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Indian Pacific

Postby boronia » Fri Aug 25, 2017 7:58 pm

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When the explorers Blaxland, Wentworth and Lawson crossed the Blue Mountains in 1813, in search for more grazing land for the young Sydney colony, they discovered what Australia's Aboriginal people had known for millennia: it's a big, beautiful country out there.

Nowadays that big country is crossed from coast to coast by the Indian Pacific train, as it threads 4352km from Sydney to Perth. Though the Blue Mountains to Sydney's west seemed a barrier for the early colonists, they're now a highlight for passengers aboard the train as it makes its way through their lofty splendour.

From April 2018, there'll be an extra Blue Mountains bonus for those travelling east from Perth to Sydney: on the final day of their epic rail journey, they'll have the option of a taking a tour off the train into the beautiful heart of the World Heritage-listed mountain range.

All Off Train Excursions on the Indian Pacific are included in the fare, as is its excellent food and beverage service, which often draws on ingredients from the regions through which the train is travelling. Off Train Excursions extend the relaxed social feeling that's shared by guests as they swap stories and enjoy the passing scenery in the train's onboard lounge.

Guests will join the new Blue Mountains tour after breakfast, when they'll disembark the train at Mount Victoria station and transfer via coach to Scenic World. This Katoomba facility offers three ways to experience the beauty of the mountains: Railway, Cableway and Skyway.

The Scenic World railway is billed as the steepest passenger service in the world, as it descends at a sharp 52 degree angle via a cliffside tunnel, into ancient rainforest at the Jamison Valley floor. At the bottom, there's a scenic walkway through the trees.

An alternative way to descend is the Cableway, a cable car which travels 510m down to the valley. En route there are great views of striking sights such as Orphan Rock, Mount Solitary and the Katoomba Falls.

The third option, the Skyway, is another cable car that travels at a height of 270m above ancient ravines, with all-around views of the mountains and their features. Its most spectacular aspect is a section of glass flooring which reveals all that lies below.

Once the Indian Pacific guests have enjoyed these scenic transports, they'll have the choice of being transferred or stretching their legs and walking along the Prince Henry Cliff Walk to Echo Point Lookout. This is the ideal spot from which to admire the Three Sisters, a set of weathered sandstone peaks which is an icon of the Blue Mountains.

How to cap off a morning's wealth of natural beauty? With morning tea, of course, no doubt something those early explorers enjoyed here too. Then it's a chartered train back for the final run from Katoomba station down toward the Pacific coast and journey's end: Sydney Central station.

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Re: Indian Pacific

Postby Tonymercury » Sat Aug 26, 2017 7:13 am

A chartered V set from Katoomba?
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Re: Indian Pacific

Postby Linto63 » Sat Aug 26, 2017 7:47 pm

More likely the coach used picked up at Mount Victoria will then continue down to Sydney.
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Re: Indian Pacific

Postby Fleet Lists » Sat Aug 26, 2017 9:01 pm

Not what it says in the article.
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Re: Indian Pacific

Postby Tonymercury » Sun Aug 27, 2017 5:34 am

Linto63 wrote:More likely the coach used picked up at Mount Victoria will then continue down to Sydney.



Did you read the item?
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Re: Indian Pacific

Postby boronia » Sun Aug 27, 2017 8:13 am

When I read the article, I was left wondering if the wording was correct.

The logistics of the IP arriving in Sydney without some of its passengers, but (presumably) with all their personal effects still on board, would be interesting.
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Re: Indian Pacific

Postby Free Lance » Sun Aug 27, 2017 11:49 am

This leads to the assumption that any passengers who detrain at Mt Vic would remove all personal items from their allotted cabins (thus allowing staff extra time to prepare said cabins for the return journey.) All "booked" luggage would (we assume) be held at Sydney Terminal for collection at a convenient time (for staff).
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Re: Indian Pacific

Postby Ray » Mon Aug 28, 2017 4:35 pm

Random question - does the Blue Mountains line ever get so high up that you can see the ocean from the train, in the distance back to the east? I remember seeing a bit of the harbour from the mountains at one point from the train, but not sure if it was the open sea.
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Re: Indian Pacific

Postby tonyp » Mon Aug 28, 2017 5:20 pm

Ray wrote:Random question - does the Blue Mountains line ever get so high up that you can see the ocean from the train, in the distance back to the east? I remember seeing a bit of the harbour from the mountains at one point from the train, but not sure if it was the open sea.

It was said in the early days of the colony that the South head signal station could be seen from the upper mountains and even today you can see the city from Wentworth Falls from my own observation.

The difference from the early 19th century is the sewer of gunk (to which diesel buses contribute :wink: ) floating above Sydney which usually makes it difficult to discern any fine details and sometimes none at all.
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Re: Indian Pacific

Postby Centralian » Mon Aug 28, 2017 5:24 pm

If you stare hard enough you can see anything - but no is the answer from my nearly 40 years up here. When we get water views I'd be worried.

I should add that in 1870 it is reported that from a certain high point in Wentworth Falls the sails of ships in Sydney Harbour could be seen, probably with the aid of a telescope of sorts.
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Re: Indian Pacific

Postby Ray » Mon Aug 28, 2017 5:31 pm

thanks guys....I figured that if I can see the mountains from my office in the city, vice versa would also be true...but guess it depends on whereabouts in the mountains.
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Re: Indian Pacific

Postby tonyp » Mon Aug 28, 2017 5:48 pm

Ray wrote:thanks guys....I figured that if I can see the mountains from my office in the city, vice versa would also be true...but guess it depends on whereabouts in the mountains.

Well it's like this conundrum:

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You can spot the city from the giraffe, but danged if you can spot that giraffe from the city. :)
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Re: Indian Pacific

Postby Liamena » Tue Aug 29, 2017 9:52 am

In ideal conditions, Botany Bay is visible from Wentworth Falls. But the height of the land along the rest of the coast blocks the view of the actual sea.
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Re: Indian Pacific

Postby Ray » Tue Aug 29, 2017 11:19 am

Thanks Liamena, that would explain the blue I saw on the horizon when I last travelled on this line.

I also tried to look East towards the Heads, but all I saw was a giraffe. Odd.
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Re: Indian Pacific

Postby GeoffreyHansen » Mon Sep 04, 2017 3:06 pm

I have watched the IP for many years but I never imagined that it would one day stop at Mount Victoria.
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Re: Indian Pacific

Postby boronia » Sat Sep 16, 2017 3:45 pm

Getting passengers off there would take nearly a whole day.
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