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Re: Central Station Redevelopment

Postby mandonov » Tue Sep 19, 2017 11:03 pm

The DA for the food hall is now on exhibition. It's comprised of the 'Central Food Market' and '2000 Acres'. https://online.cityofsydney.nsw.gov.au/ ... pl=1319289

Central Food Market consists of 4 separate tenancies; Convenience, Bakery, Grill and Fresh.
Convenience is just a bunch of self serve fridges and a counter; Bakery seems to just sell coffee and baked goods; Grill almost looks like a higher end Hungry Jacks based on the floor plans; and Fresh is a fruit, salad and juice outlet.

2000 Acres is a cafe and wine bar.

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Re: Central Station Redevelopment

Postby mandonov » Wed Oct 11, 2017 5:26 pm

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/western-commu ... yvjww.html

OCTOBER 10 2017 - 5:31AM

Western commuter concourse in planning for Central Station revamp

Matt O'Sullivan

Extending a major underground concourse for commuters towards the western end of Sydney's Central Station will form part of a longer term overhaul of Australia's busiest train station.

About 270,000 people enter or exit Central Station every weekday, and many more use it to switch between trains via its rabbit warren of underground links.

Transport authorities believe improving pedestrian flows at the station will become even more critical when Sydney's new light rail line opens in 2019.

The government unveiled plans in March for a so-called Central Walk, which will comprise a 19-metre wide pedestrian concourse beneath platforms 16 to 23 near the station's eastern end, and a new entrance from Chalmers Street.

That entrance – on the existing site of the Bounce Hostel – will be near a stop on the new light rail line from Circular Quay to the city's south east.

But the City of Sydney Council says construction of a western section to Central Walk is needed from platforms for a new metro train line because of greater demand from commuters wanting to access the station's western side.

Thousands of students walk between the station's western end and the University of Technology each weekday to catch trains.

In a report on Central Walk, Transport for NSW said the design of the new underground concourse would allow for an extension to the west of the metro platforms.

However, construction of a western concourse and exit could not begin until the new platforms for the metro line were completed because of the need to maintain regional and intercity rail services at the station.

"As such, these works [for a western concourse] are suited to being progressed as a separate project in the future. This would also allow additional time to identify the optimal solution for the west concourse and western entry," it said.

In September last year the government sought community feedback on plans to revamp Central Station. The overhaul will also form a key part of the Central to Eveleigh rail corridor.

The number of passengers switching services at Central Station is forecast to surge by 79 per cent between 2014 and 2026, and to rise by a further 15 per cent over the following decade, according to Transport for NSW.

Construction of Central Walk is due to begin in late 2018 and take three years to complete.

The YHA has asked that officials not allow demolition works, underground excavation and other construction of Central Walk between 9pm and 9am that might stop guests getting a "good night's sleep" at its two hostels near the station.

While most work will be carried out during daylight hours, Transport for NSW said "substantial construction activities" would need to occur at other times to minimise disruption to the city's transport network.
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Re: Central Station Redevelopment

Postby boronia » Wed Oct 11, 2017 8:17 pm

There are two coffee bars and a ciggy shop on the ramp from Elizabeth St down to N concourse. The leases on these facilities have been terminated and they will be demolished.
One shop is being relocated to Eddy Ave.
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Re: Central Station Redevelopment

Postby mandonov » Wed Oct 11, 2017 11:55 pm

Is that entrance finally going to be updated and possibly even levelled out?
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Re: Central Station Redevelopment

Postby Liamena » Sun Oct 15, 2017 3:01 pm

Looks great ! Looks like it is targeted at the kind of people who never use trains.
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Re: Central Station Redevelopment

Postby boronia » Sun Oct 15, 2017 4:59 pm

A large crane has been erected on former building sites at the southern end of Sydney yard, off Lee St, near Cleveland St
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Re: Central Station Redevelopment

Postby Linto63 » Mon Oct 16, 2017 4:40 pm

To crane in the deck of the access bridge being built to enable the construction of the Central metro platforms.
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Re: Central Station Redevelopment

Postby moa999 » Wed Oct 25, 2017 9:21 am

boronia wrote:There are two coffee bars and a ciggy shop on the ramp from Elizabeth St down to N concourse. The leases on these facilities have been terminated and they will be demolished.
One shop is being relocated to Eddy Ave.
The lift in that area is also closed.

