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Re: 'The Hop' Branding Rollout

Postby moa999 » Mon Nov 06, 2017 11:01 pm

Don't think we had a Town Hall Reno thread, so here will do, but noticed over the weekend that they have installed some additional wayfinding signs near each escalator. Usual metal exterior with orange trim.

But these are electronic. We're displaying Testing when I saw them, but presumably will be used with the escalator direction changes that occur at Town Hall as the flows alter.
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Re: 'The Hop' Branding Rollout

Postby Jurassic_Joke » Tue Nov 07, 2017 3:18 pm

I don't think its purely for the escalator changes. To those escalators that are not going towards the platform, theres already an appropriate overhead NO ENTRY sign that can easily be flipped to Platform 4/ Platforms 5-6

I'm wondering if it'll actually be something like the Dutch do with their railway system:

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A small electronic screen on the concourse, giving some brief information about the next train departure on the platform.

But knowing TfNSW under the Libs and how much care, thought and creativity has actually gone into The Hop (aka none at all), I'm not really that hopeful :D can always dream
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Re: 'The Hop' Branding Rollout

Postby Daniel » Tue Nov 07, 2017 7:33 pm

It doesn't appear they are large enough for that level of detail.
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Re: 'The Hop' Branding Rollout

Postby moa999 » Mon Nov 13, 2017 11:48 pm

8 electronic signs, 8 escalators.
From the current text could be up to four lines of display.

But I'd expect it just to show platform numbers and Tx Line identifier, or No Entry.

Already plenty of PIDs around the Concourse
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Re: 'The Hop' Branding Rollout

Postby Stu » Tue Nov 21, 2017 8:33 pm

The impending new timetable commmencing from 26/11/2017 also means that the Bus Priority Infrastructure Program will see changes rolled out across the Inner West, mostly affecting Region 6. During June and July a very large percentage of bus stops along routes 412 and 423 had the old yellow j-stems removed and new blue hop blades and j-stems installed. Now some of these shinny and colourful new bus stops will be removed due to the Bus Priority Infrastructure Program, what a waste of time and money. I wonder if it is possible to screen print white ink over the blade that has been removed and then reprint the new information over the blade? Otherwise the blade or j-stem for that matter will have to be thrown out (recycled) due to each blade/j-stem displaying individual location information and route information.

TfNSW tasked the RMS with the responsibility for rolling out this particular program, at the same time TfNSW are busy putting up new hop bus stops the RMS will now be busy removing the said new bus stop signage.

There is a bus stop on Livingstone Rd (facing North) near Morgan St, Petersham which has a hop bus stop blade with the incorrect information. Two services stop here; 412-In and 428-Out.
- 412 City Martin Place.
- 428 City Martin Place. (Incorrect)
Solution; afix white tape over the affected area to convince customers that the 428 does not stop here at all or if it does stop here, the service has no destination.
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Re: 'The Hop' Branding Rollout

Postby quaidy » Tue Nov 21, 2017 9:09 pm

Stu wrote:The impending new timetable commmencing from 26/11/2017 also means that the Bus Priority Infrastructure Program will see changes rolled out across the Inner West, mostly affecting Region 6. During June and July a very large percentage of bus stops along routes 412 and 423 had the old yellow j-stems removed and new blue hop blades and j-stems installed. Now some of these shinny and colourful new bus stops will be removed due to the Bus Priority Infrastructure Program, what a waste of time and money. I wonder if it is possible to screen print white ink over the blade that has been removed and then reprint the new information over the blade? Otherwise the blade or j-stem for that matter will have to be thrown out (recycled) due to each blade/j-stem displaying individual location information and route information.

TfNSW tasked the RMS with the responsibility for rolling out this particular program, at the same time TfNSW are busy putting up new hop bus stops the RMS will now be busy removing the said new bus stop signage.

There is a bus stop on Livingstone Rd (facing North) near Morgan St, Petersham which has a hop bus stop blade with the incorrect information. Two services stop here; 412-In and 428-Out.
- 412 City Martin Place.
- 428 City Martin Place. (Incorrect)
Solution; afix white tape over the affected area to convince customers that the 428 does not stop here at all or if it does stop here, the service has no destination.
Many of the stops to be removed along the 412 were not redone in the new style. Initially I wondered why they missed a few but now it seems these are the ones to be removed. Notices have gone up at them.
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Re: 'The Hop' Branding Rollout

Postby moa999 » Wed Nov 22, 2017 2:21 pm

About half the new Town Hall signs were working today.
Pic from outside, with my crappy focus in low light.

As I predicted, very simple.
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This was next to two no-entry escalators. Arrow points 45 deg down when next to an entry point.
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Re: 'The Hop' Branding Rollout

Postby swtt » Wed Nov 22, 2017 4:40 pm

moa999 wrote:About half the new Town Hall signs were working today.
Pic from outside, with my crappy focus in low light.

As I predicted, very simple.
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This was next to two no-entry escalators. Arrow points 45 deg down when next to an entry point.


I guess the directions of the escalators will be changing according to needs, much more frequently than they currently do?
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Re: 'The Hop' Branding Rollout

Postby Jurassic_Joke » Thu Nov 23, 2017 2:41 pm

The new concourse-indicators at Parramatta giving some brief information of the next departing train (what I was hoping what we would see at Town Hall with those new LED displays) is a step in the right direction vs useless platform numbers at stations with more platforms/lines

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Meanwhile, at Parramatta as well, T5 line signage directing customers where the 4 car trains will stop:

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Re: 'The Hop' Branding Rollout

Postby quaidy » Thu Nov 23, 2017 5:48 pm

They need something instead of a T for intercity, maybe BMT in a box?


