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Fleet Lists wrote:Newcastle Beach is still shown as proposed http://www.gnb.nsw.gov.au/place_naming/ ... MnckFxxOIt

but Queens Wharf is shown as discontinued http://www.gnb.nsw.gov.au/place_naming/ ... ujjtZxKmJP
Newcastle Beach is now confirmed in the first of the above links.

Queens Wharf light rail stop is confirmed in http://www.gnb.nsw.gov.au/place_naming/ ... MnckXtUluj
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Daytime testing of the Light Rail seems to have commenced with the 1 tram which is already here. My office overlooks Hunter St and I saw it trundling along around 11am-ish...haven't seen it since though, may have just been a once off test.

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Newcastle Herald posted this article after my post. Constance was up here riding it, that explains it!

https://www.theherald.com.au/story/5780 ... ine/?cs=12
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Two more trams have arrived, with the last 3 arriving next year:
https://www.theherald.com.au/story/5792 ... a/?cs=7573
https://www.theherald.com.au/story/5797 ... e/?cs=7573

I'm actually next door neighbours with the driver trainer. He's pretty impressed by the system, and is training 14 drivers all up.
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mandonov wrote:
I'm actually next door neighbours with the driver trainer. He's pretty impressed by the system, and is training 14 drivers all up.
I hope that he recognises the importance of keeping average speed high through acceleration and deceleration rates, like this!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tWtx6uzxWGY&t

This is only 50 km/h maximum speed by the way, yet it's one of the fastest street tram services in the world in journey time. It will be interesting to see how long the flash recharges hold the tram at stops in Newcastle. A typical tram dwell should be in the range of 10-20 seconds.
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Case for light rail lines in NSW takes a battering once again

https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/cas ... 50lqn.html
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Some daytime testing video found on YouTube
Sadly nothing of the recharging.

https://youtu.be/xz1-_uAE5tk
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boronia wrote:Case for light rail lines in NSW takes a battering once again

https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/cas ... 50lqn.html
I would see it as a start-up for a larger system. Perhaps if they presented a case for that at the beginning, it wouldn't attract this sort of criticism. Quite obviously it looks a little ridiculous on its own and a bus could do the job for now. It also gullibly provides CAF with a free demonstrator for their technology. Perhaps CAF should be contributing to the cost.
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tonyp wrote: I would see it as a start-up for a larger system. Perhaps if they presented a case for that at the beginning, it wouldn't attract this sort of criticism. Quite obviously it looks a little ridiculous on its own and a bus could do the job for now. It also gullibly provides CAF with a free demonstrator for their technology. Perhaps CAF should be contributing to the cost.
It's already shaped urban planning in Newcastle, and it hasn't even begun service.

Aside from the development surrounding Newcastle Interchange, and the planned Uni campus partly on rail corridor land, specific planning guidelines and amendments have been implemented in the past few years to concentrate in-fill development around the possible route extensions that recent publications have outlined. That development is primarily focused on Maitland Rd, Tudor St, Brunker Rd, and Darby St, what are now served by routes 11, 14 and 28. Dozens of projects on Brunker Rd for example, comprising hundreds of apartments, are specifically touted as being built to further justify transport investment and light rail extension.
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Light rail report in Newcastle shows 'improper' conduct

https://www.theherald.com.au/story/5809 ... an-dawson/
“They’ll have difficulty running light rail efficiently and having traffic in narrowed spaces. You have to remember trams were taken out of Hunter Street in the 1970s because they were impeding traffic.”
Does anyone else share Ms Dawson's memories of these trams in Hunter St in the 1970s?
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I have a feeling that is a "mistake" of the media's, not hers.
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https://www.theherald.com.au/story/5846 ... e/?cs=7573
Top 5 safety issues along Newcastle light rail line

Newcastle Transport operator Keolis Downer has released video footage of concerning safety issues on the light rail line to boost tram awareness.

Max McKinney January 11 2019 - 6:30PM

The timely safety push comes after multiple trams began simultaneously running on the light rail line for the first time earlier this week.

Light rail staff, which have been guiding trams through the city since October, have seen a range of reckless behaviours on the 2.7km line.

The issues include motorists running red lights at light rail crossings, vehicles queuing over tracks at crossings, pedestrians jaywalking, using the tramway for walking, running, cycling, and vehicles performing illegal U-turns over light rail tracks.

With the line only weeks away from opening, Keolis Downer is appealing to city drivers and pedestrians to be safer around the new system.
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“We’re now running multiple vehicles for driver training and system testing, which means it’s especially important to address some of the dangerous behaviours we’re seeing.”

