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Re: 2017 Train & Bus timetable changes

Postby Stu » Sun Oct 15, 2017 11:08 pm

Frosty wrote:My concern with the new timetable is will Bondi Jn have enough layover space. I’m also expecting a few more services on other Bondi Jn routes like the 353,348 and so on.The idea of running routes through is to minimise layover space. Wondering will this 379,389,440 change require more overall buses.


Lay over space will be at a premium now considering that both routes 389 & 440 are 10 min frequencies off-peak. Overall buses required to operate routes 379, 379 & 440 should be relevantly similar to the current 389 & 440 requirements.


Both routes 389 & 440 are two of the most complained about services and I would imagine that a large number of those complaints would have eminated from customers who have exited from a train at BJI and are waiting for a 389 or 440 to complete their respective journies. Route 379 should presumably be a more reliable service as it will only operate locally which will hopefully give the soon to be former 389 & 440 customers something to look forward to.
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Re: 2017 Train & Bus timetable changes

Postby Richard290 » Mon Oct 16, 2017 2:20 am

Route 630 Blacktown to Macquarie Centre – this route will cease to run between Epping and Macquarie Park, to better align with customer travel patterns and support more reliable services.

Route 630 is one of my most-frequented bus routes as I utilise it mainly to get a one-seat ride from Macquarie Centre to my home in Carlingford, without changing buses at Epping, and also the closest M54 bus stop is at Carlingford Court (stop 211816) further away (1.2km) than the 630 stop (500m) on Pennant Hills Rd after the Mormon Temple at Dunrossil Ave (stop 211822)
I was surprised when the cut to route 630 was announced, but fully understanding of it as the bottlenecks on either side of Epping Bridge cause huge delays in the peaks and the carpark that is Macquarie Park which I myself have witnessed as a passenger of route 630.
Living at the north end of the T6 Line, 513 and the confluence of M54, 513, 546, 549, 553, 625 & 630.
Also living a mile from the Oakes Road interchange.
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Re: 2017 Train & Bus timetable changes

Postby Linto63 » Mon Oct 16, 2017 4:59 am

On weekdays all stops T2 Inner West services continue to operate to Homebush every 15 minutes with every other service continuing all stops to Parramatta. Leppington services make an additional call at Newtown. No mention of the route 737 Kiama - Bomaderry bus services on the South Coast line timetable.
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Re: 2017 Train & Bus timetable changes

Postby Jurassic_Joke » Mon Oct 16, 2017 12:47 pm

Pleased to see weekend ECRL services to and from the city will continue to skip Waverton and Wollstonecraft ^
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Re: 2017 Train & Bus timetable changes

Postby Liamena » Mon Oct 16, 2017 2:41 pm

Michael Bamborough wrote:New Bus, Train, & Ferry Timetables have been announced. Here are the links and Highlights.

Train Timetable changes: https://transportnsw.info/moving-forward/train



That website is not very good.

There seems to be no comprehensible information about the changes. The map of changes link seems to be broken both of the two times I have tried to look at it. Or you can download a timetable and print it out and try to compare line-by-line... impractical for most people.
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Re: 2017 Train & Bus timetable changes

Postby Liamena » Mon Oct 16, 2017 2:43 pm

Another annoying feature, the new timetables don't say where the trains are going after they get to the CBD.
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Re: 2017 Train & Bus timetable changes

Postby Liamena » Mon Oct 16, 2017 2:52 pm

The visibility of the labels on the pages for "weekdays" and "weekends and public holidays" is pretty poor font and size, too.
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Re: 2017 Train & Bus timetable changes

Postby Jurassic_Joke » Mon Oct 16, 2017 3:48 pm

Another minor quirky little (visual) change, but they appear to have renamed 389's western terminus from Maritime Museum to simply Pyrmont, effective from the new timetable.

Liamena wrote:
There seems to be no comprehensible information about the changes. The map of changes link seems to be broken both of the two times I have tried to look at it. Or you can download a timetable and print it out and try to compare line-by-line... impractical for most people.


I agree. For example, theres nothing directly saying on that website that routes 190 and 140 will be scrapped completely from 26th of November - only real way to see on that website is by putting in either route number and seeing neither one has a timetable for 26th of November onwards
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Re: 2017 Train & Bus timetable changes

Postby swtt » Mon Oct 16, 2017 4:33 pm

Jurassic_Joke wrote:Another minor quirky little (visual) change, but they appear to have renamed 389's western terminus from Maritime Museum to simply Pyrmont, effective from the new timetable.


I think Pyrmont is a better "destination" per se, even though the final destination is Maritime Museum. The route is designed to service the people of Pyrmont.

