement

Postby Campbelltown busboy » Tue Sep 18, 2018 7:23 am

Aurora wrote:
Campbelltown busboy wrote:What will happen with the rostering for trains on the Carlingford line and the Olympic Park sprint line when the S sets are retired

Still got M Sets around. I would imagine they will be the choice.
They could use Waratahs on the Olympic Park line as both Olympic Park and Lidcombe platform 0 can acommodate for 8 car trains where the langth of platforms at most stations on the Carlingford line might be at the langth where they can only accommodate 4 car trains I went in to full detail about the Carlingford line 4 car train rostering the B set thread
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Re: S Set Retirement

Postby Bus883&1022 » Tue Sep 18, 2018 8:18 am

Campbelltown busboy wrote:What will happen with the rostering for trains on the Carlingford line and the Olympic Park sprint line when the S sets are retired


The Carlingford line will close over the coming years to make way for light rail
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Re: S Set Retirement

Postby boronia » Tue Sep 18, 2018 3:16 pm

Aurora wrote:
Campbelltown busboy wrote:What will happen with the rostering for trains on the Carlingford line and the Olympic Park sprint line when the S sets are retired

Still got M Sets around. I would imagine they will be the choice.

I've seen plenty of 4Ms on OP line,

Possibly also on Carlingford, Weren't they on the service that terminated at Sydney Terminal, then ran to Schofields.
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Re: S Set Retirement

Postby Campbelltown busboy » Tue Sep 18, 2018 4:25 pm

boronia wrote:Possibly also on Carlingford, Weren't they on the service that terminated at Sydney Terminal, then ran to Schofields.
The roster your thinking of was run by ether a S set K or C set the roster was roster 95 witch had early morning Clyde-Carlingford yo-yos then the Carlingford to Sydney Terminal service then that Sydney Terminal to Schofields service after that it ran Cumberland line services witch I’m pretty sure it’s last run was the 16:50 Schofields to Campbelltown service
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Re: S Set Retirement

Postby BroadGauge » Tue Sep 18, 2018 9:27 pm

boronia wrote:Possibly also on Carlingford, Weren't they on the service that terminated at Sydney Terminal, then ran to Schofields.

That service which existed until last year was scheduled as a K set, which were scheduled on all weekday services in the past timetable.

Presently weekday services are scheduled as 4-car S sets from first train until 6:26pm (ex-Clyde), then a single M set runs the service from 6:56pm until last train. On weekends the shuttle is scheduled to be run with a single Millennium set.

Campbelltown busboy wrote:They could use Waratahs on the Olympic Park line as both Olympic Park and Lidcombe platform 0 can acommodate for 8 car trains

They could, but it would be fairly wasteful to use the newest 8-car sets on a five minute long shuttle that probably only needs 15% of that capacity.
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Re: S Set Retirement

Postby boronia » Fri Sep 21, 2018 9:17 am

Swift wrote:
idontknow556 wrote: I am guessing that S103 will be retired first as it is the oldest in the fleet.


Do you know when S103 dates? 1977 or close?

It is hard to date a set, because the individual cars may have been swapped around over time, and sets renumbered if moved between sectors.
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Re: S Set Retirement

Postby Swift » Fri Sep 21, 2018 1:13 pm

Boronia wrote:It is hard to date a set, because the individual cars may have been swapped around over time, and sets renumbered if moved between sectors.

That always frustrated with Comeng cars, no date of manufacture displayed anywhere, unlike a lot of buses where the month and year are commonly visible the build plate around the front the bus.
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Re: S Set Retirement

Postby Campbelltown busboy » Fri Sep 21, 2018 3:00 pm

There would of been a time up to the early 1990s where S sets were spread across 4 maintenance depots witch would have been Flemington Hornsby Mortdale and Punchbowl with the Punchbowl based S sets ending up at Flemington after the Punchbowl maintenance centre closure
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