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Re: Sydney Trains stations upgrade

Postby Engineering » Tue Feb 19, 2019 6:33 pm

NSW auditor report on (amongst other things) the process used by Transport NSW for determining which stations get upgrades.

https://www.audit.nsw.gov.au/our-work/r ... ss-program
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Re: Sydney Trains stations upgrade

Postby tonyp » Wed Feb 20, 2019 8:01 am

Engineering wrote:NSW auditor report on (amongst other things) the process used by Transport NSW for determining which stations get upgrades.

https://www.audit.nsw.gov.au/our-work/r ... ss-program

It's good that the report mentions the number of the NSW population with formal disabilities, on top of which there are more who aren't registered disabled but have mobility issues, usually but not entirely related to age - all amounting to some 20% of the population. The approach so far is only minimum standard compliance and that is of course the necessary first step, but there is no mention of a longer-term objective of completely stepless public transport, including buses with stepless gangways and minimising use of double deck trains by having greater service frequency and longer trains instead. Compliant accessible train station platforms and bus stops is also a major issue.
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Re: Sydney Trains stations upgrade

Postby Linto63 » Wed Feb 20, 2019 9:06 am

tonyp wrote:
Engineering wrote:... including buses with stepless gangways and minimising use of double deck trains by having greater service frequency and longer trains instead.
Don't buses all have ramps now, or will by 2022 when all must be low floor? Don't know how we are going to minimise the use of double deck trains, when they make up 100% of the fleet.
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Re: Sydney Trains stations upgrade

Postby tonyp » Wed Feb 20, 2019 9:27 am

Linto63 wrote:Don't buses all have ramps now, or will by 2022 when all must be low floor? Don't know how we are going to minimise the use of double deck trains, when they make up 100% of the fleet.

What I'm referring to is that a large number of bus stops are not up to standard for accessibility, which can also mean that it is difficult to gain access even by the ramp. In terms of a barrier-free floor inside the bus, there is only a minimum standard in force now and in many buses that has a poor outcome (i.e. an inadequate proportion of stepless gangway).

In the long term, as the city's popuation becomes huge, I think double deckers will be phased out of suburban service because they're too inefficient. The emphasis will be on more higher-capacity trains at closer headways.
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Re: Sydney Trains stations upgrade

Postby boronia » Wed Feb 20, 2019 10:38 am

Linto63 wrote:Don't buses all have ramps now, or will by 2022 when all must be low floor? Don't know how we are going to minimise the use of double deck trains, when they make up 100% of the fleet.

The first batch of Orana bodies weren't even low floor, and the first low floors aren't w/a?
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Re: Sydney Trains stations upgrade

Postby moa999 » Wed Feb 20, 2019 3:19 pm

Edgecliff Gallery to Bus Interchange has now opened.

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For the station paid area, the main lift shaft seems complete and from the latest newsletter the moved escalator should be installed.
Looks like PIDs and gate line moves in the next few weeks with some markings on the floor.
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Re: Sydney Trains stations upgrade

Postby TSE_SecretAni » Thu Feb 21, 2019 2:39 pm

The lift between platform and concourse is not open yet. The install lift between platform and concourse should be complete by early March.
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Re: Sydney Trains stations upgrade

Postby Transport Buff » Fri Feb 22, 2019 4:41 pm

Hazelbrook Station is now in process of being upgraded. They have already put up some blue fences/barracading where the lift will be and infront of the main staircase. This was done last weekend during the trackwork period. (16-17 Feb)
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Re: Sydney Trains stations upgrade

Postby moa999 » Wed Feb 27, 2019 1:18 am

And the big one (well after Central Walk) (with a big cost) - $100m for Redfern
https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/red ... 510ba.html
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Re: Sydney Trains stations upgrade

Postby Engineering » Wed Feb 27, 2019 6:10 am

moa999 wrote:And the big one (well after Central Walk) (with a big cost) - $100m for Redfern
https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/red ... 510ba.html


