Opal Discussion and Observations
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Re: Introducing OPAL Card
I may have missed something, but this trial on ferries seems to be OK if you only travel on ferries. What happens if you need to use a bus at either or both ends of your ferry trip? Will someone with a my multi type ticket be given a free Opal card to use for the ferry segment?
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Boxythingy, you missed the weather channel logo as well
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Interesting point boronia.
I suspect if you are presently using a MyMulti ticket you are better off continuing to use just it - otherwise you will pay for the MyMulti, and also pay for the Ferry.
MyMulti 1 - $43.00
MyFerry1 10 - $44.80
MyFerry2 10 - $56.00
Opal Ferry1 - $44.80 (cap at 8 trips)
Opal Ferry 2 - $56.00 (cap at 8 trips)
Indeed as shown by the above, all weekday ferry travellers are still better off buying the MyMulti1
I suspect if you are presently using a MyMulti ticket you are better off continuing to use just it - otherwise you will pay for the MyMulti, and also pay for the Ferry.
MyMulti 1 - $43.00
MyFerry1 10 - $44.80
MyFerry2 10 - $56.00
Opal Ferry1 - $44.80 (cap at 8 trips)
Opal Ferry 2 - $56.00 (cap at 8 trips)
Indeed as shown by the above, all weekday ferry travellers are still better off buying the MyMulti1
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Going off the video, there seemed to be an older guy with a card that seemed to have a gold tinge to it - so maybe they'll have their own card?Fleet Lists wrote:Totally irrelevant.
Just because there is a Sunday $2.50 cap does not mean that pensioners will still pay $2.50 on other days.
Under the Opal system they can can come up with all sorts of other combinations some of which we probably have never thought of. We can start all sorts of rumours about these things but only time will tell what will actually happen.
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Video shows Gold for Pensioner/Senior Citizen, and Grey for Student/Concession.
Also mentioned that there will be Blue/Green cards in one of the releases.
boronia makes a good point.
I suspect anyone using multi-modal is still better off buying the MyMulti1 fares, as otherwise they are effectively paying twice for the ferry trip, still having to purchase the MyMulti1
Indeed with the current pricing the 8-fare cap maximum is the same price as the current MyFerry1 and MyFerry2 respectively
The MyMulti1 is still cheaper.
Thus still better off for daily users to buy the MyMulti1 rather than use the Opal Card.
Hence the most frequent users, shouldn't use the Opal card in the initial trial...
Also mentioned that there will be Blue/Green cards in one of the releases.
boronia makes a good point.
I suspect anyone using multi-modal is still better off buying the MyMulti1 fares, as otherwise they are effectively paying twice for the ferry trip, still having to purchase the MyMulti1
Indeed with the current pricing the 8-fare cap maximum is the same price as the current MyFerry1 and MyFerry2 respectively
The MyMulti1 is still cheaper.
Thus still better off for daily users to buy the MyMulti1 rather than use the Opal Card.
Hence the most frequent users, shouldn't use the Opal card in the initial trial...
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From http://www.smh.com.au/it-pro/government ... 2a16k.htmlSimes wrote:Going off the video, there seemed to be an older guy with a card that seemed to have a gold tinge to it - so maybe they'll have their own card?Fleet Lists wrote:Totally irrelevant.
Just because there is a Sunday $2.50 cap does not mean that pensioners will still pay $2.50 on other days.
Under the Opal system they can can come up with all sorts of other combinations some of which we probably have never thought of. We can start all sorts of rumours about these things but only time will tell what will actually happen.
Unfortunately, concession cards – in grey, gold, green and blue – will not be available until some time next year.
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Re: Introducing OPAL Card
Simes wrote:Going off the video, there seemed to be an older guy with a card that seemed to have a gold tinge to it - so maybe they'll have their own card?Fleet Lists wrote:Totally irrelevant.
Just because there is a Sunday $2.50 cap does not mean that pensioners will still pay $2.50 on other days.
Under the Opal system they can can come up with all sorts of other combinations some of which we probably have never thought of. We can start all sorts of rumours about these things but only time will tell what will actually happen.
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$21 - Double that of the $10.50 Student variant.boxythingy wrote:Remember, $20.50 for an Adult MyMulti Daypass.CityRail wrote:$15.00 Cap on Mondays - Saturdays is way too expensive, but it is still a $6.00 discount from MyMulti Daily.
It will still being quite expensive for those who will have an extra trip to somewhere else.
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What is more interesting is what happens if the service has to be replaced by a bus! Can't use opal on a bus yetmoa999 wrote:Interesting point boronia.
I suspect if you are presently using a MyMulti ticket you are better off continuing to use just it - otherwise you will pay for the MyMulti, and also pay for the Ferry.
MyMulti 1 - $43.00
MyFerry1 10 - $44.80
MyFerry2 10 - $56.00
Opal Ferry1 - $44.80 (cap at 8 trips)
Opal Ferry 2 - $56.00 (cap at 8 trips)
Indeed as shown by the above, all weekday ferry travellers are still better off buying the MyMulti1
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Yes, track work will be interesting on trains when you don't have opal for the bus yet in 2013/4
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Agreed.Fleet Lists wrote:Just because there is a Sunday $2.50 cap does not mean that pensioners will still pay $2.50 on other days.
