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https://www.busways.com.au/news-items/c ... -september
Cooee Busways Rural and Regional trial will end on Friday 20 September

Cooee Busways trial

The innovative trial of On Demand transport in NSW’s north coast region will end on Friday 20 September.

Cooee Busways Rural and Regional launched on January 16, 2019. The overarching objective of the On Demand program is to test and learn through the delivery of temporary pilots, with each one serving different communities in NSW.

Cooee Busways set out to trial transport solutions for the isolated areas of Aldavilla, Coramba, Crossmaglen, Thrumster and Upper Rollands Plains.

The service utilised existing school buses, between school drop-off and pick-up times, to provide a transport service where there are currently service gaps, testing this as a solution for regional areas.

On Demand Transport is expected to feature in future contracts all over the state with learnings from the pilots to inform Transport for NSW’s planning, procurement and delivery of future transport services, with a view of improving customer outcomes.
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burrumbus wrote:Has anyone seen the Interline on demand Edmonson Park service in action??
I have heard some stories that the service is carrying quite reasonable numbers.
It ,on paper ,operates in an area with good potential.Especially with the emphasis on peak hour connections with the train into a compact geographical area.
I have not seen this before, but I may have missed it but the $2 transfer refund applies if transferring between an Interline route trip and an Interline on demand service.
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Any Opal service according to the page you linked rather than only Interline route services, or Opal bus and train trips according to the help page. The transfer credit is only available to those who jump through the necessary hoops to register and pay for trips with their Opal card. See the On demand credit help page for details.

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Mo it applies to Edmondson Park only - heading is "Edmondson Park On Demand service"
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I could just post this in the Newcastle Transport thread but feel it's more relevant here

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Looks like Newcastle Transports on Demand service is finally expanding to Newcastle CBD and Inner city Newcastle suburbs as part of an trial. I can't find much information on this yet as Newcastle Transports website isn't up to date and I could only find a recent article from the Herald but it's paywalled. When this trial will launch I don't know, I'm just as in the dark at the moment as anyone else. I suppose I could give it a try when it get's up and running and let yous know how it goes.

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The second part pertinent to this thread:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-10-06/ ... s/11576000
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https://www.transport.nsw.gov.au/news-a ... ying-moree
Request for proposals: On Demand service staying in Moree
Published17 Oct 2019
A permanent On Demand service will be established in Moree to provide transport solutions for local residents and visitors, following a successful trial.

The NSW Government has announced that a Request for Proposals (RFP) will soon be released for the new On Demand Public Transport service in Moree, calling for transport operators to submit proposals that provide improved customer outcomes and value for money.

A Transport for NSW spokesperson said the On Demand Public Transport trial proved to be extremely popular among the Moree community, with both residents and visitors jumping aboard.

“Customers have embraced the On Demand trial in Moree and this is great news for the community that a service will be established to provide greater flexibility and mobility for customers on an ongoing basis.” A TfNSW spokesperson said.

“More than 33,000 passenger trips have been delivered since we launched the trial, with around 5,000 customers using the service per month.”

Since the Moree On Demand pilot was launched in November 2018, two extensions have been granted, enabling the pilot to run through until early 2020.

“We’re now looking for a transport operator to lead the implementation of a new ongoing On Demand service to provide reliable, more economic choice for customers to providing residents with access to key health, retail, educational and social services.”

The RFP is expected to be released next week.
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The on demand service in the Kuringgai-Macquarie Park area seems to have firstly retreated to only service areas west of the Pacific Highway, and then retreated again to only service areas west of the Lane Cove River.

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Is this the map you are referring to? This seems to have reduced service between 10am and 3 pm
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so I have been experimenting with the trip planner to find out how to travel from Gordon to 37 Epping Road North Ryde, which for any of you who are NOT north ryde postmen, is the Officeworks store on Epping Road between Wicks Road and Delhi Road.

Among the sensible and less sensible trip planner suggestions, there are some quite bizarre suggestions including the Keoride service which it calls D506.

The default option would be train from Gordon to Chatswood ( making a quite bogus distinction between \t1 and T9, then metro to North Ryde station and then walk 12 minutes.