Unclear if the positioning of the stairs will be the same as the original pedestrian bridge (which was a good 50+ m south of the end of the platform) or at the end of the platform. Nothing on transport NSW railway access page, obviously a ministerial propaganda election promise prior to release on the proper channels.
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Re: Sydney Trains stations upgrade

Postby PaulSEO » Wed Feb 27, 2019 7:31 am

This is good news, but note with 6 sets of stairs and lifts, this implies that the Eastern Suburbs and Illawarra lines, stopping at platforms 11 and 12 underground, won't have access to this new footbridge and concourse. Understandably as this may substantially increase the cost.
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Re: Sydney Trains stations upgrade

Postby moa999 » Wed Feb 27, 2019 2:44 pm

Function of the alignment. T4 runs south effectively down Gibbons St.

Would still think that you could create a southern exit for the T4 then have an unpaid path along Gibbons Park to connect to the new main concourse.

Anyone know if this was allowed for in the original design for 11-14?
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Re: Sydney Trains stations upgrade

Postby TSE_SecretAni » Fri Mar 01, 2019 4:43 pm

Transport for NSW announced: 68 more train stations to receive access upgrade.

Previously announced station upgrades for

- Rooty Hill
- Edgecliff
- Millthorpe
- North Strathfield
- Kingswood
- Hazelbrook
- Wyee
- Blayney
- Clarendon
- Hawkesbury River
- Wahroonga
- Taree
- Roseville
- Glenbrook
- Beecorft
- Como
- Bexley North
- Fairy Meadow
- Petersham
- Waratah

Additional station upgrades for
- Warrawee
- Canley Vale
- Birrong
- Dapto
- Wollstonecraft
- St Peters
- Blackheath
- Yagoona
- Banksia
- Ourimbah
- Lisarow
- Niagara Park
- Narara
- Lapstone
- Waitara
- Faulconbridge
- Towradgi
- Erskineville
- Pymble
- Stanmore
- Pont Clare
- Tuggerah
- East Hills
- Denistone
- Goulburn
- Normanhurst
- Thornleigh
- Bellami
- Dubbo
- Armidale
- Griffith
- Moore
- Queanbeyan
- Grafton
- Narrabri
- Parkes
- Gunnedah
- Casino
- Wauchope
- Redfern
- Moss Vale
- Unanderra

Currently non-accessible stations being upgraded by Sydney Metro for
- Dulwich Hill
- Hurlstone Park
- Canterbury
- Wiley Park
- Punchbowl
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Re: Sydney Trains stations upgrade

Postby grog » Fri Mar 01, 2019 7:53 pm

Since caretaker mode started today this is a party political announcement by the minister, as anything from now until election day has to be. Not that this means it wasn’t developed by Transport for NSW, just that it isn’t a Transport for NSW announcement.

https://www.transport.nsw.gov.au/news-a ... -commenced
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Re: Sydney Trains stations upgrade

Postby Campbelltown busboy » Sun Mar 03, 2019 7:59 am

Macquarie Fields is the most forgotten station on the suburban network the statoon doesn’t even have platform PID screens they are still using the old manual next train borads and there isn’t and lift access to the overhead foot bridge to get between platforms
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Re: Sydney Trains stations upgrade

Postby STMPainter2018 » Sun Mar 03, 2019 1:38 pm

Campbelltown busboy wrote:Macquarie Fields is the most forgotten station on the suburban network the statoon doesn’t even have platform PID screens they are still using the old manual next train boards and there isn’t and lift access to the overhead foot bridge to get between platforms


I think the boards have actually been removed now; I've seen them at the Glenfield Network Base, which is located at the East Hills line Junction.
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Re: Sydney Trains stations upgrade

Postby TSE_SecretAni » Sun Mar 03, 2019 2:00 pm

Campbelltown busboy wrote:Macquarie Fields is the most forgotten station on the suburban network the statoon doesn’t even have platform PID screens they are still using the old manual next train borads and there isn’t and lift access to the overhead foot bridge to get between platforms



Macquarie Fields have PID screens. But yes Macquarie Fields station is the most forgotten the station on suburban network.

