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Region contracts expiring in 2018

Postby Fleet Lists » Mon Jul 16, 2018 4:24 pm

According to my records a number of regions have 5 year contracts which started in 2013 and hence would expire this year 2018.
Regions 1 and 3 October
Regions 10 and 12 January
Regions 7, 8 and 9 July
Region 13 May
Region 14 April.
So except for regions 1 and 3 these contracts have either already expired or will expire this month.
Have there been extensions to these contracts or are my dates wrong?

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Re: Region contracts expiring in 2018

Postby swtt » Mon Jul 16, 2018 4:28 pm

My question is, how proactive does the operator have to be in implementing improvements to win over TfNSW to award the contract?

I guess "continuous cycle of improvement" is the keyword these days.
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Re: Region contracts expiring in 2018

Postby Linto63 » Mon Jul 16, 2018 5:08 pm

The Newcastle contract was a 5 year contract with a 5 year extension based on KPI criteria being met, so perhaps something similar exists with the Sydney contracts. There is often a clause within government contracts allowing them to be rolled over. Often needed with government departments notorious for missing deadlines.
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Re: Region contracts expiring in 2018

Postby Fleet Lists » Mon Jul 16, 2018 5:41 pm

I am well aware of all that but I am trying to find out whether any of that has actually happened. When the Transdev contracts were renewed five years ago without retendering it was no secret but this year we do not seem to know what is actually happening.
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Re: Region contracts expiring in 2018

Postby iamthouth » Mon Jul 16, 2018 7:12 pm

The contracts were issued as 5+2+1, the 2 years being a default extension unless significant under performance, and the 1 as a flexi year to suit TfNSW work cycles (and politics one assumes).

We may see more tenders announced after the election next year for those first four contract areas in preparation of a contract commencement date in 2020 onwards.
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Re: Region contracts expiring in 2018

Postby Linto63 » Mon Jul 16, 2018 7:17 pm

The first sign of activity will likely be a call for expressions of interest here https://tenders.nsw.gov.au/ much like this one. https://tenders.nsw.gov.au/?event=publi ... 0445B7C0ED Can't see anything similar, so nothing appears to be on the go.
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Re: Region contracts expiring in 2018

Postby burrumbus » Mon Jul 16, 2018 7:33 pm

Nothing on the go as far as I am aware.
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Re: Region contracts expiring in 2018

Postby Stu » Mon Jul 16, 2018 9:37 pm

STA regions 7, 8 & 9 were officially renewed in February this year. The contracts were all for five year periods although the CEO advised staff the the contracts were only three year periods, maybe he meant 3 guaranteed + 2 as the extension. People here may be familiar with the fact that TfNSW & STA struck an in-principle agreement in December 2016 to strike a new 5 x year contract for each region 12 x months early which was all hinged on the STA restructure (commenced in 2017) to reduce costs.

The restructure was finalised earlier this year and STA are continuing to squeeze money out of all areas of the company in a desperate bid to keep privatisation away.
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Re: Region contracts expiring in 2018

Postby Fleet Lists » Wed Jul 25, 2018 1:53 pm

Busabout in their June newsletter acknowledge that they have now been operating region 15 for four years https://busabout.com.au/pdf/newsletter_jun_2018.pdf
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Re: Region contracts expiring in 2018

Postby Campbelltown busboy » Wed Aug 22, 2018 6:05 pm

Is Mainbar Bundeena Bus Service a sub contractor for Transdev in that area of region 10 if so then If Transdev loses the region 10 contract to another operator then will that operator continue to sub contract the 989 out to Mainbar Bundeena Bus Service
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Re: Region contracts expiring in 2018

Postby Fleet Lists » Thu Aug 23, 2018 8:21 am

That would be a matter to be resolved between Maianbar and the new contract holder.
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Re: Region contracts expiring in 2018

Postby Campbelltown busboy » Thu Aug 23, 2018 3:45 pm

Fleet Lists wrote:That would be a matter to be resolved between Maianbar and the new contract holder.
If the new operator says no to let Mainbar continue to run the 989 and the operator doesn’t aquire the Bundeena depot for the 989 then the operator would have to run buses between the Taren Point depot and Bundeena
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Re: Region contracts expiring in 2018