While no date has been set, Transport Minister Andrew Constance has said Newcastle light rail will begin passenger trips in February.
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Unfortunately, this is one of the results of driving trams at snail's pace - people treat them with contempt. Attitudes soon change if vehicles are bearing down on them at 30-50 km/h. You don't see people doing these things in general traffic lanes.
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So where are the traffic police?
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https://www.theherald.com.au/story/5857 ... n/?cs=7573

NSW government brings train back to Newcastle Station
Michael Parris January 19 2019 - 8:00AM

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What is this space missing?

If you’re a member of the state government’s transport and urban planning apparatus, the answer is obvious: a train.

In an act of political bravado that Topics can only sit back and admire, the government will drop a 6500-kilogram replica of the Newcastle Flyer onto the platform of Newcastle Station on Tuesday morning.

The “public arts installation” is 17 metres long, has cost $169,200 (art is expensive, isn’t it) and has been funded mostly by a Newcastle Port Community Contribution Fund grant. It comprises a Flyer “front end”, timber seats and a stainless steel recreation of an old timetable.

Topics would like to think the government, which closed the inner-city rail line three years ago in the face of spirited opposition, is doubling down on that decision by erecting such an edifice two months before an election.

Planning documents prepared for Hunter and Central Coast Development Corporation say the replica train will be “fully reversible and removable”.

For those keen on technicalities, the documents also say the installation is “modelled on the fuselage of a C38 Class Steam Locomotive which used to pull the Newcastle express passenger service between Newcastle and Sydney – known as ‘The Flyer’, and in particular engine No. 3820 which was the last to run this route before being decommissioned”.

“The arts installation will be located on the former rail tracks adjacent to Platform 1 where the train originally departed … promoting conversations about the role and history of this place.”

On Tuesday morning, a crane will deposit the scaled version of a Flyer front end onto the concrete slab that now covers the tracks. The train, made by Picton-based company Gray Design Space, will have buttons for the kids which trigger trainy sounds and lights.

Topics has heard that Transport Minister Andrew Constance could be in town on Wednesday to unveil the replica.

The possible ministerial presence has set tongues wagging that he could also announce an early start to light rail services. There’s maybe not enough tram vehicles ready to get the entire service running, but what about a limited outing carrying punters to the foreshore on Australia Day?

Come on, Andrew, fire ’er up!
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So there's been quite a few local articles recently urging the public not to walk along the tracks etc..

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You would think if they didn't want people walking along this pleasant little boulevard then they would build an actual parallel path to accommodate them.
Alas, all we have next to the only rail corridor stop is a dead end.

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The path could have begun here, continuing past the planned activation of Cottage Creek and on to Worth Place.

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As with the IWLR, it'll be a slow affair

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You speak too much sense mandonov. Actually, those walkers in the first photo aren't doing it right. For the laws of natural selection to work properly, you need to be walking in the fourfoot.

I'm sure that those micromanaged, stanchion by stanchion speed limits beloved by NSW light rail planners will soon feature as a case study on acute OCD in somewhere like the British Journal of Psychology.
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The artwork featured on the light rail stop service cabinets:

Newcastle Beach

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Queen's Wharf

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Crown Street

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Civic

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Honeysuckle

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Video I took yesterday

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Hope that's not indicative of the usual stop time.
I got about 45 seconds stop to start with 25 seconds of actual charging time.

Takes quite a long time for the pole to raise and return given the difference in height - I wonder why the charging point can't be lower, or poles travel in a 2/3 position
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moa999 wrote:Hope that's not indicative of the usual stop time.
It seems to be - for each stop! See my video here: https://youtu.be/0estc1qtVWQ?t=21 (Stops from 24 seconds to 1 min 5 sec.)

About 45 - 47 seconds from stop to go at each stop.

They are meant to do the 2.65 km length in about 12 - 15 minutes. And from observing each tram, I'd suggest that may be about right.
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I think we need to wait until service starts to see the final outcome on those stops. If it is that bad, it going to be a real drag on the Parramatta line. Parramatta would actually be suitable for in-motion charging, but I don't think they'll get that from CAF. I hate it when transport agencies can't inform themselves well enough to choose the best product. They seem to lazily prefer the manufacturer to take them for a ride, so to speak.

How long does it take to walk from terminal to terminal? About half an hour or less?
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Andrew CONstance in town & so called replica of train

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At Tonyp, the actual documents at first stated 17 minutes, before it was lowered to 12 minutes.

Looks like Andrew CONstance is in town today (Wednesday 23 Jan 2019) & the trams to start on Sun 17 Feb 2019: https://www.theherald.com.au/story/5863 ... -on/?cs=12

Steam engines were NOT the Newcastle Flyer, and that is the "WORSTEST" (oh okay Spelling Police, "worst") replica I've seen.
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Auditor-General’s report shows Newcastle given a dud light rail program

https://www.theherald.com.au/story/5827 ... am-report/
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