I guess the weekend cap will stay at 50% of weekday cap.boxythingy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 04, 2020 6:40 pm Here's hoping that the $8.05 weekend cap does not rise in line with inflation for at least until well after the recession ends and most people get back onto their two feet again. If the cap had been increased to $4 or $5, perhaps it would be tolerable if it rose $0.05 every two years or so.
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Are my calculations correct?
Train1 OP $2.52 + Bus1 OP $1.60 - $2.00 transfer discount within 1 hour = $2.12? 40c saving?
Train1 OP $2.52 + Bus1 OP $1.60 - $2.00 transfer discount within 1 hour = $2.12? 40c saving?
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Yes I think that is one of the anomalies
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This anomaly can be resolved after temporary -50% rate reverts back to -30% for off peak fares by raising the cap from $2.00 to a figure in line with inflation rises. I think it would be around $2.30 considering the number of instances that the former Sunday cap had increased.
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Not quite, with OP discount temporarily 50%, is now $1.80 + $1.60 - $2.00 = $1.40, although journey planner shows as costing $1.80.boxythingy wrote: ↑ Are my calculations correct?
Train1 OP $2.52 + Bus1 OP $1.60 - $2.00 transfer discount within 1 hour = $2.12? 40c saving?
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Oops sorry, the way the previous and current info was set out was confusing!
Regardless, the transfer discount is still $2.00 (Adult) , $1 for concessions, and both are reduced by 50% after fulfilling the first 8 journeys.
Confirmed speaking with someone on 131 500 after tedious menu selection process
I can see how all of the sudden some off peak buses will be nearing capacity because people will find out about this incentive sooner or later. This shows flaws in the official reasoning about "fairness" and keeping capacity in check through what is clearly nothing more but a fare rise!!! Keep calm and carry on working from home
Regardless, the transfer discount is still $2.00 (Adult) , $1 for concessions, and both are reduced by 50% after fulfilling the first 8 journeys.
Confirmed speaking with someone on 131 500 after tedious menu selection process
I can see how all of the sudden some off peak buses will be nearing capacity because people will find out about this incentive sooner or later. This shows flaws in the official reasoning about "fairness" and keeping capacity in check through what is clearly nothing more but a fare rise!!! Keep calm and carry on working from home
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Has anyone actually tried this? Maybe the system is clever enough to know what is happening and only refund $1.60 - the lesser of the two fares.
When the $2.00 was first introduced it was mentioned that the $2.00 was set so that it was equal or more than the lowest fare and the computer could be programmed to do that without giving it any publicity.
And in reply to boxythingy's second last post, once the discount goes back to 30%, there is no longer any problem so raising the $2.00 to $2.30 wont make any difference - I dont think that will happen.
So if the computer does not reduce the $2.00 while the lesser fare is less,the problem is only temporary, so the powers that be may not worry about it.
The fact that the journey planner shows $1.80 makes me think that the computer does reduce the $2.00 to $1.60 (the lesser of the two fares) in such circumstances, so that there is no problem.
When the $2.00 was first introduced it was mentioned that the $2.00 was set so that it was equal or more than the lowest fare and the computer could be programmed to do that without giving it any publicity.
And in reply to boxythingy's second last post, once the discount goes back to 30%, there is no longer any problem so raising the $2.00 to $2.30 wont make any difference - I dont think that will happen.
So if the computer does not reduce the $2.00 while the lesser fare is less,the problem is only temporary, so the powers that be may not worry about it.
The fact that the journey planner shows $1.80 makes me think that the computer does reduce the $2.00 to $1.60 (the lesser of the two fares) in such circumstances, so that there is no problem.
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Actually they have updated this today (with no advance warning/written statement prior to today)
https://transportnsw.info/tickets-opal/ ... en%20modes.
At least there still won't be any loss in maximum public transport usage as demonstrated by these poor timetabling decisions after two or more supposedly new timetable improvements and realignments:
Screenshot of Google webcacheWhile we are running the 50% discount for off-peak fares, some fares are below $2. If the second trip costs less than the $2 transfer discount, the discount will be capped at the second trip price.
In the event where a second trip’s transfer discount equals the cost of the second trip fare, there will be no discount on a third trip.
https://transportnsw.info/tickets-opal/ ... en%20modes.
At least there still won't be any loss in maximum public transport usage as demonstrated by these poor timetabling decisions after two or more supposedly new timetable improvements and realignments:
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Pretty much what I said before.
But interestingly they mention that if the "second" trip is less than $2.00 the discount will be reduced to the amount of that second trip. But what if the first trip is less than $2. I would assume it also applies there.
But interestingly they mention that if the "second" trip is less than $2.00 the discount will be reduced to the amount of that second trip. But what if the first trip is less than $2. I would assume it also applies there.
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If the second journey is below $2.00, the user is charged the first fare. E.g. a $1.80 train followed by a $1.60 bus, user pays $1.80, while if a $1.60 bus followed by $1.80 train, user is charged $1.60.
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That doesnt realy make sense. They should be charged the higher fare irrespective of which comes first.
It would be interesting to see what happens if the first is $1.60 and the second one exceeds $2.
It would be interesting to see what happens if the first is $1.60 and the second one exceeds $2.
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Adds the fares and deducts the $2 as expected.Fleet Lists wrote: ↑It would be interesting to see what happens if the first is $1.60 and the second one exceeds $2.
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Another rule to remember for the next three months: take a 0-3kn bus trip before boarding a train in the off-peak to receive a discount of 20 to 40 cents on the Adult fare.
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I am so confused. So there is a discount if it's bus then train, but not train and then bus?
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No -if the second trip is less than 2.00 irrespective whether it is train or bus, the transfer discount is reduced to the amount of the second trip. But if the first trip is less than $2.00 again irrespective whether it is bus or train, the transfer discount remains at $2.00
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Have they breached the maximum regulated fares for Bus1 and LightRail1?
https://www.ipart.nsw.gov.au/files/shar ... r-2019.pdf
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Add GST and you'll obtain the $3.20 for the 0 to 3 km band:boxythingy wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 10:55 pm Have they breached the maximum regulated fares for Bus1 and LightRail1?
https://www.ipart.nsw.gov.au/files/shar ... r-2019.pdf
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The great difficulty I have is trying to "determine whether schedule 1 applies" If it does not apply here and schedule 2 applies it leaves it more wide open to give it greater flexibility as it says in the preliminary note 3.
I find note 3 wide open to interpretation.
I find note 3 wide open to interpretation.
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I feel invisible sometimes:Fleet Lists wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 8:48 am The great difficulty I have is trying to "determine whether schedule 1 applies
If you dig into the definitions of the determination you can read that "Regulated Fares" are ex-GST, confirming swtt's assertion, which is a bit bizarre as the option to pay without GST isn't available to most of us but I suppose that allows for revenue to be protected should a GST-increase occur during the life of the determination. It really could be clearer though.I wrote: ↑Tue Jun 23, 2020 8:19 pm TfNSW claims in their pricing proposal the increase in the 0-3km bus and light rail is "aligned to the appropriate maximum fares as defined in Schedule 1 of the determination". IPART concurs that this is so in their fact sheet.
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Yeah this is what happened to me with one of my journeys on the weekend
Train $2.24 + bus 1.60. I was only charged the $2.24. The bus trip detail showed $3.20 with a discount of $3.20