Newcastle light rail, renewal & integrated transport

Sydney / New South Wales Transport Discussion
User avatar
boronia
Posts: 19430
Joined: Fri Mar 05, 2004 7:18 pm
Favourite Vehicle: Fire engine; PD4107
Location: Sydney

Re: Newcastle light rail, renewal & integrated transport

Post by boronia »

Reported elsewhere a couple of days ago that Fire+Rescue were called out to the depot to a report of smoke issuing from the roof of of one of the trams. Battery/capacitor failures already?
The Sydney Classic and Antique Truck (and Bus) Show
On again June 2021
@ The Museum of Fire.

User avatar
tonyp
Posts: 9446
Joined: Mon Nov 27, 2006 3:31 pm
Location: Shoalhaven

Re: Newcastle light rail, renewal & integrated transport

Post by tonyp »

https://www.nbnnews.com.au/2020/02/18/o ... ight-rail/
ONE YEAR OF THE NEWCASTLE LIGHT RAIL
By Samantha Poate - February 18, 2020

It’s been 365 days since Newcastle light rail launched, and the service has become a popular public transport option for Novocastrians.

The trams have carried about 1.2 million passengers since the first day of service last year.

The patronage, about 3400 per day, is more than the 1800 forecast during the planning phase.

Transport for NSW’s Acting Regional Director, North, Anna Zycki, said she was pleased to see locals and visitors embracing public transport.

“The light rail has made Newcastle Transport a truly integrated network, with almost half of passenger trips using the light rail to connect with bus, ferry or train services,” she said.
“We’ve seen public transport use in Newcastle and Lake Macquarie increase by more than 23 per cent in 2019, compared to 2018.”

The busiest days to date was December 20, 2019, recording over 5000 passenger trips.
Perpetually on a T3 to "I. P. Pavlova, přestup na Metro. Příští zastávka, Náměsti Míru"

User avatar
boronia
Posts: 19430
Joined: Fri Mar 05, 2004 7:18 pm
Favourite Vehicle: Fire engine; PD4107
Location: Sydney

Re: Newcastle light rail, renewal & integrated transport

Post by boronia »

Cracks found in Newcastle light rail tracks, 10 km/h speed limit imposed on parts of the line
Paywalled article:

https://www.newcastleherald.com.au/stor ... d-FiH6vNSA

Thought they didn't go much faster than this anyway?
The Sydney Classic and Antique Truck (and Bus) Show
On again June 2021
@ The Museum of Fire.

lunchbox
Posts: 1542
Joined: Sun Jan 14, 2007 5:50 am
Favourite Vehicle: Bicycle - no waiting - on time
Location: Sydney

Re: Newcastle light rail, renewal & integrated transport

Post by lunchbox »

I guess the cracks are in the concrete, not the rails!

User avatar
Newcastle Flyer
Posts: 4488
Joined: Fri Apr 09, 2004 3:20 am
Location: Somewhere between here, there & anywhere!

Re: Newcastle light rail, renewal & integrated transport

Post by Newcastle Flyer »

Paywall even in private mode.

^^ At Lunchbox, not sure.
^^ At Boronia don't think it will make that difference in time, the top speed limit is only 40 for both road and tram traffic.
White lives matter too, as do ALL lives.

User avatar
Swift
Posts: 10931
Joined: Sat Mar 06, 2004 2:23 am
Favourite Vehicle: Porshe 911 Carerra
Location: Ettalong- the world capital of 0405s.

Re: Newcastle light rail, renewal & integrated transport

Post by Swift »

So what's the problem? It won't impact average running time at all, even less so if it was the CSELR.
Unapologetically hate attention seeking bus pax.

matthewg
Posts: 1591
Joined: Wed Jun 13, 2012 3:11 am

Re: Newcastle light rail, renewal & integrated transport

Post by matthewg »

Swift wrote:So what's the problem? It won't impact average running time at all, even less so if it was the CSELR.
And the rails don't carry any traction return current either, so even if the rails cracked, as long as the concrete was holding the rails in gauge there shouldn't be much of a problem. According to the drawings in the presentation given by WSP in May 2019, there are insulated joints on each side of the stations, so there is no electrical danger from having a broken rail, they only have to worry about a misalignment.

Street tramways elsewhere operate over broken rails frequently, often at line speed if its mass concrete and the there is no danger of actual misalignment and there is a decent traction power return path. (It's not uncommon to have a negative feeder buried in the track with connections to the rails at regular intervals to ensure a good return path.)

User avatar
Newcastle Flyer
Posts: 4488
Joined: Fri Apr 09, 2004 3:20 am
Location: Somewhere between here, there & anywhere!

Re: Newcastle light rail, renewal & integrated transport

Post by Newcastle Flyer »

https://www.newcastleherald.com.au/stor ... s/?cs=7589
Newcastle Herald editorial March 14, 2020: Newcastle light rail extension business case published after FOI request

AFTER a Newcastle Herald application under NSW freedom-of-information laws, Transport Minister Andrew Constance has released a 64-page summary - prepared by Transport for NSW - of a business case on the extension of the Newcastle light rail, which in turn was produced by a private consulting firm Corview.