Much in the same way M41's destination indicator is Macquarie Park (where it's designed to serve) as opposed to Marsfield, and 243 is Nth Cremorne ("+ Brady St Spit Jn")
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Re: 2017 Train & Bus timetable changes

Postby mandonov » Mon Oct 16, 2017 4:48 pm

Jurassic_Joke wrote:
I agree. For example, theres nothing directly saying on that website that routes 190 and 140 will be scrapped completely from 26th of November - only real way to see on that website is by putting in either route number and seeing neither one has a timetable for 26th of November onwards

They link you to the Northern Beaches bus service plan page instead
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Re: 2017 Train & Bus timetable changes

Postby jaseee » Mon Oct 16, 2017 5:50 pm

DVA on A-set this morning on NSL said to change at Wynyard for T2 Inner West & Leppington services and T3 Liverpool services (which is different to normal - assume updates are being done as part of new network map rollout).
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Re: 2017 Train & Bus timetable changes

Postby boronia » Mon Oct 16, 2017 6:05 pm

swtt wrote:
Jurassic_Joke wrote:Another minor quirky little (visual) change, but they appear to have renamed 389's western terminus from Maritime Museum to simply Pyrmont, effective from the new timetable.


I think Pyrmont is a better "destination" per se, even though the final destination is Maritime Museum. The route is designed to service the people of Pyrmont.

Much in the same way M41's destination indicator is Macquarie Park (where it's designed to serve) as opposed to Marsfield, and 243 is Nth Cremorne ("+ Brady St Spit Jn")

But will they change the actual destination displayed? Probably better to keep it. Locals know where the bus goes, so MM would be better for casual tourists.
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Re: 2017 Train & Bus timetable changes

Postby Frosty » Mon Oct 16, 2017 8:26 pm

Went and looked on their claims for the 370 of extra morning peak hour services will be running on weekdays and extra daytime services will be running on weekends.
In total there was two new morning peak services one in each direction. Timings haven't been changed. 370 moves towards a 20 minute daytime frequency on weekends instead of 30 mins.

Looking at the changes Bondi Jn Interchange will be quite a bit more busy with more services on routes 353,352,418 and other changes.

Whats annoying its no longer possible to find timetables along a corridor i.e. along Anzac Parade or Botany Rd.
Botany Rd services had some minor changes on the outbound peak services with changed timings between Railway Sq & Central Elizabeth St down from 11 mins to 6 mins. Also looks like X09/X10 services will now stop at Green Square station as now included as a timing point on the timetable.
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Re: 2017 Train & Bus timetable changes

Postby boronia » Mon Oct 16, 2017 9:06 pm

A long time ago, there was a corridor TT for Maroubra Junct to City, but when that was dropped you just had the TTs at bus stops to work things out. It is easy to get this info now from apps and trip planners, if you don't want to go to the stop.
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Re: 2017 Train & Bus timetable changes

Postby Liamena » Mon Oct 16, 2017 9:27 pm

Train at 8:32 from Liverpool via Bankstown and the next one 9.02. Not great for workers or students starting around 10 AM.
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Re: 2017 Train & Bus timetable changes

Postby gld59 » Mon Oct 16, 2017 10:01 pm

T3 timetable with a creation date of 13 October: inbound am services heading anticlockwise around the City Circle are shown as skipping Central. Missing a bit of proofreading / sanity checking?

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Re: 2017 Train & Bus timetable changes

Postby Stu » Mon Oct 16, 2017 10:05 pm

- m30 will be extended to Taronga Zoo.
- 247 will terminate at its short working stop at Mosman Jct. during the operating times of the m30, before and after this time the 247 will continue to operate to and from Taronga Zoo.

The trip planner displays this info although has not been displayed in the 'big announcement' pages on the Transport Info website.
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Re: 2017 Train & Bus timetable changes

Postby swtt » Mon Oct 16, 2017 10:45 pm

Stu wrote:- m30 will be extended to Taronga Zoo.
- 247 will terminate at its short working stop at Mosman Jct. during the operating times of the m30, before and after this time the 247 will continue to operate to and from Taronga Zoo.

The trip planner displays this info although has not been displayed in the 'big announcement' pages on the Transport Info website.



What is needed are all of the changes arising from the Northern Beaches bus plan -- to which I am sure there are changes since the May 2017 announcement/draft.
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Re: 2017 Train & Bus timetable changes

Postby Stu » Mon Oct 16, 2017 11:33 pm

^ Agreed, most probably some fine tuning since then. The original info from May did indicate that Clifford St will be closed so the 236 will be moved around the corner into Punch St.
- No more M30 services laying over on Spit Rd during the off-peak and PM-peak.
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Re: 2017 Train & Bus timetable changes

Postby Geo101 » Tue Oct 17, 2017 12:29 am

On the T2 they have two services commencing from Ashfield @ 08:00 & 08:30. Wonder how they managed to squeeze them in?
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Re: 2017 Train & Bus timetable changes

Postby tonyp » Tue Oct 17, 2017 5:35 am

http://www.illawarramercury.com.au/story/4989081/uows-campelltown-students-benefit-from-bus-boost/?cs=300

UOW’s Campelltown students benefit from bus boost

Extra services on the 887 Wollongong-Campbelltown bus could reduce the incidence of overcrowding that has seen some students standing for the duration of their trip.
University of Wollongong students travelling to and from Campbelltown by bus are among the winners in a “huge” upgrade of public transport services.

