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Re: Light rail gets the green light: stage 1 UNSW to CBD

Postby boronia » Thu Jul 27, 2017 10:06 am

boronia wrote:There is another "community information forum" being held at the Kensington Masonic Hall next Tuesday 17:00 to 19:00.

I wandered along to this session.

I asked one of Altrac staff if the "tram" in the yard was real or just a mock up?
"What tram? Nothing has arrived yet".
"So what is the 30 metre long object all wrapped up in plastic sitting on the tracks?"
(Embarrassed blush) "Oh that?; yes, it is a tram".

I noticed yesterday that it has been moved over onto another track "inside" the building.
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Re: Light rail gets the green light: stage 1 UNSW to CBD

Postby Swift » Thu Jul 27, 2017 10:23 am

^so you essentially caught him in a lie. Makes you wonder what else they are keeping secret.
Sums up their attitude toward us.
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Re: Light rail gets the green light: stage 1 UNSW to CBD

Postby mandonov » Thu Jul 27, 2017 11:02 am

They're probably waiting for the ministerial press conference to make it public. Can't pass up that media opportunity!
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Re: Light rail gets the green light: stage 1 UNSW to CBD

Postby boronia » Thu Jul 27, 2017 11:43 am

Probably waiting for some other crisis to come up, and use the "first tram unveiling" as a decoy. :twisted:
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Re: Light rail gets the green light: stage 1 UNSW to CBD

Postby tonyp » Thu Jul 27, 2017 12:11 pm

boronia wrote:"What tram? Nothing has arrived yet".

The elephant in the room lol. :lol:

They should have ordered it in HO scale, it would have been easier to hide.
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Re: Light rail gets the green light: stage 1 UNSW to CBD

Postby Swift » Thu Jul 27, 2017 1:37 pm

tonyp wrote:
boronia wrote:"What tram? Nothing has arrived yet".

The elephant in the room lol. :lol:


A line of 16 elephants more like.
EDIT: been meaning to ask this. I have noticed asphalt in the grooves of the rails. Do they have special equipment to remove it before the trams travel on them? It looks like it will be a bit of a job to remove.
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Re: Light rail gets the green light: stage 1 UNSW to CBD

Postby boronia » Thu Jul 27, 2017 2:50 pm

I also asked this guy how trams would get from the depot to Kingsford and v/v.

I'm not sure if this has been clarified here previously, but it seems that a cross-over will be installed just north of "Kensington Junction", so trams will not have to go all the way to Moore Park to reverse (same with trams going to Randwick). Trams going into the depot will have to reverse a second time at Royal Randwick to access a connecting track. Despite an internal track in the depot terminating just a few metres short of Ascot St, he did not grasp the convenience of extending this line down to Anzac Pde.

The two connecting tracks from the depot have been in place across Allison Rd for a few weeks now.
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Re: Light rail gets the green light: stage 1 UNSW to CBD

Postby boronia » Thu Jul 27, 2017 3:03 pm

"Bondi Junction" also covers a fairly wide area, as far west as the bus depot, and east to Bondi Rd. It probably has a bit more GNB legitimacy though.
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Re: Light rail gets the green light: stage 1 UNSW to CBD

Postby tonyp » Thu Jul 27, 2017 5:27 pm

boronia wrote:"Bondi Junction" also covers a fairly wide area, as far west as the bus depot, and east to Bondi Rd. It probably has a bit more GNB legitimacy though.

Those "Junction" suburb names in Sydney and Newcastle do have legitimacy though as the names of former tramway junctions. It's a bit different from naming a junction when there isn't or wasn't one. Perhaps in Australia's migrant English test, applicants should be asked to explain "Shellharbour Junction". That would filter out about 99.9% of applicants!
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Re: Light rail gets the green light: stage 1 UNSW to CBD

Postby Swift » Thu Jul 27, 2017 8:11 pm

Just checked out the 2003 UBD street directory and Bondi Junction is a standard suburb name on the map in capitals, Maroubra Junction is in smaller and lower case print under the suburb name Maroubra, signifying it as a locality. The name Randwick Junction is not on the map at all, so I guess that is why the council thinks it has carte blanche.
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Re: Light rail gets the green light: stage 1 UNSW to CBD

Postby lunchbox » Fri Jul 28, 2017 4:50 pm

I can't believe it! It's more than 24 hours since Greg Sutherland declared in the S.M.Herald of 27.7.17 the lack of interoperability between the Inner West light rail line and the Eastern suburbs line, and nobody here has yet discussed it. The article did however generate three letters to the editor the following day, pontificating (still!) on the size of the North West metro tunnels!
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Re: Light rail gets the green light: stage 1 UNSW to CBD

Postby Linto63 » Fri Jul 28, 2017 5:14 pm

Probably because nobody else considers it to be a big issue. Given the 2 lines will operate independently, save for some ECS working on the Inner West line by CBD&SE trams to Lilyfield depot, not really an issue.