Postby 1whoknows » Fri Aug 24, 2018 8:38 am

or they could just outstation a bus or two and swap them over between peaks for periodic maintenance.
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Re: Region contracts expiring in 2018

Postby Campbelltown busboy » Sat Oct 27, 2018 9:00 pm

Let’s see if the Dunn Group put a bid in for a contract or Buslines Group might bid for a metro contract if they want to venture into Sydney
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Re: Region contracts expiring in 2018

Postby Campbelltown busboy » Thu Mar 28, 2019 2:30 pm

it looks more like the tender for the next round of bus contracts will now take place next year and the new contracts will start in 2021
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Re: Region contracts expiring in 2018

Postby Fleet Lists » Thu Mar 28, 2019 2:44 pm

Is this just your own opinion or do you have something to back this up?
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Re: Region contracts expiring in 2018

Postby Campbelltown busboy » Thu Mar 28, 2019 3:57 pm

Fleet Lists wrote:Is this just your own opinion or do you have something to back this up?
I got shot down on a Facebook group when I posted that contracts ended after only 5 years I had people commenting that the contracts go for 8 years and seaming that the first lot of tendered contracts started in 2013 that would mean that those contracts will be up sometime in the next 2 years
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Re: Region contracts expiring in 2018

Postby m/o 6234 » Thu Mar 28, 2019 9:31 pm

There’s some truth to what he is saying fleet list.....
2021 is when the contracts will be given out, most gained a 3 year extension end of last year but the next round will be tendering for the contracts/regions.
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Re: Region contracts expiring in 2018

Postby Linto63 » Thu Mar 28, 2019 10:19 pm

The contracts don't all expire simultaneously, but IIRC many of the private ones were last relet in 2013/14, so based on the basis that they run for 7 years as described above, then logically they will be tendered in 2020.
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Re: Region contracts expiring in 2018

Postby Daniel » Fri Mar 29, 2019 4:26 am

Just to add some fact to the thread - in the case of Transdev NSW, at this stage the Region 10 contract has been extended until 31 December 2020 and Region 13 until 30 April 2021.
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Re: Region contracts expiring in 2018

Postby Campbelltown busboy » Fri Apr 12, 2019 9:52 pm

What region does the East Hills/Revesby area routes fall under and who currently owns m/o 9140 the ex Caringbah Bus Service BCI Transdev or Transport For NSW
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Re: Region contracts expiring in 2018

Postby burrumbus » Fri Apr 12, 2019 11:27 pm

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Re: Region contracts expiring in 2018

Postby Campbelltown busboy » Fri Aug 09, 2019 5:54 pm

The leased bus thing I heard that it's buses built 2007 and later but there was a lot of 2005-2006 built VSTs transferred to Interline from Busabout with the region 2 contract when Interline took over all of region 2 in June 2014
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Re: Region contracts expiring in 2018

Postby Stu » Fri Aug 09, 2019 7:58 pm

^ The region based contract system commenced in 2005. There was a media release in mid 2006 that NSW state government would deliver over 1,000 contract buses to replace older buses - 505 for STA and 500 for private operators.

In my option I think that there may have been be a possiblity that there was a date set sometime in 2005 where by buses from that point onwards would be deemed as 'contract buses, if not 2005, then definitely buses delivered from 2006 onwards.
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Re: Region contracts expiring in 2018

Postby Campbelltown busboy » Sat Aug 10, 2019 7:06 pm

Stu wrote:^ The region based contract system commenced in 2005. There was a media release in mid 2006 that NSW state government would deliver over 1,000 contract buses to replace older buses - 505 for STA and 500 for private operators.

In my option I think that there may have been be a possiblity that there was a date set sometime in 2005 where by buses from that point onwards would be deemed as 'contract buses, if not 2005, then definitely buses delivered from 2006 onwards.
If that's the case then how can multiple contract holing operators like Transdev and STA get away with transfer contracted buses between regions for example Veolia transferred the full fleet of their 2009/2010 Volvo B7RLE Custom CB60 evo2 region 10 growth buses to Bankstown back in 2010 for the commencement of metrobus route M90
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