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mandonov wrote:I wonder if it would be worthwhile for Cubic or whomever to develop a portable reader that includes all the gps equipment etc..
This is what they already have in buses.

They would only need to put it in a cabinet with suitable power supply. How did they replace the portable validators at the UNSW stop at Eddy Ave?
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boronia wrote:They would only need to put it in a cabinet with suitable power supply. How did they replace the portable validators at the UNSW stop at Eddy Ave?

Not replaced. People tap on as they board via all doors, using all of the Opal readers if they're functional.

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boronia wrote:
mandonov wrote:I wonder if it would be worthwhile for Cubic or whomever to develop a portable reader that includes all the gps equipment etc..
This is what they already have in buses.

They would only need to put it in a cabinet with suitable power supply. How did they replace the portable validators at the UNSW stop at Eddy Ave?
The Netcom industrial modem, validator and battery would make for a relatively bulky unit, but there is nothing actually in the setup that would prevent such a box of tricks being constructed.
May be better to have an 'app' on a mobile phone that does everything in one tidy little package. They already have an RPO app for phones, they just need to expand it's functionality some more and give it a 'validator' mode :-)

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No real need. The Opal machines are much quicker than the old style machines, and don't really interrupt the flow of boarding as long as people have their cards ready to tap.

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moa999 wrote:No real need. The Opal machines are much quicker than the old style machines, and don't really interrupt the flow of boarding as long as people have their cards ready to tap.
No need for pre-boarding validation - but rail replacement buses get hired in from all sorts of non-route bus charter firms, out of the region, or coaches instead of route buses that do not have their own onboard opal equipment.
If rail replacement buses are supposed to have Opal enabled with a railway fare table loaded, this would restrict the number of firms Transport can hire buses from to do rail replacement work unless some sort of portable/temporary Opal terminal could be placed on the hired buses for the duration of the rail-replacement hire.

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May I ask does tap on reversal applies to Contactless payments?

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Lithgow Buslines advise that the 12 months Gold Opal trial which started 1 July 2017 is after more than 2 years, still ongoing. https://www.buslinesgroup.com.au/lithgow-news.html
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CityRail wrote:May I ask does tap on reversal applies to Contactless payments?
Yes. Though be careful as due to the way contactless works -vit's all processed 'behind the scenes', you won't get any feedback from the readers apart from 'Tap Success', so may not be obvious if you tapped on or are reversing it if you happen to have forgotten!
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This week's contactless
CDC Hunter
Coastal Liner
Newcastle Transport
Red Bus
Port Stephens Coaches.
It looks like all Newcastle and Central Coast except Busways Central Coast and Rover Coaches.
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Fleet Lists wrote:Has not yet been reported by Transport Info in https://transportnsw.info/news/2019/con ... s#homepage but possibly by the time you read this, it may have been done.

It may be one for official starting next Monday.
That has been confirmed on both Transport Info and Hunter Valley Buses website
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And also on the Newcastle Transport website.

And Red Bus website https://www.redbus.com.au/news/61-more- ... -your-trip
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No surprises that there's passengers who are changing between train and bus, who have used their contactless card to pay for the train fare, then suddenly wondering why they can't use it on the STA bus (was at St Leonards, passenger getting on a 143 bus to Manly one morning).

At the same stop, one can however make the transfer to a M20 bus which has been accepting them for what seems like a while now.

Wonder if it'll be STA/Sydney Buses last to accept contactless cards, as was the case with Opal in the first place?
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pgt wrote:
Wonder if it'll be STA/Sydney Buses last to accept contactless cards, as was the case with Opal in the first place?
Care: Sydney Buses is now the generic term for all buses in Sydney and NOT the Sydney part of the STA, so parts of Sydney Buses has already been done..
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Fleet Lists wrote:
pgt wrote:
Wonder if it'll be STA/Sydney Buses last to accept contactless cards, as was the case with Opal in the first place?
Care: Sydney Buses is now the generic term for all buses in Sydney and NOT the Sydney part of the STA, so parts of Sydney Buses has already been done..
OK - State Transit/the STA it is (though they really should remove that phrase/logo from the side of the bus if they're not called that...).