Personally had hoped the entire entrance would be reoriented to face the Chalmers St light rail

But none of the renders for Light Rail or Central Walk have shown much detail in that area, or the intersection with the T4 line concourse
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Re: Central Station Redevelopment

Postby mandonov » Sun Nov 12, 2017 6:56 am

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/internal-docu ... zht6f.html

Internal documents show makeover of Sydney's Central Station to top $3 billion

NOVEMBER 12 2017 - 6:00AM

Matt O'Sullivan


The cost of transforming Sydney's Central Station into a gateway that includes a five-star hotel, high-rise towers and a new route for the inner west light rail line is estimated in leaked documents at just over $3 billion.

The internal Transport for NSW documents show the state government will rely heavily on revenue from a large increase in space for shops and offices in and around the station precinct to help fund the revamp.

But they reveal that the scale of the capital works program for Australia's busiest train station means the revenues generated are unlikely to "ever cover all" of the cost.

The total capital costs for the renewal project includes an estimated $750 million to incorporate Sydney's new metro train line into the station. The government has publicly disclosed the total cost of the second stage of building the entire metro train line at up to $12.5 billion – which it has funding for – but has not broken it down.

The projects involved in transforming Australia's busiest train station, which covers 20 hectares, vary in size and time frames for completion over a 20-year period.

They include a proposal to shift the inner west light rail line from a stop outside the station's grand concourse to nearby Pitt Street, and constructing three towers of up to about 40 storeys above a new bus terminal and layover on Lee Street.

Under the plans detailed at length in the documents leaked to Fairfax Media and the ABC, the upper levels of the main terminal building of the 111-year station would be turned into a 180-room boutique hotel, at a cost of about $120 million, from 2025.

Other elements of the plans include:
  • A plaza on Eddy Avenue;
  • A colonnade on Pitt Street featuring a new retail arcade;
  • A western forecourt entrance to the station;
  • Refurbishment of the Devonshire Street tunnel.

Among the longer term plans, property development would be allowed to occur over the rail yards to utilise "prime air space real estate", and the Henry Deane precinct on the western side of the station redeveloped.

If given the go-ahead, the Henry Deane redevelopment would require the demolition of the Railway Square YHA hostel to allow three commercial towers to be constructed.

While many of the projects are years away, if indeed they are approved, early work on incorporating the metro train line into the station has already begun while construction of an east-west concourse known as Central Walk is due to start next year.

The leaked documents also note that several property projects in the longer term will "have a high level of interface with the potential high-speed rail development at the station".

"Thus, the timing in future government policy will influence their completion," they say.

A spokeswoman for Transport for NSW said the government had made no decision about further development of the Central Station precinct.

"Initial consultation has taken place with industry, stakeholders and the public, and further engagement is expected in the new year," she said.

"Any decision to proceed with development at the station will have to be subject to rigorous economic appraisal and Cabinet consideration."

An internal report for Transport for NSW in late 2015 found customers rated Central Station poorly, because it was complex and confusing to navigate. Older people and women often felt unsafe, and many saw the station as old and rundown.

The City of Sydney's chief transport advisor, Terry Lee-Williams, said it was important that the long-term transport needs of the city were given priority over property development.

"The first thing you have to do is make sure that the aspirations of future transport, like more metro and light rail servicing a growing CBD, are first and foremost in the thinking," he said.

"How to offset the cost, and finance that, needs to come after this consideration."
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Re: Central Station Redevelopment

Postby mandonov » Sun Nov 12, 2017 7:14 am

Regarding the IWLR move; judging by the Future Transport mention of a Green Square light rail down the Botany Rd corridor, extending the IWLR down Pitt, Lee and Regent makes sense. Also the colonnade where the existing platform is makes a perfect porte cochere for the new hotel.

If pedestrian connections are improved, Lee Street bus layover would be a good location for a permanent, purpose built coach terminal.
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Re: Central Station Redevelopment

Postby mandonov » Sun Nov 12, 2017 7:18 am

From the ABC:

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Re: Central Station Redevelopment

Postby tonyp » Sun Nov 12, 2017 8:04 am

Well, that would get rid of IWLR's only high-capacity terminus. They'll need to make the new one a single-track stub to stop patronage getting out of hand. It fits with the usual longstanding public transport agenda in NSW of kneecapping any public transport service that threatens to become too popular and therefore cost too much to run.
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Re: Central Station Redevelopment

Postby Liamena » Sun Nov 12, 2017 2:46 pm

Moving the stop for the light rail from 200 metres from the suburban platforms to 400 metres from the suburban platforms does not seem like much of an improvement.

Closing Eddy Avenue hardly seems feasible, there are not many alternatives. Perhaps there should be a road tunnel under Cleveland Street.