Having begun with 18 possible routes, consultants Corview narrowed these down to four, and then chose an almost straight line to the John Hunter Hospital through Broadmeadow and Russell Road as the "most suitable" next stage.

Little financial detail is included in this summary, but the consultants say that economically, there is "no urgent need" for a light rail extension.

Further, they make it plain that an obvious obstacle to the John Hunter proposal - a gradient of up to 9 per cent up going up the hill at Russell Road - poses "significant constructability issues".

Such a gradient would make that section one of the steepest light rail lines in the world.

Against these concerns, the John Hunter link "meets multiple strategic planning and transport goals, intersects major urban renewal and employment precincts and has lower impacts to the traffic network compared with other options".

Overall, however, two major problems remain.

The first is Newcastle's "very high levels" of car use and the correspondingly low level of public transport use. More importantly, though, it seems the numbers are just not there for light rail.

The report says Newcastle has a "growing" population, and the figures it presents - a 28 per cent increase in the study area population and an extra 117,000 people in Greater Newcastle - seem substantial enough.

But these are figures for the 40 years from 2016: a population increase of just 0.7 per cent annually for the project area, and 3000 a year across Greater Newcastle.

For perspective, Greater Sydney's population is set to grow by about 3 million over the same time, at a percentage rate about as twice as fast as Newcastle's.

This disparity is a major problem for the Hunter when it comes to prising money from governments that know the bulk of the NSW population is clustered in the capital.

But better services and infrastructure is one way the government can encourage growth in Newcastle as the state's second-largest city.

As controversial as it would be, an extended light rail could be part of that.
White lives matter too, as do ALL lives.

User avatar
boronia
Posts: 19430
Joined: Fri Mar 05, 2004 7:18 pm
Favourite Vehicle: Fire engine; PD4107
Location: Sydney

Re: Newcastle light rail, renewal & integrated transport

Post by boronia »

The Sydney Classic and Antique Truck (and Bus) Show
On again June 2021
@ The Museum of Fire.

User avatar
Newcastle Flyer
Posts: 4488
Joined: Fri Apr 09, 2004 3:20 am
Location: Somewhere between here, there & anywhere!

Re: Newcastle light rail, renewal & integrated transport

Post by Newcastle Flyer »

Trams have been cancelled since Sunday afternoon from about 17:30, due to a fire, and they are still suspended until further notice. Hunter St between Auckland & Union Sts is still blocked off.
Newcastle Light Rail - buses replacing light rail services
UPDATED 6 Apr 19:48

Ongoing
Buses are replacing light rail services in both directions between Newcastle Interchange and Newcastle Beach due to an earlier building fire on Hunter Street. Extra buses are running on routes 11, 13 and 14. Allow extra travel time.
White lives matter too, as do ALL lives.

User avatar
jpp42
Posts: 1161
Joined: Sat Jul 09, 2011 10:27 am

Re: Newcastle light rail, renewal & integrated transport

Post by jpp42 »

Further, they make it plain that an obvious obstacle to the John Hunter proposal - a gradient of up to 9 per cent up going up the hill at Russell Road - poses "significant constructability issues".

Such a gradient would make that section one of the steepest light rail lines in the world.
I was questioning this, but it seems an accurate statement that it would be one of the steepest in the world - but they do exist. The J Church line in San Francisco ( a "Muni Metro" light rail line - not a cable car) has a 9.1% grade, as does the suspended Allentown light rail line in Pittsburgh (52/Brown Line).

I am not sure what the "constructability issues" are though - to me it's more of ensuring that the vehicles can handle such a grade, as it seems standard vehicles may top out at around 6%. I don't know too much about Pittsburgh, but I believe in San Francisco, the Muni Metro's vehicles are specified for higher grades than normal (which I presume requires increased torque on the traction motors).

User avatar
tonyp
Posts: 9446
Joined: Mon Nov 27, 2006 3:31 pm
Location: Shoalhaven

Re: Newcastle light rail, renewal & integrated transport

Post by tonyp »

You need all wheels powered.
Perpetually on a T3 to "I. P. Pavlova, přestup na Metro. Příští zastávka, Náměsti Míru"

lunchbox
Posts: 1542
Joined: Sun Jan 14, 2007 5:50 am
Favourite Vehicle: Bicycle - no waiting - on time
Location: Sydney

Re: Newcastle light rail, renewal & integrated transport

Post by lunchbox »

What's the max gradient on the Carlingford Line?

User avatar
Newcastle Flyer
Posts: 4488
Joined: Fri Apr 09, 2004 3:20 am
Location: Somewhere between here, there & anywhere!

Re: Newcastle light rail, renewal & integrated transport

Post by Newcastle Flyer »

^^ Now closed Carlingford Line steepest part was about 1:37 (ie: about 2.7%)!
White lives matter too, as do ALL lives.

Post Reply

Return to “Discussion - Sydney / NSW”