You can take the 197 from Gordon towards Macquarie Centre, and change at the stop near Mcdonalds on Lane Cove Road to the 292, and get off that before Wicks Road and walk what trip planner claims is 3 minutes. Oddly, there is no bus stop in the long block from Wicks Road to Delhi Road, even though there is a pedestrian bridge which would enable both inbound and outbound commuters to cross Epping Road, there are no bus stops near it. Thousands of new appartments and a whole new street, but no bus stops.

Or, you can walk 6 minutes towards Killara and catch the Keoride on the Pacific Highway opposite Ravenswood school. Not sure how that works on the clearway with no bus stop. I also don't know how trip planner thinks it knows when the "on demand" van will be there. This will take you to Foxtel Park which is adjacent to Macquarie Park railway station. Its a 15 minute , one km walk from there to Officeworks. That's as close as you can go. The Keoride map and blurb show their central area covering all the land between the M2 and Epping Road, down to Delhi Road, but they don't apparently service any of that land south of Macquarie Park station.

Or, you can catch a bus from Gordon, either a Macquarie Centre or a West Pymble service, and get out at the bottom of the big gully about 700 metres south of the Pacific Highway on Ryde Road, cross 6 lanes of speeding traffic, and get the Keoride in Cross St West Pymble. It's not obvious how a van going in the direction towards Macquarie Park could be caught from there, but that's trip planners instruction.

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I also looked at travelling from Bridge St, Pymble, to North Ryde Officeworks. Bridge St is the small commercial precinct near the corner of Ryde Road and the Pacific Highway.

Oddly, trip planner did not suggest walking to either Pymble nor Gordon, and taking the T1+metro to North Ryde.

The first suggestion was to walk down to Ryde Road, and catch the Keoride next to the Shell petrol station. That would seem to be the wrong side of Ryde Road for any journey towards Macquarie Park. Zoom in the map, quite clear it expects you to stay on the northbound side of Ryde Road. Not sure how that is supposed to work.

Second suggestion is to walk halfway towards Pymble Stn, cross the Pacific Highway and catch the 575 from Hornsby towards Macquarie University. And then get off and switch to the Keoride at Gordon West Public School.

Third suggestion is to walk 11 minutes from Bridge Street towards Gordon and catch the Keoride near Merriwa Street. At least that is an actual bus stop, the 197 uses it. This trip would allegedly take 37 minutes, of which 26 minutes would be walking. 11 to the first stop plus 15 minutes from the last stop. 11 minutes driving from the Pacific ighway to "Foxtel Park" at 17:30 seems ambitious.

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If the "on demand" service actually has fixed stops and fixed times, then perhaps it would be better to actually publish those, instead of trip planner proposing cockamamie schemes involving three buses to make a 7 km trip, which involves a couple of 1 km walks at the beginning and end of the trip, and if the whole scheme does not work like clockwork you get stuck in the middle of nowhere.

The 197+292 looks OK, except both of those services are only half hourly, so the risk of a very long connection is high.

No wonder people drive everywhere

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It sounds easier to find another Officeworks store! Can't believe there are no bus stops near that pedestrian bridge on Epping Rd, but there's Sydney bus service planning for you. Likely the old RMS didn't allow it so as not to impede traffic flow.
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Trip Planner seems to use its algorithms and data to calculate the quickest trip between two points, not necessarily the most logical.

Typical of this is a bus trip from Maroubra to Leichhardt. It is likely to advise catching a 393/395 to Railway Square, then a m10 or other service from there. This is despite the m10 covering the entire distance; the diversion through Taylor Square adds enough time for a following 393/5 to get to RS quicker.
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https://transportnsw.info/news/2019/eas ... 0-december
Eastern Suburbs On Demand trial to end 20 December

Monday 02 December 2019
A trial of On Demand services in the Eastern Suburbs will come to an end on 20 December.

The Eastern Suburbs On Demand trial was conducted to connect customers between Bondi, North Bondi, Dover Heights and the Rose Bay ferry.

The service, operated by Transit Systems using BRIDJ technology, was launched in August 2018. The trial tested flexible and easy ways for customers to connect to other public transport and essential services such as shops, beaches and medical appointments.