For a tram to operate from Dulwich Hill to Moore Park would require a reversal of direction because of the way the junction at the corner of George & Hay Strees is configured, so not overly practical when a major sporting event is taking place. Not to mention that the new trams will be too long to be accommodated on the existing platforms.
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Re: Light rail gets the green light: stage 1 UNSW to CBD

Postby moa999 » Fri Jul 28, 2017 5:31 pm

Stating the obvious is hardly news.

Now if we could properly separate and have dedicated fleet for each rail line
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Re: Light rail gets the green light: stage 1 UNSW to CBD

Postby boronia » Fri Jul 28, 2017 6:49 pm

lunchbox wrote:I can't believe it! It's more than 24 hours since Greg Sutherland declared in the S.M.Herald of 27.7.17 the lack of interoperability between the Inner West light rail line and the Eastern suburbs line, and nobody here has yet discussed it. The article did however generate three letters to the editor the following day, pontificating (still!) on the size of the North West metro tunnels!

It has been known in enthusiast circles for quite some time; not sure if it was discussed here previously.
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Re: Light rail gets the green light: stage 1 UNSW to CBD

Postby boronia » Fri Jul 28, 2017 7:20 pm

Linto63 wrote:
For a tram to operate from Dulwich Hill to Moore Park would require a reversal of direction because of the way the junction at the corner of George & Hay Strees is configured, so not overly practical when a major sporting event is taking place. Not to mention that the new trams will be too long to be accommodated on the existing platforms.

I didn't have to be that way.
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Re: Light rail gets the green light: stage 1 UNSW to CBD

Postby Swift » Fri Jul 28, 2017 7:26 pm

boronia wrote:
Linto63 wrote:
For a tram to operate from Dulwich Hill to Moore Park would require a reversal of direction because of the way the junction at the corner of George & Hay Strees is configured, so not overly practical when a major sporting event is taking place. Not to mention that the new trams will be too long to be accommodated on the existing platforms.

I didn't have to be that way.

In this State , yes it did!
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Re: Light rail gets the green light: stage 1 UNSW to CBD

Postby boronia » Fri Jul 28, 2017 7:33 pm

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Re: Light rail gets the green light: stage 1 UNSW to CBD

Postby boronia » Fri Jul 28, 2017 8:57 pm

Swift wrote:Just checked out the 2003 UBD street directory and Bondi Junction is a standard suburb name on the map in capitals, Maroubra Junction is in smaller and lower case print under the suburb name Maroubra, signifying it as a locality. The name Randwick Junction is not on the map at all, so I guess that is why the council thinks it has carte blanche.

Bondi Junction has its own Post Office as distinct from Bondi and Bondi Beach POs.
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Re: Light rail gets the green light: stage 1 UNSW to CBD

Postby Swift » Fri Jul 28, 2017 9:23 pm

boronia wrote:Bondi Junction has its own Post Office as distinct from Bondi and Bondi Beach POs.

Unlike Maroubra Junction and the fabled Randwick Junction.
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Re: Light rail gets the green light: stage 1 UNSW to CBD

Postby tonyp » Sat Jul 29, 2017 7:42 am

You can search what's real and what isn't here:

http://www.gnb.nsw.gov.au/place_naming/placename_search
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Re: Light rail gets the green light: stage 1 UNSW to CBD

Postby Swift » Sat Jul 29, 2017 11:17 am

^I thought I did.
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Re: Light rail gets the green light: stage 1 UNSW to CBD

Postby Liamena » Sat Jul 29, 2017 1:28 pm

I think the line should have terminated at "The Spot".

That would be a great name.
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Re: Light rail gets the green light: stage 1 UNSW to CBD

Postby burrumbus » Sat Jul 29, 2017 1:53 pm

My opinion,for what it is worth is the Randwick line should have terminated at Coogee Beach along the 373 route.Thats the busiest service there.
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Re: Light rail gets the green light: stage 1 UNSW to CBD

Postby simonl » Sat Jul 29, 2017 2:31 pm

burrumbus wrote:My opinion,for what it is worth is the Randwick line should have terminated at Coogee Beach along the 373 route.Thats the busiest service there.

Obviously the High Cross Park termination point is retarded but would there be issues with reviving the old route via Carr St?
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Re: Light rail gets the green light: stage 1 UNSW to CBD

Postby burrumbus » Sat Jul 29, 2017 3:11 pm

Carr Street,just before the corner with Arden Street,Simon.Simple terminus,within one block walking distance of the beach and commercial area.Just convert Carr Street to a tram only street.
I found it fascinating that the tram won't go down to Coogee.Coogee generates great patronage ,but the line will terminate roughly a km and a half short at Randwick.A missed opportunity I think.
I wonder whether the reasoning was the cost in going down the hill,but in such an expensive project ,a few million more in going down the hill,relative to the patronage in Coogee would be worth the investment over the long term.
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