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Re: Use of Back Door on Buses

Postby simonl » Sun Nov 26, 2017 12:29 pm

booma wrote:There is supposed to be all door loading at Carrington st Wynyard from nov 26th.

Stands A B C & D.

Supervised PM rear door loading or generalised rear door loading?
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Re: Use of Back Door on Buses

Postby Swift » Sun Nov 26, 2017 3:20 pm

simonl wrote:Supervised PM rear door loading or generalised rear door loading?

Take a stab in the dark!
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Re: Use of Back Door on Buses

Postby simonl » Sun Nov 26, 2017 4:22 pm

^ I'd have thought supervised PM peak rear door loading would already be in place!
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Re: Use of Back Door on Buses

Postby Swift » Sun Nov 26, 2017 4:25 pm

simonl wrote:^ I'd have thought supervised PM peak rear door loading would already be in place!

They trialled it in other locations but not there, where it was sorely needed. Glad to see them trying something different there finally. 36 years is a long time.
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Re: Use of Back Door on Buses

Postby Qantas94Heavy » Tue Nov 28, 2017 8:35 pm

Got on a bus at Carrington Street Stand A during PM peak today. All door boarding was in effect but dwell time still wasn't great -- 1:35 to load roughly 60-62 people onto a bus.

Most people were using the rear door, with only a few people using the front door after marshals asked them to.
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Re: Use of Back Door on Buses

Postby Swift » Tue Nov 28, 2017 8:46 pm

The idea is distribution, not to switch doors! Public!!
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Re: Use of Back Door on Buses

Postby tonyp » Wed Nov 29, 2017 5:31 am

Qantas94Heavy wrote:Got on a bus at Carrington Street Stand A during PM peak today. All door boarding was in effect but dwell time still wasn't great -- 1:35 to load roughly 60-62 people onto a bus.

Most people were using the rear door, with only a few people using the front door after marshals asked them to.

They're biasing towards the centre door because that has best and quickest access to the bulk of the passenger space (and seats). The general pattern you will observe in Europe is that most will use centre and rear doors for passenger exchange and the front door is pretty quiet.

Here's another example of other-door bias in this "ATDB training video" from our Mr OCB! This is exchange of about 40 people (on and off) in 40 seconds.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-3ydX_GIkY

In spite of the centre-door bias though, this is infinitely better at, not only boarding them, but distributing the load through the bus and avoiding the choking-up of the front half of the bus and thus its incomplete loading that you get with front-door loading.

With high-turnover work or with crowds like 60 or so exchanging all at once, the need for more doors also kicks in and you need a vehicle like this:

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or even better, this:

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Re: Use of Back Door on Buses

Postby Glen » Fri Dec 08, 2017 3:38 pm

Meanwhile in another state, far far away:

https://www.adelaidemetro.com.au/Announ ... Bahn-buses
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Re: Use of Back Door on Buses

Postby tonyp » Fri Dec 08, 2017 3:57 pm

Glen wrote:Meanwhile in another state, far far away:

https://www.adelaidemetro.com.au/Announ ... Bahn-buses


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Re: Use of Back Door on Buses

Postby Swift » Fri Dec 08, 2017 5:41 pm

tonyp wrote:
or even better, this:

public-transport-bus-jihlava-czech-republic-egaxg8.jpg

I don't think a squashed up drive train like that would cope well with Sydney's combination of hilly terrain and hotter weather.

Adelaide has always been ahead of the game compared to Sydney with the operation of their buses. It helps that it it's a much more compact provincial city that is more manageable with a political climate far more amenable to new ideas.
Adelaide has had to be innovative as their bus system has been their mainstay of public transport for decades.
Just compare their extra wide underfloor buses from the 1950s to Sydney's versions.
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Re: Use of Back Door on Buses

Postby tonyp » Sat Dec 09, 2017 9:19 am

Swift wrote:
tonyp wrote:
or even better, this:

public-transport-bus-jihlava-czech-republic-egaxg8.jpg

I don't think a squashed up drive train like that would cope well with Sydney's combination of hilly terrain and hotter weather.

If you look at the roof of that bus, you will see that the drive-train is most definitely not squashed up!

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But even if it was fuel-engined, as you know for example riding the B Line, compact vertical rear engines are common nowadays. ;)
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Re: Use of Back Door on Buses

Postby Swift » Wed Dec 13, 2017 10:55 pm

Here is a stop gap for better egress.
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Re: Use of Back Door on Buses

Postby tonyp » Wed Dec 13, 2017 11:01 pm

Already available - at least in LHD.
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Re: Use of Back Door on Buses

Postby Swift » Wed Dec 13, 2017 11:04 pm

I only applied colour and a decal + flipped the image. I did not add or remove any doors.
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