However rail commuters aren't so lucky, with the South Coast the only line in the state not seeing any changes.

On Sunday Premier Gladys Berejiklian and Transport Minister Andrew Constance announced the introduction of more than 8600 new weekly public transport services across the state.

“This will mark the biggest ever change to our transport network and means that since we came into government in 2011 we have added 27,000 additional weekly transport services,” Ms Berejiklian said.

The new services will start on November 26.

“These changes are huge,” Mr Constance said.

“We have better aligned bus services to connect with train services, we have added new routes, improved existing routes, reduced journey times and ultimately maximised the network to meet the growing demand.”

The changes to bus timetables include improvements to the 887 route between Wollongong and Campbelltown.

The changes to bus timetables include improvements to the 887 route between Wollongong and Campbelltown.

The route has been a source of frustration for students, some of whom are forced to stand all the way from Wollongong to Campelltown.

The core of the problem was a three-hour gap between 12.45pm and 3.45pm, where no 887 buses left the university.

The new timetable will fill in that gap with four extra services.

The extra bus services also include the already-announced route 75 between Tullimbar and Shellharbour.

The news isn’t so good when it comes to the South Coast line.

There are 15 lines in the Sydney and intercity network and the South Coast – and the Illawarra line it shares part of its route with – is the only line that will see no changes.

All other lines will see improvements like more services, trains with more carriages or faster services.

Transport for NSW was contacted for comment.

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Re: 2017 Train & Bus timetable changes

Postby mandonov » Tue Oct 17, 2017 7:56 am

Stu wrote:- m30 will be extended to Taronga Zoo.
- 247 will terminate at its short working stop at Mosman Jct. during the operating times of the m30, before and after this time the 247 will continue to operate to and from Taronga Zoo.

The trip planner displays this info although has not been displayed in the 'big announcement' pages on the Transport Info website.

A positive step IMO, and one that I've wanted to see for a while now.

I seem to remember residents opposition to the m30 being sent to Mosman was due to the layover space issue, so sending it to the zoo with its ample space is the obvious solution. Only took 7 years...

EDIT: Something strange about the new timetable for the M30 is that services alternate between continuing along Military Rd at Spit Junction and going via Spit Rd for seemingly no reason and in no discernible pattern. Is there any particular reason why?
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Re: 2017 Train & Bus timetable changes

Postby ay7744 » Tue Oct 17, 2017 8:59 am

The 143 & 144 will now leave from Stand B West Esplanade at Manly Wharf and the 146, 158, 159, 169 and 199 will now leave from Belgrave St Stand D. looks like they did a switch to improve reliability.
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Re: 2017 Train & Bus timetable changes

Postby tonyp » Wed Oct 18, 2017 3:24 pm

http://www.illawarramercury.com.au/story/4995650/theres-no-more-space-for-trains-on-south-coast-line/?cs=300

There’s no more space for trains on South Coast line
Glen HumphriesGlen Humphries
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While the rest of the rail network is set to benefit from an increase in services next month, a lack of room on the South Coast line will see it miss out.

The South Coast line missed out on a share of this week’s“huge” public transport upgrade because there’s no room for any more trains.

Earlier this week, NSW Premier Gladys Berejiklian and Transport Minister Andrew Constance announced the introduction of more than 8600 new weekly public transport services across the state.

“These changes are huge,” Mr Constance said.

The changes will roll out on November 26 on every train line bar the South Coast – where the status quo will remain.

This was because it just wasn’t possible to fit more services on the South Coast line in its present form.

“Currently, it is not possible to add more services on the South Coast Line due to a number of network constraints, both on the South Coast, and within the Illawarra shared suburban corridor,” a Transport for NSW spokesman said.

“To enable more train services for our customers, a significant investment would need to be made to upgrade existing infrastructure.”

The constraints include the fact that the line is only a single track south of Unanderra.

The spokesman said Transport for NSW was aware of the increasing demand for train services to and from the Illawarra.

He said investigations on options to improve conditions on the line were a “priority”.

“We are working closely with key stakeholders to investigate possible options, however this is not a quick fix and requires a lot more planning and analysis,” the Transport for NSW spokesman said.

Transport for NSW has already introduced improvements to the South Coast line including adding extra carriages to most evening peak trains leaving Sydney.

However some commuters have complained about the crowding on early evening services from Central.

It also conducted a trial of express stops at Austimner station, eventually retaining four stops.


Planning and analysis eh? That should account for 10 years.
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Re: 2017 Train & Bus timetable changes

Postby molybtek » Wed Oct 18, 2017 3:32 pm

At least they're keeping all their services... T5 passengers to/from campbelltown will now have an extra 14minutes travel time thanks to the "seamless transfer" at Glenfield. Yes, now it runs late at night and the weekend, but if you want to go to Campbelltown, it is still going to take longer in the new time table compared to the current change at Granville when there's no T5 services...
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