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Re: Light rail gets the green light: stage 1 UNSW to CBD

Postby burrumbus » Thu Dec 21, 2017 3:10 pm

My definition of load and go is tram arrives,Pax load onto feeder buses and buses leave immediately.
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Re: Light rail gets the green light: stage 1 UNSW to CBD

Postby Swift » Thu Dec 21, 2017 3:16 pm

I think expansion south will start in earnest once everyone sees how well (not!!) changing modes will work.
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Re: Light rail gets the green light: stage 1 UNSW to CBD

Postby burrumbus » Thu Dec 21, 2017 3:22 pm

I hope you are wrong on changing modes, Swift,but TFNSW/STA are not progressive organizations.If it is done well it will provide a vast improvement to the current bus network.If done poorly it will just drive people into their cars and produce vastly more congestion.And as you say the calls for expansion south of the trams will skyrocket.Reducing the end to end journey times by bus and tram is the key.
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Re: Light rail gets the green light: stage 1 UNSW to CBD

Postby Linto63 » Thu Dec 21, 2017 7:02 pm

Of course the most sensible solution would have been to extend the Eastern Suburbs Railway from Bondi Junction. No longer an option though with some shortsightedness seeing the reserved corridor to Randwick flogged off, IIRC by the Carr government.
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Re: Light rail gets the green light: stage 1 UNSW to CBD

Postby Frosty » Thu Dec 21, 2017 7:59 pm

We all now that the bus & LR transfers will be hopeless particularly at the Kingsford end. But hopefully they don't stuff the Randwick end where it's simply a short shuttle to Coogee & slightly longer trip down to Maroubra Beach. On a recent trip to the Gold Coast they do quite well.

If they wanted to work as well they could redo significant parts of the Eastern Subs network. Like routes that will terminate at Kensington they could replace the 303 peak hour short workings from Zetland to the City. Maybe have more east-west routes.
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Re: Light rail gets the green light: stage 1 UNSW to CBD

Postby tonyp » Fri Dec 22, 2017 6:12 am

hornetfig wrote:
Just to disrupt the prevailing narrative that traffic priorities are the cause of poor run times:

I don't think anybody has ever said that they're likely to be the only cause. Lethargic running is the over-riding problem in new tram systems in NSW - exemplified by micromanaged speed limits as you illustrate.
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Re: Light rail gets the green light: stage 1 UNSW to CBD

Postby tonyp » Fri Dec 22, 2017 6:17 am

Frosty wrote:We all now that the bus & LR transfers will be hopeless particularly at the Kingsford end. But hopefully they don't stuff the Randwick end where it's simply a short shuttle to Coogee & slightly longer trip down to Maroubra Beach. On a recent trip to the Gold Coast they do quite well.

When I say that the journey time should be less than 25 minutes, that observation is based on, not only what a tram in other non-NSW systems will achieve over that distance, but also on a major justification for the line being that it will offer better value than the bus system. The bottom line there is that, should you just miss a tram at the outer terminus and have to wait 8 minutes for the next one, then the overall journey time to the city should still be less (including that 8 minute wait) than if you'd stayed on a bus for the whole journey.

Edit: reduced journey time is a KPI apparently:

https://www.domain.com.au/news/driving- ... -autopromo
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Re: Light rail gets the green light: stage 1 UNSW to CBD

Postby Swift » Fri Dec 22, 2017 9:41 am

Big deal. you would expect that reaction, and I bet property prices will correct themselves within two weeks of the line opening. It will be a glorifed travelator.
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Re: Light rail gets the green light: stage 1 UNSW to CBD

Postby Passenger 57 » Fri Dec 22, 2017 3:17 pm

What sort of service frequencies could be offered on the ES side of line if the line was partitioned at Central? Add loop terminii if desired. Where are you measuring journey times to tony? How does the tram look if only the times up to Central and Bathurst St are compared?
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Re: Light rail gets the green light: stage 1 UNSW to CBD

Postby boronia » Fri Dec 22, 2017 3:45 pm

There would be a big time loss just getting from Chalmers St into George St, esp if there is no priority.
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Re: Light rail gets the green light: stage 1 UNSW to CBD

Postby Frosty » Fri Dec 22, 2017 4:21 pm

There would be significant time loss at many intersections if there's no priority thinking of Anzac Pde Nineways, Allison Rd, South Dowling St, Cleveland St/Lang Rd & through the City. If this doesn't work I bet people will lobby to have to run parallel along Anzac Parade along the current route into the City.
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Re: Light rail gets the green light: stage 1 UNSW to CBD

Postby Swift » Fri Dec 22, 2017 4:30 pm

The shared zone along George plaza will be the pits. Old ladies with quads will round up the LR trains!
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Re: Light rail gets the green light: stage 1 UNSW to CBD

Postby lunchbox » Mon Jan 15, 2018 9:57 am

Interesting off-centre track drain, Eddy Avenue....
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Re: Light rail gets the green light: stage 1 UNSW to CBD

Postby boronia » Mon Jan 15, 2018 10:17 am

New road deviation from Anzac Pde left into Alison Rd came into use over the weekend.
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