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Re: [LR] Extra tram services to help ease crowding

Postby Linto63 » Thu Oct 05, 2017 6:16 am

The annoying thing about the displays at Central and Dulwich Hill line is that it states when the next tram is due in and not out. When it does arrive it then states it is due out in 1 minute, when often if sits there for a fair bit longer.
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Re: [LR] Extra tram services to help ease crowding

Postby tonyp » Thu Oct 05, 2017 6:27 am

Linto63 wrote:The annoying thing about the displays at Central and Dulwich Hill line is that it states when the next tram is due in and not out. When it does arrive it then states it is due out in 1 minute, when often if sits there for a fair bit longer.

Due in and due out should be the same time at an intermediate (non-terminus or interchange) stop. The stop dwell should be no more than in the range 10-30 seconds even with a crowd. (Yeah OK we know about the "door problem" in NSW, but even so ...)
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Re: [LR] Extra tram services to help ease crowding

Postby neilrex » Thu Oct 05, 2017 12:09 pm

tonyp wrote:Some are unable to walk.

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Well they will just have to be patient then, won't they.

Meanwhile, if some people are not travelling far along the route, and can see the tram won't be coming for 14 minutes, and decide to walk, then that leave more space on the next tram for people who can't or don't want to walk instead.
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Re: [LR] Extra tram services to help ease crowding

Postby tonyp » Thu Oct 05, 2017 12:26 pm

neilrex wrote:
Well they will just have to be patient then, won't they.

Meanwhile, if some people are not travelling far along the route, and can see the tram won't be coming for 14 minutes, and decide to walk, then that leave more space on the next tram for people who can't or don't want to walk instead.

Which is all the more reason for the tram to be visible in the journey planner. Anyway my feedback has gone to TfNSW and they're looking at it. Countdown timers are also essential for the same reason.
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Re: [LR] Extra tram services to help ease crowding

Postby Michael Bamborough » Wed Oct 11, 2017 12:28 am

They really need to purchase extra trams at least 4 new ones. And have the inner west tram line operate every 6 minutes on peak hours, every 7-8 minutes on off-peaks & weekends. And every 10 minutes on evenings. Services would run faster if boarding in/out doesn't take long due to overcrowding issues.
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Re: [LR] Extra tram services to help ease crowding

Postby tonyp » Wed Oct 11, 2017 6:28 am

Michael Bamborough wrote:They really need to purchase extra trams at least 4 new ones. And have the inner west tram line operate every 6 minutes on peak hours, every 7-8 minutes on off-peaks & weekends. And every 10 minutes on evenings. Services would run faster if boarding in/out doesn't take long due to overcrowding issues.

They're limited by the single track stub terminus at Dulwich Hill (and the apparent inability to timetable some services to short-work). The more efficient Gold Coast line has been using single track termini temporarily (pending extensions) and it manages 7.5 minute headways at best. IWLR would not need so may extra trams if it speeded up the journey time and shortened dwells in crowds by ordering trams with the full complement of 6 doors that this tram type has as standard instead of deleting doors off the specification. (What is this allergy to doors that NSW has with all its public transport modes nowadays?)
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Re: [LR] Extra tram services to help ease crowding

Postby burrumbus » Wed Oct 11, 2017 8:45 am

It's not only doors tony that TFNSW has an allergy to.It's a very conservative view of a one size all fits all services mindset.A theory of thats how it's been done for the last 70 years and that's how it will stay.
No thought put in that each service is different and needs different approaches in route management and vehicle speccing to make that service successful.
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Re: [LR] Extra tram services to help ease crowding

Postby Ben_Daui » Wed Jan 24, 2018 3:36 pm

Just oberseved the front 2 cars set number unknown on the back of a semi heading eastbound on the M7.
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Re: [LR] Extra tram services to help ease crowding

Postby moa999 » Wed Jan 24, 2018 6:00 pm

Ben_Daui wrote:Just oberseved the front 2 cars set number unknown on the back of a semi heading eastbound on the M7.
Sure it wasn't Canberra or Newcastle CAF trams. Both are identical and very similar paint schemes
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Re: [LR] Extra tram services to help ease crowding

Postby Ben_Daui » Wed Jan 24, 2018 6:09 pm

moa999 wrote:
Ben_Daui wrote:Just oberseved the front 2 cars set number unknown on the back of a semi heading eastbound on the M7.
Sure it wasn't Canberra or Newcastle CAF trams. Both are identical and very similar paint schemes

It was definitely a Variotram, I recognised the nice flat front end compared to the ugly CAF front end.
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Re: [LR] Extra tram services to help ease crowding

Postby boronia » Wed Jan 24, 2018 7:28 pm

Could be 2107, which I understand has been acquired by the Tram Museum?
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Re: [LR] Extra tram services to help ease crowding

Postby Ben_Daui » Thu Jan 25, 2018 5:48 pm

They are being broken up for scrap, RP thread has the info:https://www.railpage.com.au/f-t11395869-s25.htm
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Re: [LR] Extra tram services to help ease crowding

Postby tonyp » Fri Jan 26, 2018 8:17 am

TfNSW has somewhat undermined their business case for getting rid of the Variotrams. Originally they argued that it was worth getting rid of half-life trams because of the money they would get selling them to another operator and because the new CAFs would only cost $2 million each. Fast forward and we find that the CAFs actually cost over $4 million each and the Variotrams are fetching a pittance for scrap.

Of course nothing surprises with TfNSW. It's only us taxpayers' money. They still get to take home the same salaries, why should it bother them? One can only live in hope that one day somebody will drain the swamp.
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Re: [LR] Extra tram services to help ease crowding

Postby Ben_Daui » Fri Feb 02, 2018 9:40 pm

Observed another front car on the back of a semi on the M7 exiting at Sunnyholt Road eastbound this afternoon.
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