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STA Observations - July to December 2018

Postby J_Busworth » Tue Jul 03, 2018 7:28 pm

I can't find a new STA obs thread so I'll start a new one.

I caught 353 today from Coogee to Bondi Junction. Got a Merc 0405NH Citaro and it really struggle up the Arden street hill, nearly stalling twice. surely this would be a good route for the VSTs, but I guess STA schedulers don't take route suitability into bus assignments.
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Re: STA Observations - July to December 2018

Postby burrumbus » Tue Jul 03, 2018 10:17 pm

Thanks for the post J Busworth.I do not think STA bus allocators take into account bus capacity compared to route demand,nor each bus types suitability for each route.
That's very much a product of the lack of patterning and thought in the STA bus and driver rostering practices.
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Re: STA Observations - July to December 2018

Postby swtt » Thu Jul 05, 2018 4:07 pm

The former 545 stop at Macq Centre towards Chatswood still has the old 545 TT and also route 545 showing - instead of route 259! :shock:
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Re: STA Observations - July to December 2018

Postby Richard290 » Thu Jul 05, 2018 6:27 pm

swtt wrote:The former 545 stop at Macq Centre towards Chatswood still has the old 545 TT and also route 545 showing - instead of route 259! :shock:

Also, there seems to be an error with the timetable sheet at Macquarie Centre Stand A - it includes timings for route 259 which doesn't actually stop at Stand A at all, I've actually seen route 259 depart from Stand B, the stop you are mentioning. I'm pretty sure the new (06/05/2018) routing of route 545 to Lachlan's Line also departs from Stand B as well along with its successor - 259 to Chatswood.
Seems TfNSW is a bit of a hit-and-miss when it comes to correctly updating stop information.
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Re: STA Observations - July to December 2018

Postby Fleet Lists » Thu Jul 05, 2018 6:51 pm

https://transportnsw.info/routes/detail ... /259/26259 shows Stand B for route 259
https://transportnsw.info/routes/detail ... /545/26545 also shows B from Parramatta and Stand D to Parramatta.

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Re: STA Observations - July to December 2018

Postby OKO » Fri Jul 06, 2018 7:17 am

The 545 in, to Lachlan's Line, is supposed to exit the Uni and make the stop at Macquarie University Station, Waterloo Rd, Macquarie Park, bypassing the Centre completely.
The 545 out, to Parramatta, uses stand A.
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Re: STA Observations - July to December 2018

Postby LongliveSTA » Sat Jul 07, 2018 5:16 am

burrumbus wrote:Thanks for the post J Busworth.I do not think STA bus allocators take into account bus capacity compared to route demand,nor each bus types suitability for each route.
That's very much a product of the lack of patterning and thought in the STA bus and driver rostering practices.

Actually I know from first hand experience, that the STA schedulers do take vehicle type into account. For example with the 353, the vast majority of trips are currently scheduled to use a VST, and not a gas bus. However sometimes with operational changes, a gas bus or two do end up on the 353!
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Re: STA Observations - July to December 2018

Postby Frosty » Sat Jul 07, 2018 12:34 pm

^P also the fleet 12.5m Volvo B12s now which can easily climb up Arden St, I've seen now the Volvo B12s be used late at night alongside the Bustech VSTs at P so its now longer VST only. Giving STA schedulers some credit they've rostered more bendies on the 393/395 and the L94 on weekends.
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Re: STA Observations - July to December 2018

Postby tonyp » Sat Jul 07, 2018 1:19 pm

LongliveSTA wrote:LONG LIVE STA, the best bus operator in AUSTRALIA!!!

Obviously you haven't ridden Transperth (the model for operational contracting) for starters. Love your username - and the snail logo is particularly apt. Good luck with that! :wink:
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Re: STA Observations - July to December 2018

Postby Stu » Sun Jul 08, 2018 4:33 pm

There is an Optare bodied bus with no rego plates at FOID Leichhardt.
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Re: STA Observations - July to December 2018

Postby Leyland B21 » Sun Jul 08, 2018 6:34 pm

tonyp wrote:
LongliveSTA wrote:LONG LIVE STA, the best bus operator in AUSTRALIA!!!

Obviously you haven't ridden Transperth (the model for operational contracting) for starters. Love your username - and the snail logo is particularly apt. Good luck with that! :wink:
They don't have it fully right. Some areas could use services later in the evenings but definitely have the operations down pat and something all states should be watching. Even Singapore used the model

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Re: STA Observations - July to December 2018

Postby boronia » Sun Jul 08, 2018 6:50 pm

LongliveSTA wrote:
burrumbus wrote:Thanks for the post J Busworth.I do not think STA bus allocators take into account bus capacity compared to route demand,nor each bus types suitability for each route.
That's very much a product of the lack of patterning and thought in the STA bus and driver rostering practices.

