Delivery of new trams for Inner West Light Rail Extension

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Stu wrote:Delivery of the 9th tram will commence on the from 20:00 on Tue 13th of May until 05:00 on Wed 14th May. The tram will arrive at 02:00.
Hi Stu, any word on the 4 trams supposedly due this week ?? (2118,19,2120 & 2121)

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mandonov wrote:Any word on how testing is going with the Urbos 3's?
I've been told by a local that early morning testing in the Glebe tunnel is causing people to lose sleep.
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Tram Fan 24/7 wrote:
Stu wrote:Delivery of the 9th tram will commence on the from 20:00 on Tue 13th of May until 05:00 on Wed 14th May. The tram will arrive at 02:00.
Hi Stu, any word on the 4 trams supposedly due this week ?? (2118,19,2120 & 2121)

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I have not heard anything verbally mentioned nor seem any written info about the delivery details of the remaining trams, it has been very quiet lately although I'm certainly being observant with anticipation.

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^ According to Facebook there will be a tram delivery tonight. I'm not at work today or tomorrow so I can't confirm or elaborate with any further details.

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Anybody know if any more trams have arrived ? The rumoured 4 in a week turned out to be a furphy !

Has 2118 arrived ?

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2112, 2114-2118 are here, 2118 has already been here for two weeks at least.

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Didn't they say 2015, next year?
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boxythingy wrote:Didn't they say 2015, next year?
I reckon it was either (1), an estimate, or (2), the time when the Urbos 3s all enter service. I'm sure they don't need the Urbos 3s in service to help out right now (they'll probably need them next timetable change but), and plus they're probably just making sure everything's all set for their eventual entry into service.

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There is not yet any information about the cab controls on these new trams, do they require a physical response from the driver to keep the tram moving? Last time I was in Sydney, the Variotrams, unlike both types of low floor tram here in Melbourne (already in service at the time) as well as Sydney suburban trains, didn't already have that vigilance feature.

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tonyp wrote:I thought that Variotram that fell off near Yass was scrapped (or recycled into one of the other trams?).
I know it's pretty redundant responding to a nearly 6 year old post but since no else has offered more information, I might as well clarify some things from a 2019 perspective. 1) The Variotram truck accident didn't occur near Yass, it happened at Tarcutta; not what I call near Yass. 2) 2101 - the Variotram involved in the accident - was NEVER scrapped. It was taken back to Dandenong and quickly repaired, leaving 2103 to be the first tram to arrive in Sydney, followed by 2102. 2101 arrived in Sydney - fully repaired and functional - on 15th June 1997. There WAS however, a little bit of recycling during the repair process: 2101's 4th module was swapped with one destined for 2107, which was still under construction at the time of the accident. It seems that this was done to speed up the repair work. This was only found out after 2107 was preserved at Loftus; an inspection of the roof revealed that the 4th Module on 2107 is numbered 2101; the rest are numbered 2107. So the logical conclusion would be that at least one module swap occurred between 2101 and 2107. Whether any other module swaps occurred with the other cars under construction such as 2106 is unknown. But this explains why Module 4 on 2107 leaked way more compared to the others; we also found a metal plate covering a patch of broken fibreglass, which was only covered up properly relatively recently. So it seems they did a pretty sloppy repair job on that particular module. Oh well. But listed below is the delivery and withdrawal dates for each Sydney Variotram:

2103 arrived on May 31 1997. The first new tram in Sydney in 36 years! Retired April 2015. Scrapped January 2018.
2102 arrived on June 5 1997. Retired May 2015. Scrapped January 2018.
2101 arrived on June 15 1997. Retired May 2015. Scrapped January 2018.
2104 arrived on June 29 1997. Retired May 2015. Scrapped January 2018.
2105 arrived on July 20 1997. Retired May 2015. Scrapped January 2018.
2106 arrived on August 3 1997. Presumed scrapped late 2013/2014, parts possibly used to return 2105 to service after years of in-operation.
2107 arrived on 17 August 1997. Retired May 2015. Preserved October 2018.

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According to the Sydney Morning Herald of 2.7.19 there's a new (2019) shortage of trams on the Inner West. Apparently four will be needed fairly soon, but suppliers are stretched. One Peter Kahn, in a letter to the Herald of 3.7.19, suggests diverting trams destined for the South-east line to be temporarily used on the Inner West. Tell me again why that's impractical?

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That shortage raises the question of why they withdrew the variotrams from service.

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At the time they simply underestimated future requirements.
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lunchbox wrote: One Peter Kahn, in a letter to the Herald of 3.7.19, suggests diverting trams destined for the South-east line to be temporarily used on the Inner West. Tell me again why that's impractical?
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This is being discussed and information given in the IWLR Observations thread.
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STMPainter2018 wrote:
tonyp wrote:I thought that Variotram that fell off near Yass was scrapped (or recycled into one of the other trams?).
I know it's pretty redundant responding to a nearly 6 year old post but since no else has offered more information, I might as well clarify some things from a 2019 perspective. 1) The Variotram truck accident didn't occur near Yass, it happened at Tarcutta; not what I call near Yass. 2) 2101 - the Variotram involved in the accident - was NEVER scrapped. It was taken back to Dandenong and quickly repaired, leaving 2103 to be the first tram to arrive in Sydney, followed by 2102. 2101 arrived in Sydney - fully repaired and functional - on 15th June 1997. There WAS however, a little bit of recycling during the repair process: 2101's 4th module was swapped with one destined for 2107, which was still under construction at the time of the accident. It seems that this was done to speed up the repair work. This was only found out after 2107 was preserved at Loftus; an inspection of the roof revealed that the 4th Module on 2107 is numbered 2101; the rest are numbered 2107. So the logical conclusion would be that at least one module swap occurred between 2101 and 2107. Whether any other module swaps occurred with the other cars under construction such as 2106 is unknown. But this explains why Module 4 on 2107 leaked way more compared to the others; we also found a metal plate covering a patch of broken fibreglass, which was only covered up properly relatively recently. So it seems they did a pretty sloppy repair job on that particular module. Oh well. But listed below is the delivery and withdrawal dates for each Sydney Variotram:
Well, now you can claim to have preserved part of the 1st one, and most of the last one.
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Myrtone wrote:That shortage raises the question of why they withdrew the variotrams from service.
Because they are idiots.
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Aurora wrote:
Myrtone wrote:That shortage raises the question of why they withdrew the variotrams from service.
Because they are idiots.
Probably because the Vario trams were a Labor Government product, just like bendy buses, so we don’t need em. s/

Bit disgraceful, look at how long Melbourne can hang on to it’s Z, A and B class trams. The Variotrams were a fine product.

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Actually the original inner west light rail project started under the previous Coalition government. Labor came to office prior to its opening. Labor had nothing to do with commissioning the trams; this was done by the operating company.
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Aurora wrote:
Myrtone wrote:That shortage raises the question of why they withdrew the variotrams from service.
Because they are idiots.
Probably the problem didn't exist back then?
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Well then they're idiots for not considering the potential of the line.

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rogf24 wrote:Well then they're idiots for not considering the potential of the line.
The agency was still dominated by the bus sceptics when these decisions were made soon after the Coalition came to office. There was a view (a hope) that trams wouldn't catch on so there was a caution about investing too much into it. They were told by many people at the time what would happen but they remained conservative about it. They spent the previous 15 years (well, 60 years in a broader sense) fighting it off, they weren't likely to change their thinking 180 degrees overnight. Everything is different now but we still pay for those early mistakes (another of which was the early planning stages of CSELR).
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