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Re: Sydney Buses Maps

Postby Fleet Lists » Sat Apr 26, 2014 9:19 pm

But if you try to create one for the whole of Sydney you are going to finish up with something the size of a Gregories or UBD street directory.
And would change so frequently it would be out of date by the time it was printed.
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Re: Sydney Buses Maps

Postby Newcastle Flyer » Sat Apr 26, 2014 10:29 pm

Sydney and the nearby surronds had something similar to the LHTG book about 10 years ago or so.
For Sydney, they could combine the four or so Sydney STA maps in a book.
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Re: Sydney Buses Maps

Postby Fleet Lists » Sun Apr 27, 2014 8:15 am

Just combining the STA maps does not do anything. Sydney is a lot more than just the STA.
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Re: Sydney Buses Maps

Postby 08 XDi » Sun Apr 27, 2014 7:47 pm

Large whole of system maps only need to be made available in PDF. This is exactly what already happens in Adelaide, and it works fine.

Melbourne can be pieced together in this way using the local area maps, but the approach to publishing them (by the LGA name) is very unsatisfactory, particularly if you are a visitor.
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Re: Sydney Buses Maps

Postby Tallewang » Thu May 29, 2014 1:11 am

Today, I came across this very interesting document, which doesn't seem to be linked from anywhere on the trip-planner website that I can find.

http://www.sydneybuses.info/prepay/MyZone_Booklet.pdf

This extremely interesting booklet contains, hidden away in the document where you wouldn't find it, a very capable map showing the coverage of bus services in the inner suburbs around downtown Sydney. It's on page 37.

This is exactly the sort of map which I had in mind when I started this thread.

This map would be invaluable to tourists and also to anyone from the outer suburbs who is visiting inner Sydney but is not intimately familiar with it.

The map which is on page 37 of this booklet, should be converted to a separate document and linked to from this page here

http://www.transportnsw.info/en/maps-an ... index.page?

because it meets and obvious need which is not currently met by any of the maps currently attached to that web page.
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Re: Sydney Buses Maps

Postby Stu » Thu May 29, 2014 2:10 am

^ 'Metrobus' is a brand that is obviously operated by a number of bus operators organisations so it appears as if STA are advertising its own metrobus services as well as other non STA operated metrobus services to provide an overall picture to the general public. Aslo, STA is a public transport authority of the NSW government so it is another advertising channel for TfNSW to use when promoting the whole metrobus brand.
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Re: Sydney Buses Maps

Postby Tonymercury » Thu May 29, 2014 4:58 am

Issuing that CBD map at the moment would be a waste of effort - it should all start to change very soon.

When it is reissued, it would be nice to see ALL CBD services there.
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Re: Sydney Buses Maps

Postby lunchbox » Thu May 29, 2014 8:21 am

........and am I right in observing that local area maps are disappearing from Sydney's CBD bus shelters?
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Re: Sydney Buses Maps

Postby Tallewang » Thu May 29, 2014 11:45 am

Tonymercury wrote:Issuing that CBD map at the moment would be a waste of effort - it should all start to change very soon.

When it is reissued, it would be nice to see ALL CBD services there.


There is already an adequate map of services and routes in the CBD proper. What is currently missing from the website, is a map of linkages to nearby inner suburbs, many of which are too far to conveniently walk from the CBD stations. The other very nice maps which show services in the backblocks of Ryde and Warringah and Canterbury, do not show the inner suburbs on a readable scale.

And I think you are missing the point with your claim that issuing the map would be a waste of effort. It would take a competent website manager about 10 minutes to link that map, which already exists , from the website.
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Re: Sydney Buses Maps

Postby Tonymercury » Thu May 29, 2014 3:52 pm

lunchbox wrote:........and am I right in observing that local area maps are disappearing from Sydney's CBD bus shelters?



Kevin,

All of the maps seem to be disappearing, even the interchanges.
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Re: Sydney Buses Maps

Postby lunchbox » Wed Aug 30, 2017 8:45 pm

I recently called 131500 for them to post me a STA Region Map. They refused. I complained to the Minister. His minion has responded with what amounts to a polite "get stuffed", telling me how easy it is to get a region map off the web, or an app.

STA Region maps take ages to download on a PC. And you can't take your PC with you when you travel. Region maps are unreadable on anything smaller than A3, and not many people would have an A3-capable colour printer at the ready.

The bottom line is - you can't get STA Region maps any more.

My question is - can you still get region maps from the "private" operators with a phone call? If we can, maybe its time to "privatise" STA!
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Re: Sydney Buses Maps

Postby sunnyyan » Wed Aug 30, 2017 9:06 pm

^ At 1.75MB for the latest version of the eastern region map, it should almost be instant download on almost any connection.
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Re: Sydney Buses Maps

Postby rogf24 » Wed Aug 30, 2017 9:51 pm

Why would you take a giant region map with you anyway? Something like 85% of Australians now have a smartphone (and almost none on the soon obsolete 2G standard). Download it there and use pinch and zoom if it's too tiny. Better yet, use an app to plan your trip like Google Maps (which is real time as long as you have mobile internet now) or another app like the handy old Tripview.

