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Re: $1.7 billion order for new Waratah trains signed

Postby boxythingy » Fri Sep 07, 2018 7:33 pm

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I wonder if they solved the screen timeout glitch after an announcement has been made.
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Re: $1.7 billion order for new Waratah trains signed

Postby Jurassic_Joke » Fri Sep 07, 2018 8:44 pm

That was solved a long time ago - simply reverts back to the list of next stops / current station
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Re: $1.7 billion order for new Waratah trains signed

Postby MLVD » Fri Sep 07, 2018 10:54 pm

There is a new thing where it will say (with a DVA) "This train will depart in 2 minutes" but the problem is that it doesn't update until after the train departs so it still says "This train will depart in 2 minutes" as the train is leaving the station.

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Re: $1.7 billion order for new Waratah trains signed

Postby boxythingy » Sat Sep 08, 2018 2:07 am

It's unbelievable that between 2002 and 2018, 16 whole years, there's been no innovation of presenting stop information other than on two lines of text. Look at how simple, yet dynamic this Hong Kong MTR example (2016-) is:


Even North Korea does it better than Australia...
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Re: $1.7 billion order for new Waratah trains signed

Postby GazzaOak » Sun Sep 09, 2018 9:37 am

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I think its due to the fact that those trains only on one line, while our trains operate on another line and this stuff require programing...
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$1.7 billion order for new Waratah trains signed

Postby quaidy » Sun Sep 09, 2018 11:36 am

Indeed, it’s not straightforward comparing metro lines to a commuter railway. Having said that the displays could be sexier.
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Re: $1.7 billion order for new Waratah trains signed

Postby Swift » Sun Sep 09, 2018 12:05 pm

boxythingy wrote:
Even North Korea does it better than Australia...

Communist countries often have fantastic public transport, but nearly everyone does it better than backwater country.
Our apathetic culture that so readily accepts and even embraces mediocrity like a religion fosters second best practice. Our phobia of 'rocking the boat' doesn't help either. Mediocrity is worse than being bad, because being bad is usually dealt with quicker.
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Re: $1.7 billion order for new Waratah trains signed

Postby idontknow556 » Sun Sep 09, 2018 12:17 pm

Are B sets operating today?
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Re: $1.7 billion order for new Waratah trains signed

Postby andy_centralcoast » Sun Sep 09, 2018 4:05 pm

idontknow556 wrote:Are B sets operating today?

Yes - runs 864 and 865 - but not as passenger services.
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Re: $1.7 billion order for new Waratah trains signed

Postby Fleet Lists » Sun Sep 09, 2018 4:16 pm

What are those runs?
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Re: $1.7 billion order for new Waratah trains signed

Postby andy_centralcoast » Sun Sep 09, 2018 5:44 pm

I'm guessing more testing.
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Re: $1.7 billion order for new Waratah trains signed

Postby idontknow556 » Tue Sep 11, 2018 8:11 am

When I went past AMF this morning I noticed that one of the B sets has an advert on it. The advert reads the Waratah series 2 trains have arrived. This is 1 out of 24 new Waratahs. Apologies I can't remeber the set number
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Re: $1.7 billion order for new Waratah trains signed

Postby boronia » Tue Sep 11, 2018 8:53 am

I saw two sets with this promo decoration, B1 and B2.

Very "hippy" with flower motifs on the D cars.
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Re: $1.7 billion order for new Waratah trains signed

Postby Swift » Tue Sep 11, 2018 10:50 am

^ Just another gimmicky wank masquerading as a revolution in transport, NSW is so well practised at.
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Re: $1.7 billion order for new Waratah trains signed

Postby Stonesourscotty » Tue Sep 11, 2018 6:32 pm

Sad to know A/B sets are still banned on the Bondi line.
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Re: $1.7 billion order for new Waratah trains signed

Postby Fleet Lists » Tue Sep 11, 2018 6:35 pm

I dont think Banned is the right word.
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Re: $1.7 billion order for new Waratah trains signed

Postby Stonesourscotty » Tue Sep 11, 2018 6:38 pm

They are actually banned between Erskineville and Bondi Junction

@ Due to electrical and signalling restrictions, Waratah (A sets) and SGT (B sets) are not
permitted on the Eastern Suburbs Rail Line between Erskineville Junction and Bondi
Junction.
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Re: $1.7 billion order for new Waratah trains signed

Postby Bus883&1022 » Tue Sep 11, 2018 6:49 pm

Why are there signalling restrictions between Erskineville and Bondi that only allows the T's
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Re: $1.7 billion order for new Waratah trains signed

Postby mandonov » Tue Sep 11, 2018 6:52 pm

Stonesourscotty wrote:They are actually banned between Erskineville and Bondi Junction

@ Due to electrical and signalling restrictions, Waratah (A sets) and SGT (B sets) are not
permitted on the Eastern Suburbs Rail Line between Erskineville Junction and Bondi
Junction.

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Re: $1.7 billion order for new Waratah trains signed

Postby Fleet Lists » Tue Sep 11, 2018 7:34 pm

Bus883&1022 wrote:Why are there signalling restrictions between Erskineville and Bondi that only allows the T's

It is not restricted to T sets - only A & B sets can not operate there because of different power requirements which is still being worked on to resolve that.
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Re: $1.7 billion order for new Waratah trains signed

Postby Fleet Lists » Tue Sep 11, 2018 7:41 pm

And similar restrictions apply on the Carlingford line.
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Re: $1.7 billion order for new Waratah trains signed

Postby Swift » Tue Sep 11, 2018 8:06 pm

Fleet Lists wrote:
Bus883&1022 wrote:Why are there signalling restrictions between Erskineville and Bondi that only allows the T's

It is not restricted to T sets - only A & B sets can not operate there because of different power requirements which is still being worked on to resolve that.


You mean they are power guzzlers in this age of aspiring to be more efficient on energy.
They have had nearly a decade to have it ready to accept such a class of train.
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Re: $1.7 billion order for new Waratah trains signed

Postby moa999 » Tue Sep 11, 2018 8:23 pm

Had to add substations on the North Shore line for the Waratahs.

Nothing wrong with dedicated fleet per line.
Gets you to common door position which starts to allow PSDs in the city circle.
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Re: $1.7 billion order for new Waratah trains signed

Postby Swift » Tue Sep 11, 2018 8:51 pm

moa999 wrote:
Nothing wrong with dedicated fleet per line.
Gets you to common door position which starts to allow PSDs in the city circle.

There is when the train is 20 years older and other lines get the benefits of a much newer train.
Nothing wrong with consistent car lengths and a fair go for all to use a taxpayer funded newer train model with added features and amenity.
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Re: $1.7 billion order for new Waratah trains signed

Postby mandonov » Tue Sep 11, 2018 10:26 pm

Swift wrote:There is when the train is 20 years older and other lines get the benefits of a much newer train.
Nothing wrong with consistent car lengths and a fair go for all to use a taxpayer funded newer train model with added features and amenity.

Hence the Tangara Technology Upgrade which is meant to add these modern passenger communication features.... if it ever gets passed the point of the design stage that is.
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