Carramar, Villawood, Leightonfield and Chester Hill is also forgotten station on the suburban network...
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Re: Sydney Trains stations upgrade

Postby lunchbox » Tue May 28, 2019 11:49 am

TransportforNSW is inviting comment on its (limited detail) proposal for Redfern's "New Southern Concourse". Comment closes Sunday 2/6/19. Submissions to -
projects@transport.nsw.gov.au
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Re: Sydney Trains stations upgrade

Postby lunchbox » Tue May 28, 2019 11:58 am

[quote="moa999"]Anyone know if this was allowed for in the original design for 11-14[/quote]
No provision was made for access stairs at the southern end of Redfern platforms 11 & 12. Note how narrow the platforms are at that point. Provision was made, however, for access from the 11/12 northern stairs to future platform 14, which accounts for the rather large intermediate landing on those stairs.
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Re: Sydney Trains stations upgrade

Postby boronia » Tue May 28, 2019 12:07 pm

lunchbox wrote:TransportforNSW is inviting comment on its (limited detail) proposal for Redfern's "New Southern Concourse". Comment closes Sunday 2/6/19. Submissions to -
projects@transport.nsw.gov.au

https://www.transport.nsw.gov.au/projects/current-projects/redfern-station-upgrade-new-southern-concourse
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Re: Sydney Trains stations upgrade

Postby neilrex » Fri May 31, 2019 3:45 pm

tonyp wrote:
Linto63 wrote:Don't buses all have ramps now, or will by 2022 when all must be low floor? Don't know how we are going to minimise the use of double deck trains, when they make up 100% of the fleet.

What I'm referring to is that a large number of bus stops are not up to standard for accessibility, which can also mean that it is difficult to gain access even by the ramp. In terms of a barrier-free floor inside the bus, there is only a minimum standard in force now and in many buses that has a poor outcome (i.e. an inadequate proportion of stepless gangway).

In the long term, as the city's popuation becomes huge, I think double deckers will be phased out of suburban service because they're too inefficient. The emphasis will be on more higher-capacity trains at closer headways.



Yes, good luck re-constructing 80% of Sydney streets so none of them have high cambers and regular gutters.
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Re: Sydney Trains stations upgrade

Postby neilrex » Fri May 31, 2019 4:01 pm

boronia wrote:
lunchbox wrote:TransportforNSW is inviting comment on its (limited detail) proposal for Redfern's "New Southern Concourse". Comment closes Sunday 2/6/19. Submissions to -
projects@transport.nsw.gov.au

https://www.transport.nsw.gov.au/projects/current-projects/redfern-station-upgrade-new-southern-concourse


The website this links to, is rather strange.

The photo seems to be of the existing arrangement, there is no "artist impression" of the new arrangement. There is an invisble button which I clicked on by accident. It shows a map. Its quite unclear what the big orange lines on the map are supposed to be. It is unclear whether the direction of Ivy Lane is the actual pedestrian direction towards Sydney University.

This new concourse is not the same location as the historic western entrance to the station which was beyond the western end of all of the platforms.

Are the tracks at plaform 9 and 10 actually used any more ?
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Re: Sydney Trains stations upgrade

Postby Aurora » Fri May 31, 2019 7:46 pm

neilrex wrote:Are the tracks at plaform 9 and 10 actually used any more ?

Of course they are, they are the main suburban access into Eveleigh.
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Re: Sydney Trains stations upgrade

Postby TSE_SecretAni » Tue Jul 16, 2019 4:51 pm

Edgecliff station between concourse and platform has been completed for lift. Hopefully the lift will open by early August


Please find the link for Edgecliff station upgrade community notification July 2019: https://www.transport.nsw.gov.au/system ... 20WCAG.pdf
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Re: Sydney Trains stations upgrade

Postby TSE_SecretAni » Wed Jul 17, 2019 5:24 pm

Edgecliff station has been now completed
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