Back on topic, I do wonder why they appear to be "last" again to fully roll out technologies like this (not that it's completely rolled out I am aware so they might not be, but track record isn't looking good so far).
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See the posts towards the end-Jul with this link
https://www.transport.nsw.gov.au/news-a ... s-hit-road
East Suburbs & Inner West is in the last bracket, along with Northshore, Campbeltown and Blue Mountains.

The whole rollout is staggered over July and August which is far quicker than the initial Opal rollout.

Simply put someone has to be last

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That rollout has since been changed to August, September October. And the sequence is not quite as listed there with "Further areas of Wollongong" which was one of the early ones, still not done.
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I noticed that the Transport NSW Info announcement on Monday https://transportnsw.info/news/2019/con ... s-services refers Hunter Valley Buses as CDC Hunter Valley.
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pgt wrote:

Back on topic, I do wonder why they appear to be "last" again to fully roll out technologies like this (not that it's completely rolled out I am aware so they might not be, but track record isn't looking good so far).
I noticed this too, and irritated me back in the day George St STA buses were literally the last to be rolled out with the original Opal system, and now looks set to be that STA altogether will be the last once again to receive contactless.

Are they deliberately trying to just make STA look bad? I get it "someone has to be last", but I don't really think its a coincidence. Look how Transit Systems got contactless so early in the rollout + gets all the fancy stuff eg the electric buses and on-board automatic announcements coming up too.

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marcnut1996 wrote:I noticed that the Transport NSW Info announcement on Monday https://transportnsw.info/news/2019/con ... s-services refers Hunter Valley Buses as CDC Hunter Valley.
But Coastal Liner was still listed separately and not as Hunter Valley Buses.
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Jurassic_Joke wrote:
pgt wrote:
Look how Transit Systems got contactless so early in the rollout + gets all the fancy stuff eg the electric buses and on-board automatic announcements coming up too.
STAs had announcements and PIDs in B-Line for a while.
And Randwick STA is getting 10 electric buses, double what TSA has

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moa999 wrote:
Jurassic_Joke wrote:
Look how Transit Systems got contactless so early in the rollout + gets all the fancy stuff eg the electric buses and on-board automatic announcements coming up too.
STAs had announcements and PIDs in B-Line for a while.
And Randwick STA is getting 10 electric buses, double what TSA has
There's no denying though that TS are getting more than their share of firsts lately. Only firsts give the bragging rights down the track, not amounts.
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mandonov wrote:I wonder if it would be worthwhile for Cubic or whomever to develop a portable reader that includes all the gps equipment etc..
Already exists. Kiama is trailing real time tracking and Opal using a Samsung device in a specialised dock.

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Contactless payment available from today
Busways Blacktown Pty Limited
Transit Systems Pty Ltd
Neville's Bus Service Pty Ltd operating as Busabout
Punchbowl Bus Co Pty Ltd
Ingleburn Bus Services Pty Ltd operating as Interline Bus Service
https://gazette.legislation.nsw.gov.au/ ... 19-102.pdf

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12th August gazette: https://gazette.legislation.nsw.gov.au/ ... 019-89.pdf - Busways
19th August gazette: https://gazette.legislation.nsw.gov.au/ ... 019-92.pdf - Transit Systems Inner West
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In the case of Transit Systems the earlier one related specifically to the region 6 routes while the newer one refers to Transit System in general so I interpret that as also referring to region 3.

In the case of Busways the earlier one referred specifically to region 1 routes but the newer one refers to Busways, Blacktown which still only covers region 1 but it could be interpreted as also referring to Busways Central Coast which was not included when the rest of the Central Coast was done last week.
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