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Light rail gets the green light: stage 1 UNSW to CBD

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Re: Light rail gets the green light: stage 1 UNSW to CBD

Postby boronia » Fri Sep 13, 2019 7:37 pm

I watched a training run come past Central about 7 this morning. It got the T light through the pedestrian crossing in Eddy Ave, and at most only waited a couple of seconds for the T light to cross Pitt St.

Maybe they are getting their act together?
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Re: Light rail gets the green light: stage 1 UNSW to CBD

Postby Swift » Fri Sep 13, 2019 7:51 pm

I hope these street Tangaras have good pick up. They'll need it!
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Re: Light rail gets the green light: stage 1 UNSW to CBD

Postby boronia » Fri Sep 13, 2019 8:54 pm

I timed a couple of trams on George St crossing Hay St the other day.

From a standing start it took 42 seconds to clear the intersection, with a rolling pass about 33 seconds
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Re: Light rail gets the green light: stage 1 UNSW to CBD

Postby Swift » Sat Sep 14, 2019 4:52 pm

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From a standing start it took 42 seconds to clear the intersection, with a rolling pass about 33 seconds

Sounds about right with these silly looking coupled sets.
I have a hunch they will get separated, if for no other reason motorists complaints.
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Re: Light rail gets the green light: stage 1 UNSW to CBD

Postby boronia » Sat Sep 14, 2019 6:05 pm

They can't separate them for capacity reasons, without halving the frequency. Two minute separations more likely to result in bunching.

Two single trams would probably require more cumulative crossing time than one double set
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Re: Light rail gets the green light: stage 1 UNSW to CBD

Postby Fleet Lists » Sat Sep 14, 2019 6:15 pm

I would agree but would we be able to convince the motorists of that?
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Re: Light rail gets the green light: stage 1 UNSW to CBD

Postby STMPainter2018 » Sat Sep 14, 2019 11:03 pm

Swift wrote:I hope these street Tangaras have good pick up. They'll need it!
Swift wrote:Sounds about right with these silly looking coupled sets.
I have a hunch they will get separated, if for no other reason motorists complaints.

Do you seriously ever think before you type? All I'm seeing is word vomit and dismissive comments. I've said this before: these are not "Street Tangaras"; these are proper genuine trams! And they're just as valid as any other model of tram, old and new. Hell you might as well call EVERY modern articulated tram a "Street Tangara" if that's your type of attitude. And none of it comes with constructive critique. Why even bother? To be edgy and get attention? You're just full of XXX most of the time, and also inconsistent. One moment your showing enthusiasm for this project, the next you're calling it a "glorified travelator". Then you give the trams (which they definitely are trams) mild praise, the next you call them "silly looking" and deride them for being coupled, despite Sydney's original system operating this way. You wanna talk about how "silly looking" the old toast racks were too? I just don't get you. You need to take several seats, then come back when have something worthy of typing. Just quit being an idiot cause no one's impressed.
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Re: Light rail gets the green light: stage 1 UNSW to CBD

Postby boronia » Sun Sep 15, 2019 8:42 am

They only finished work on the Kensington stop and few days ago, and on Friday:
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Re: Light rail gets the green light: stage 1 UNSW to CBD

Postby Linto63 » Sun Sep 15, 2019 9:51 am

Swift wrote:
boronia wrote:I have a hunch they will get separated, if for no other reason motorists complaints.
Has been made clear on a number of occasions that they will operate as doubles.
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Re: Light rail gets the green light: stage 1 UNSW to CBD

Postby Swift » Sun Sep 15, 2019 11:01 am

STMPainter2018 wrote:Just quit being an idiot cause no one's impressed.

At least this idiot strives to use the right wording when expressing himself.
EDIT You might want to look at this O-train from Canada instead of getting so personal.
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Re: Light rail gets the green light: stage 1 UNSW to CBD

Postby moa999 » Fri Sep 27, 2019 4:51 pm

First pedestrian v tram incident today with a teenager taken to hospital.

From the pics looks like it occured around Lang Rd
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Re: Light rail gets the green light: stage 1 UNSW to CBD

Postby swtt » Fri Sep 27, 2019 5:13 pm

boronia wrote:They only finished work on the Kensington stop and few days ago, and on Friday:
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Rectifying defects? :shock: :shock:
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Re: Light rail gets the green light: stage 1 UNSW to CBD

Postby moa999 » Fri Sep 27, 2019 6:46 pm

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Re: Light rail gets the green light: stage 1 UNSW to CBD

Postby boronia » Fri Sep 27, 2019 7:06 pm

If he got hit by a bus or a car, it probably wouldn't make the news.