It doesn't take too long to download on PC either unless you're on dial up. 1.75MB takes no time at all on my 100mbps NBN connection. Even the most popular 25mbps connection isn't too bad.
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Re: Sydney Buses Maps

Postby lunchbox » Fri Sep 01, 2017 10:55 am

^^^^Because, rogf24, the A3 sheet folds conveniently to A4, it can be read in bright sunlight, its batteries dont go flat, it doesn't require an internet search, the 15% (100 - 85) is significant, and what's more, its government policy to provide such info on paper.
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Re: Sydney Buses Maps

Postby boronia » Fri Sep 01, 2017 11:40 am

The region maps seem to be operator specific, so do not include services which overlap from other regions. That can sometimes result in poor trip planning, if you rely solely on one map.
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Re: Sydney Buses Maps

Postby Glen » Tue Sep 19, 2017 8:35 am

rogf24 wrote:Why would you take a giant region map with you anyway? Something like 85% of Australians now have a smartphone (and almost none on the soon obsolete 2G standard). Download it there and use pinch and zoom if it's too tiny. Better yet, use an app to plan your trip like Google Maps (which is real time as long as you have mobile internet now) or another app like the handy old Tripview.

You should always put yourself in the position of a tourist or non public transport user, or imagine you are in a city you have never been to before.

Then you may think differently.

Paper maps still have a place.
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Re: Sydney Buses Maps

Postby Tonymercury » Sat Sep 23, 2017 6:55 am

I have been advised that the Newcastle Transport information office, map and timetables were introduced over the dead bodies of some at TfNSW.
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Re: Sydney Buses Maps

Postby boronia » Sat Sep 23, 2017 7:58 am

Glen wrote:
rogf24 wrote:Why would you take a giant region map with you anyway? Something like 85% of Australians now have a smartphone (and almost none on the soon obsolete 2G standard). Download it there and use pinch and zoom if it's too tiny. Better yet, use an app to plan your trip like Google Maps (which is real time as long as you have mobile internet now) or another app like the handy old Tripview.

You should always put yourself in the position of a tourist or non public transport user, or imagine you are in a city you have never been to before.

Then you may think differently.

Paper maps still have a place.

Definitely. The first thing I like to do when I visit a "foreign" location is get a map of the transport system to find good places to visit (or just go for a ride). Can't always do that easily with smartphone maps.

The apps are useful when it is time to start planning those trips, though.
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Re: Sydney Buses Maps

Postby tonyp » Sat Sep 23, 2017 9:50 am

Tonymercury wrote:I have been advised that the Newcastle Transport information office, map and timetables were introduced over the dead bodies of some at TfNSW.

Never mind maps, sometimes I think public transport itself in NSW is introduced over the dead bodies of some at TfNSW. The latest case in point being the Elton John concert in Wollongong.
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Re: Sydney Buses Maps

Postby rogf24 » Sat Sep 23, 2017 10:58 am

boronia wrote:
Glen wrote:You should always put yourself in the position of a tourist or non public transport user, or imagine you are in a city you have never been to before.

Then you may think differently.

Paper maps still have a place.

Definitely. The first thing I like to do when I visit a "foreign" location is get a map of the transport system to find good places to visit (or just go for a ride). Can't always do that easily with smartphone maps.

The apps are useful when it is time to start planning those trips, though.


Dunno about you but I was in Delhi, a very, very crazy city of all places on Earth, yet I got by fine on the Delhi Metro, buses, Uber, richshaws, etc with smartphone information only. No need for a paper map and I survived and got a lot out of the place despite all its craziness and no map, not even a paper Metro map. And this was in Delhi, hardly a first world city, yet a smartphone was good.
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Re: Sydney Buses Maps

Postby moa999 » Sat Sep 23, 2017 2:21 pm

Can't think of the last time I used a paper map overseas
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Re: Sydney Buses Maps

Postby Tonymercury » Sun Sep 24, 2017 5:28 am

moa999 wrote:Can't think of the last time I used a paper map overseas


And everyone else in the world is a clone of you?
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Re: Sydney Buses Maps

Postby tonyp » Sun Sep 24, 2017 9:09 am

Tonymercury wrote:And everyone else in the world is a clone of you?

Certainly not me as the missus will attest with the perpetual question of "what the hell do you need to keep all those old timetables for?"!

I feel unable to comment as typical travelling public because, as a perpetual student of transport, I always like to get an overview first and the paper map and timetable is something where you simply can't get the convenience on a phone or computer. However, as far as the actual journey is concerned, the electronic journey planner is unbeatable.

One big problem I find with mobile phones is that in sunlight/daylight (which is what it usually is waiting at a transit stop) you can't see the screen and you're searching around for some shade. In this sense, the backup timetable display at the stop or the paper timetable in your pocket is unbeatable.
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Re: Sydney Buses Maps

Postby moa999 » Sun Sep 24, 2017 9:49 am

Tonymercury wrote:
moa999 wrote:Can't think of the last time I used a paper map overseas


And everyone else in the world is a clone of you?
Aggressive much.
I was simply making the point that tourists are not a reason for paper maps, I don't see them any different from local residents.

Now given I'm prepared to pay for mapping apps (eg. TripView paid), data and phone, would you be prepared to pay for paper maps??
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Re: Sydney Buses Maps

Postby tonyp » Sun Sep 24, 2017 9:59 am

moa999 wrote:I was simply making the point that tourists are not a reason for paper maps, I don't see them any different from local residents.

Tourists are very much a reason for paper maps and most transit agencies I've experienced in Europe to go out of their way to produce some very good paper maps and guides specifically for tourists
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