If you are going to turn Eddy Avenue into a plaza, it would make more sense to move the tram terminus into there, than Pitt Street.
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Re: Central Station Redevelopment

Postby mandonov » Sun Nov 12, 2017 3:33 pm

Yes but from Pitt Street it's presumably direct access to Central Walk which is easier access to the metro.
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Re: Central Station Redevelopment

Postby Tonymercury » Mon Nov 13, 2017 5:25 am

mandonov wrote:Yes but from Pitt Street it's presumably direct access to Central Walk which is easier access to the metro.



But Central Walk won't go that far,
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Re: Central Station Redevelopment

Postby mandonov » Mon Nov 13, 2017 5:48 am

This development plan is a 30 year timeframe and includes the western extension of Central Walk.
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Re: Central Station Redevelopment

Postby Tonymercury » Mon Nov 13, 2017 9:49 am

mandonov wrote:This development plan is a 30 year timeframe and includes the western extension of Central Walk.


So after the hotel gets rushed in as a 'wonderful new' project and the trams are diverted to Pitt St it'll be tears before a connection becomes available?

And how many changes of government and policy will that cover?

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Re: Central Station Redevelopment

Postby tonyp » Mon Nov 13, 2017 10:10 am

Tonymercury wrote:
So after the hotel gets rushed in as a 'wonderful new' project and the trams are diverted to Pitt St it'll be tears before a connection becomes available?

And how many changes of government and policy will that cover?

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Replacing a convenient close and level tram interchange to trains with a porte cochere for limousines for a hotel is positively morally debased. What's wrong with arriving at the hotel by tram anyway?

One thing they will achieve is the removal of IWLR's only high-capacity terminus and replacing it with a lower-capacity one. If they could put in a loop or something similar at Dulwich Hill and have full traffic light priority, this line could throughput trams every minute or so, giving it enormous capacity. Assuming a terminus in Pitt St will be two-track (and that's a big assumption to make about the noobs at TfNSW) and they rebuild Dulwich Hill to two-track, it will have a capacity of a tram each way about every 3-5 minutes.

Even worse, they could put in a single-track terminus in Pitt St to match the one at Dulwich Hill ....

But on the bright side they will be steadfastly upholding the 60-year tradition of keeping a lid on public transport patronage to stop it going wild.
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Re: Central Station Redevelopment

Postby boronia » Mon Nov 13, 2017 11:30 am

So thousands of tram commuters each day will be inconvenienced for a couple of hundred hotel guests who MIGHT arrive/depart in taxis?

Taxis could be allowed to use the access ramps shared with trams. Hardly likely to be congestion with a 8-10 minute tram frequency, but that might mean having to remove the staff car parking on the colonnade. Got to get priorities right.
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Re: Central Station Redevelopment

Postby mandonov » Mon Nov 13, 2017 5:46 pm

Tonymercury wrote:So after the hotel gets rushed in as a 'wonderful new' project and the trams are diverted to Pitt St it'll be tears before a connection becomes available?

And how many changes of government and policy will that cover?

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What are you on about? The hotel is just an idea, just as all of this is just an idea. There's no indication of any accurate timeframes, costings, or staging.

This is the problem with these leaks to the media. The government can't accurately explain their vision and at the end of the day no one in the public gets to see that document else the narrative from both sides gets tarnished.
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Re: Central Station Redevelopment

Postby Tonymercury » Tue Nov 14, 2017 4:53 am

mandonov wrote:What are you on about? The hotel is just an idea, just as all of this is just an idea. There's no indication of any accurate timeframes, costings, or staging.

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And this, of course, also applies to the Pitt St terminus suggestion.

You actually seem to have started this - I simply made a comment regarding the possible timetable.

If I had a bookies licence I'd have the hotel at odds on to be first, long before anything else.
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Re: Central Station Redevelopment

Postby tonyp » Tue Nov 14, 2017 5:07 am

mandonov wrote:What are you on about? The hotel is just an idea, just as all of this is just an idea. There's no indication of any accurate timeframes, costings, or staging.

This is the problem with these leaks to the media. The government can't accurately explain their vision and at the end of the day no one in the public gets to see that document else the narrative from both sides gets tarnished.

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Re: Central Station Redevelopment

Postby mandonov » Tue Nov 14, 2017 12:05 pm

Tonymercury wrote:And this, of course, also applies to the Pitt St terminus suggestion.

You actually seem to have started this - I simply made a comment regarding the possible timetable.

If I had a bookies licence I'd have the hotel at odds on to be first, long before anything else.

If a hotel were to be first then I would expect the existing Western Forecourt to continue to act as a kiss and ride and taxi rank.
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