Actually I know from first hand experience, that the STA schedulers do take vehicle type into account. For example with the 353, the vast majority of trips are currently scheduled to use a VST, and not a gas bus. However sometimes with operational changes, a gas bus or two do end up on the 353!

To what extent? I know that the size of the bus would be specified for each run, and I experience a good mix of makes/models on my regular trips. And I've seen gassies struggling on the 353 many times.
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Re: STA Observations - July to December 2018

Postby Frosty » Sun Jul 08, 2018 9:50 pm

At least STA would specify for each run if the bus would be wheelchair accessible or not and there are other obvious things STA has to specify i.e. no bendy buses on any trip that goes through Eastgardens lower level.
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Re: STA Observations - July to December 2018

Postby tonyp » Mon Jul 09, 2018 6:20 am

Leyland B21 wrote:They don't have it fully right. Some areas could use services later in the evenings

Transperth told me that's because of funding.
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Re: STA Observations - July to December 2018

Postby Daniel » Mon Jul 09, 2018 7:37 am

Can we please just stick to everyday STA observations here please.
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Re: STA Observations - July to December 2018

Postby Stonesourscotty » Fri Jul 13, 2018 6:45 am

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Re: STA Observations - July to December 2018

Postby Swift » Sun Jul 15, 2018 4:19 pm

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Good to see these Volvos appearing on P runs to save the day from painful Scania monotony.
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Re: STA Observations - July to December 2018

Postby Frosty » Mon Jul 16, 2018 12:58 pm

SMH article on late running buses focusing on the worst running on-time bus the 370. https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/lat ... 4zphp.html
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Re: STA Observations - July to December 2018

Postby Michael Bamborough » Mon Jul 16, 2018 2:41 pm

Frosty wrote:SMH article on late running buses focusing on the worst running on-time bus the 370. https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/lat ... 4zphp.html


Y'know if the 370 is always gonna be this late why not just change the times of the services so its always gonna run slower due to heavy traffic on certain roads at certain times. That way the service wouldn't run so late cause the times would reflect on how its running right now.
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Re: STA Observations - July to December 2018

Postby Swift » Mon Jul 16, 2018 2:48 pm

Good to see at least one passenger blaming the right thing for the chronic lateness. Most seem to squarely put blame on you know who.
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Re: STA Observations - July to December 2018

Postby boronia » Tue Jul 17, 2018 6:14 am

Michael Bamborough wrote:
Frosty wrote:SMH article on late running buses focusing on the worst running on-time bus the 370. https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/lat ... 4zphp.html


Y'know if the 370 is always gonna be this late why not just change the times of the services so its always gonna run slower due to heavy traffic on certain roads at certain times. That way the service wouldn't run so late cause the times would reflect on how its running right now.

That is an obvious solution, with a couple of problems.

1. They will need more buses/drivers to maintain the same frequency.
2. As traffic is not predictable, on a quiet day the service could get ahead of table, and then have to drive very slowly and/or sit at stops to play catch up.

Think about the backlash when the trains had their running times extended.
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Re: STA Observations - July to December 2018

Postby Swift » Tue Jul 17, 2018 3:46 pm

Only answer: override the RMS and ram in bus priority at key spots.
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Re: STA Observations - July to December 2018

Postby tonyp » Tue Jul 17, 2018 4:21 pm

Swift wrote:Only answer: override the RMS and ram in bus priority at key spots.

According to this comment on the article, RMS doesn't need to be overridden. The responsibility rests with TfNSW itself:

This article contains incorrect information. ALL buses in the Sydney metro have the capability to request an intersection to turn green sooner or potentially stay green longer WITHOUT the need to install any hardware on the bus. The reason being is the request for a green light is done in the backoffice of TfNSW and not by the bus itself. How do I know this? Because I worked on the project called PTIPS. One of the issues is a minority of intersections have priority capability configured on them so PTIPS is only able to request priority for a small number of intersections. The SCATS team in TfNSW need to rollout priority for ALL intersections sooner rather than later to help improve bus service.
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Re: STA Observations - July to December 2018

Postby Frosty » Tue Jul 17, 2018 7:07 pm

Swift wrote:Only answer: override the RMS and ram in bus priority at key spots.


Along much of the 370 route it runs on single or double lane roads. Main traffic hotspots placing bus priority wouldn’t be practical I.e through Green Square, King St.

UberPool & On demand services would work far better than the 370 it would mean people can get from point A to B more directly.
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Re: STA Observations - July to December 2018

Postby Swift » Tue Jul 17, 2018 8:05 pm

It should be cancelled if there is no way to fix on time running. It can't continue the way it's going, if for no other reason the complaints it attracts.
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