I was at Chalmers St yesterday morning; a tram was just leaving, heading towards Devonshire St and the pedestrian lights went green just before the tram got there, and it had to brake suddenly.
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Re: Light rail gets the green light: stage 1 UNSW to CBD

Postby Swift » Fri Sep 27, 2019 8:13 pm

Saw him on the news. Charles Darwin comes to mind when you look at his face -the theory that is.
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Re: Light rail gets the green light: stage 1 UNSW to CBD

Postby tonyp » Fri Sep 27, 2019 8:37 pm

The video suggests little anticipation by the driver - seemingly no slackening of acceleration and, more significantly, no use of the bell. It can be seen in the distance that he victim was acting in an unstable manner. Important to "read" the actions of pedestrians as you approach.
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SYDNEY LIGHT RAIL MISHAP

Postby captainch » Fri Sep 27, 2019 9:58 pm

Sydney light rail had its first ped accident today hitting a young teenager...... also first day of the school holidays.....latter police charged a 15 year old male.television news on channel 7 shows the teenager being hit. trams go faster than the old days and are much silent...... thoughts go out to the new driver. :roll: I THINK THERE IS GOING TO BE A LOT OF SOILED UNDERWEAR if people don't get of their tablets & phones whist walking around near trams also buses in the city. :shock: :shock:
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Re: SYDNEY LIGHT RAIL MISHAP

Postby Stonesourscotty » Fri Sep 27, 2019 10:32 pm

Need some more of lights on the floor like in China town

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Re: SYDNEY LIGHT RAIL MISHAP

Postby rogf24 » Fri Sep 27, 2019 10:34 pm

Don't feel too sorry for him, he was just outright being a dumbass, wasn't even on phone.
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Re: Light rail gets the green light: stage 1 UNSW to CBD

Postby moa999 » Sat Sep 28, 2019 1:41 am

No audio, so you can't hear whether a bell was rung.

The kid definitely hadn't recognised the approaching tram, was focused on the other one, and his mates on the other side
Given the timing of his approach, can only assume he was trying to impress his mates by jumping over the join between the two sets.
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Re: SYDNEY LIGHT RAIL MISHAP

Postby tonyp » Sat Sep 28, 2019 6:16 am

These trams are generally operated slower than the old trams but quieter. Use of the bell is going to be very important. We haven't seen anything yet compared to what will come with electric buses. The Yutong has an electronic bell but I don't know what sort of signal the BYD has. As a side note, it raises the question in my mind of what sort of warning signal the old Sydney trolley buses had.
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Re: Light rail gets the green light: stage 1 UNSW to CBD

Postby boronia » Sat Sep 28, 2019 8:57 am

It looks like he was trying to cross the tracks, but there was already a tram on the other side in the way. It even looks like he did this deliberately. Good on the cops for fining him, they should do this more often.

Gongs, horns, whistles, reversing alarms, even sirens on emergency vehicles, do not seem to register with a lot of people.
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Re: SYDNEY LIGHT RAIL MISHAP

Postby Jurassic_Joke » Tue Oct 01, 2019 2:11 am

tonyp wrote:Use of the bell is going to be very important.


The Citadis X05 here has the same bell as the Inner West Urbos trams...which is then the same bell as Melbournes E Class. That bell sound, I am growing quite fond of it.
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Re: SYDNEY LIGHT RAIL MISHAP

Postby tonyp » Tue Oct 01, 2019 8:07 am

Jurassic_Joke wrote:
The Citadis X05 here has the same bell as the Inner West Urbos trams...which is then the same bell as Melbournes E Class. That bell sound, I am growing quite fond of it.

It drives me crazy - like Santa Claus or an ice cream truck on steroids! I prefer the European clatter gong:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=84OJD8XxAB0
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Re: SYDNEY LIGHT RAIL MISHAP

Postby Swift » Tue Oct 01, 2019 4:03 pm

tonyp wrote:It drives me crazy - like Santa Claus or an ice cream truck on steroids! I prefer the European clatter gong:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=84OJD8XxAB0

The first one must be an Australian driver. :roll:
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