Existing bus services will continue to operate in the area. Plan your trip to see your travel options.
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marcnut1996 wrote:https://transportnsw.info/news/2019/eas ... 0-december
Eastern Suburbs On Demand trial to end 20 December
The service, operated by Transit Systems using BRIDJ technology, was launched in August 2018. The trial tested flexible and easy ways for customers to connect to other public transport and essential services such as shops, beaches and medical appointments.
Great for accessing the beach.. if you like swimming overnight on weekdays only (it is advertised operating FROM Bondi in the morning, and TO Bondi in the afternoon).

Great for connecting to other public transport... but without integrated fares...

The text is pure media office spin of course, but really this service was targeted at commuters... who aren't even mentioned in the text. Says it all really about much of the On Demand offerings - this isn't a serious public transport proposition, but a purely politically driven and fact-free thought bubble that somehow still keeps floating, although its getting closer and closer to earth...

I do love how its advertised for customers to "meet us at the pickup point most convenient to you". Most of us call "pickup points" a bus stop.

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NW commuters were begging for on-demand services in order to access the metro during that initial period when the badly-planned bus feeder system didn't come to the party. I haven't heard whether this has changed since the revisions to the bus services.
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Of the various on demand bus schemes launched, how many still survive? Does appear that at the moment there is not the demand.

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Opendata (you have to log in) gives spreadsheets of most past and present on demand buses and patronage. Northern Beaches is doing very well in terms of patronage of about 15,000-16,000 per month. Second best in list 1 is Moree with around 5,000, and second best in list 1 in Sydney is Macquarie Park, just below 5,000.

Second best in NSW/Sydney is actually The Ponds service of around 8,000 to 9,000, but this is in list 2.

List 1: https://opendata.transport.nsw.gov.au/d ... -patronage (most but does not have NorthWest and Inner West)
List 2: https://opendata.transport.nsw.gov.au/d ... -patronage (North West on demand)
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The Ponds doesn't surprise in terms of aformentioned grievances. Indeed a lot of people there would like it to be expanded further NW - a long way NW! At least until some decent route bus services appear on the scene. Maybe this will come as Box Hill develops.
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Mentioned on Ch 9 tonight that Coo-ee OD services to the NWM will come with a $2 transfer rebate.

Jodie McKay: "how dare they use tax payers funds to prop up unsuccessful bus routes?"

Andy: "we are incentivising customers to use the metro". (maybe cheaper than providing bus services all the way to the CBD?)
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marcnut1996 wrote:Opendata (you have to log in) gives spreadsheets of most past and present on demand buses and patronage.
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(most but does not have NorthWest and Inner West)
The Inner West on demand data is hidden under this link: https://opendata.transport.nsw.gov.au/d ... -trips-bus

Look for "SBSC Contract 6", under "On Demand" you'll see the patronage figures there. For the last 6 months:

Apr 2019: 6935
May 2019: 8039
Jun 2019: 7149
Jul 2019: 7323
Aug 2019: 6766
Sep 2019: 6785

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So, in summary, the top 5 monthly patronage figures are::
1. Northern Beaches (15k-16k)
2. The Ponds (8k-9k)
3. Inner West (6k-8k)
4. Moree (5k)
5. Macquarie Park (slightly less than 5k)
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I'm wondering but what become of the Newcastle on Demand extension trial in Hamilton? I've been down to Newcastle numerous times since I've last made my post in here and haven't seen an On Demand bus in the trial extension areas.

I take it it never happened or it wasn't successful enough. Newcastle Transports on demand section of their website makes no mention of anything to do with Hamilton or the CBD.

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Dear Keoride customer,
The ongoing success of Keoride Northern Beaches has seen it move over 240,000 customers since the service began in November 2017. With its ever increasing popularity, you may have noticed it has resulted in some increased wait times and reduced availability.

From Monday 27 January 2020, we will implement the following changes to improve the efficiency of the service and allow us to serve more customers.
Customers will need to walk a short distance at the start or end of each trip – this will make pick ups and drop offs faster and allow us to calculate more efficient routes

Customers will be able to travel to and from a new hub at Avalon to connect with city and Manly buses
We will extend our service area to include additional streets in Ingleside, the Sydney Academy of Sport and Narrabeen Beach.
For more information or accessibility enquiries, please visit nsw.keoride.com.au or call our friendly Keoride team on 1800 535 743.



For more visit: https://www.nsw.keoride.com.au/northern-beach-services

" this will make pick ups and drop offs faster " not for the customer, presumably.

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