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Re: 'The Hop' Branding Rollout

Postby Swift » Fri Nov 24, 2017 1:50 pm

Your avatar provides the ultimate solution, but this is today's NSW.
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Re: 'The Hop' Branding Rollout

Postby Stu » Fri Nov 24, 2017 10:05 pm

quaidy wrote:
Stu wrote:The impending new timetable commmencing from 26/11/2017 also means that the Bus Priority Infrastructure Program will see changes rolled out across the Inner West, mostly affecting Region 6. During June and July a very large percentage of bus stops along routes 412 and 423 had the old yellow j-stems removed and new blue hop blades and j-stems installed. Now some of these shinny and colourful new bus stops will be removed due to the Bus Priority Infrastructure Program, what a waste of time and money. I wonder if it is possible to screen print white ink over the blade that has been removed and then reprint the new information over the blade? Otherwise the blade or j-stem for that matter will have to be thrown out (recycled) due to each blade/j-stem displaying individual location information and route information.

TfNSW tasked the RMS with the responsibility for rolling out this particular program, at the same time TfNSW are busy putting up new hop bus stops the RMS will now be busy removing the said new bus stop signage.

There is a bus stop on Livingstone Rd (facing North) near Morgan St, Petersham which has a hop bus stop blade with the incorrect information. Two services stop here; 412-In and 428-Out.
- 412 City Martin Place.
- 428 City Martin Place. (Incorrect)
Solution; afix white tape over the affected area to convince customers that the 428 does not stop here at all or if it does stop here, the service has no destination.
Many of the stops to be removed along the 412 were not redone in the new style. Initially I wondered why they missed a few but now it seems these are the ones to be removed. Notices have gone up at them.



The bus stop on Homer St near Braeside Cr is a blue Hop branded bus stop and is scheduled for removal.
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Re: 'The Hop' Branding Rollout

Postby TSE_SecretAni » Sun Nov 26, 2017 3:09 pm

Does anyone have copy of "Getting around with Sydney Trains" brochure with November 2017 version?
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Re: 'The Hop' Branding Rollout

Postby MLVD » Sun Nov 26, 2017 4:49 pm

At Glenfield station:
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Re: 'The Hop' Branding Rollout

Postby Jurassic_Joke » Sun Nov 26, 2017 7:23 pm

Looks great, now hopefully they bring these to more (larger) stations on the network.
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Re: 'The Hop' Branding Rollout

Postby Mr Twig » Sun Nov 26, 2017 7:37 pm

Looks like a cheap version of Hop branding has made its way to Red Bus bus stop signs on the Central Coast. B with a "Please signal driver" decal covering the old version.
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Re: 'The Hop' Branding Rollout

Postby Jurassic_Joke » Sun Nov 26, 2017 11:45 pm

Town Hall has already been updated.

New subtle design/style which I think is quite nice.
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And then naturally the rest of the existing signs got refreshed.
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Re: 'The Hop' Branding Rollout

Postby Swift » Mon Nov 27, 2017 3:10 am

I still don't understand this T nonsense. How would poor visitors to Sydney cope? They would feel lost like they are in another...oh never mind.
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Re: 'The Hop' Branding Rollout

Postby jaseee » Mon Nov 27, 2017 5:34 pm

The Town Hall signage says that T3 Liverpool services go from Platform 6, except a lot of them now go from Platform 1 instead, so it is a bit confusing for passengers who might not know this.
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Re: 'The Hop' Branding Rollout

Postby moa999 » Mon Nov 27, 2017 7:20 pm

Liverpool is mentioned on the Platform 1 list as well.
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Re: 'The Hop' Branding Rollout

Postby swtt » Mon Nov 27, 2017 9:16 pm

moa999 wrote:Liverpool is mentioned on the Platform 1 list as well.

Because it's T2 Leppington via Liverpool? :P

Or is it T3 Liverpool via Bankstown?
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Re: 'The Hop' Branding Rollout

Postby jaseee » Mon Nov 27, 2017 9:23 pm

It's T3 Liverpool via Bankstown, hence my post! It is wrong (the sign).
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Re: 'The Hop' Branding Rollout

Postby swtt » Tue Nov 28, 2017 6:52 am

jaseee wrote:It's T3 Liverpool via Bankstown, hence my post! It is wrong (the sign).
Misread your post.

Not exactly wrong, but on weekends that is where Liverpool via Bankstown trains depart.

Hard when it's both platforms 1 and 6.

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Re: 'The Hop' Branding Rollout

Postby marcnut1996 » Wed Nov 29, 2017 9:11 pm

If I'm not wrong, most T3 services from city use City Circle clockwise (even on weekends) except for Liverpool bound on weekdays, so it would use Platform 6 (clockwise City Circle) a lot more often than Platform 1 (anticlockwise City Circle).
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Re: 'The Hop' Branding Rollout

Postby Jurassic_Joke » Fri Dec 08, 2017 12:28 am

Some stations that never had (Hop) platform-wayfinding before the new timetable have gotten this recently since the new timetable.

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Mascot. First Airport Link station I've seen with this kind of sign.

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Redfern has been given back platform information too which was wrongly removed when the station underwent Hop treatment.

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They forgot one for platform 12??? Looks pretty half baked to me
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