However, I find it very unlikely that the Pensioner ET will be removed. That would be so politically dangerous I can't imagine any government trying it.
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Some releases today:
http://www.transport.nsw.gov.au/sites/d ... 0trial.pdf - Media Release
http://www.transport.nsw.gov.au/sites/d ... eet%20.pdf - Fact Sheet
http://www.transport.nsw.gov.au/sites/d ... images.pdf - Opal Card images
http://www.transport.nsw.gov.au/sites/d ... 0trial.pdf - Media Release
http://www.transport.nsw.gov.au/sites/d ... eet%20.pdf - Fact Sheet
http://www.transport.nsw.gov.au/sites/d ... images.pdf - Opal Card images
ಠ_ಠFor the Neutral Bay ferry trial, Opal’s adult fares are set at the equivalent MyZone single fare.
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iDionz wrote:What is more interesting is what happens if the service has to be replaced by a bus! Can't use opal on a bus yetmoa999 wrote:Interesting point boronia.
I suspect if you are presently using a MyMulti ticket you are better off continuing to use just it - otherwise you will pay for the MyMulti, and also pay for the Ferry.
MyMulti 1 - $43.00
MyFerry1 10 - $44.80
MyFerry2 10 - $56.00
Opal Ferry1 - $44.80 (cap at 8 trips)
Opal Ferry 2 - $56.00 (cap at 8 trips)
Indeed as shown by the above, all weekday ferry travellers are still better off buying the MyMulti1
Ummmm I think it will be more comical when you can745-Castle Hill wrote:Yes, track work will be interesting on trains when you don't have opal for the bus yet in 2013/4
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Trackwork will probably be just the same as before
- the ticket doesn't get scanned
ie. On Opal you wont get charged...
Very interested that all of ferries won't be done until end of next year (ie end 2013),
whereas some of Cityrail cuts in mid-2013.
- the ticket doesn't get scanned
ie. On Opal you wont get charged...
Very interested that all of ferries won't be done until end of next year (ie end 2013),
whereas some of Cityrail cuts in mid-2013.
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That's not how it works in Melbourne - since the metcard days, tram or train replaced, you buy your ticket off the driver
I'd imagine they would use opal to firstly catch out the people missed (despite all the signs about traveling with a ticket, I bet not many do, I'll admit I haven't in the past - just waited til I got to where the trains were running)
Also it would no doubt be used for stats on numbers using the buses
I'd imagine they would use opal to firstly catch out the people missed (despite all the signs about traveling with a ticket, I bet not many do, I'll admit I haven't in the past - just waited til I got to where the trains were running)
Also it would no doubt be used for stats on numbers using the buses
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Do you have a source for these fares, or are you assuming them?moa999 wrote:Opal Ferry1 - $44.80 (cap at 8 trips)
Opal Ferry 2 - $56.00 (cap at 8 trips)
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Isn't it just 80% of the MyFerry1 TravelTen?
Why would the Opal fare be more??
Why would the Opal fare be more??
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The TfNSW Opal site says that CityRail will start with city circle so I suspect that trial will be designed for ferry customers that transfer to trains since not that many people only use the city circle. But I assume that they're saying "trains" rather than CityRail because it will be changed to Sydney Trains/ NSW Trains by then.... I wonder if they'll eventually extend opal to the manly fast ferry company seeing as they are government contracted and sydney ferries (or harbour city ferries) is franchised now anyway. It would mean some sort of infrastructure allowances to tell the difference but I'm sure they could something out.
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Releases say Opal fares are unchanged from current.simonl wrote:Do you have a source for these fares, or are you assuming them?moa999 wrote:Opal Ferry1 - $44.80 (cap at 8 trips)
Opal Ferry 2 - $56.00 (cap at 8 trips)
So have just taken the prices for MyFerry1 single Adult - $5.60, and MyFerry 2 single Adult - $7.00.
Interestingly the 8-cap ends up being the same as the TravelTen
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That's why when MyZone came in, the T10 discounts went from 25% to 20%moa999 wrote: Interestingly the 8-cap ends up being the same as the TravelTen
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Maybe because there are no stops where you may disembark mid trip.abesty wrote:Interesting:Wonder why.Opal Terms of Use wrote: 28. For ferry services to and from Manly only, you must tap on at the beginning of your trip but you do not have to tap off at the end of your trip and you may exit without doing so
http://www.transport.nsw.gov.au/opal/terms-of-use
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Same was stated on RP. It's a single fare line, So it makes sense.OKO wrote: Maybe because there are no stops where you may disembark mid trip.
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While I understand Manly being a direct service, I still hope the "Tag On, Tag Off" message is rammed home, otherwise there will be mass confusion.
Also be somewhat weird for the system to work out people transferring ferry-train (when train is activated)
TagOn Manly Wharf
TagOn Circ Quay Stn
TagOff Town Hall stn
Also be somewhat weird for the system to work out people transferring ferry-train (when train is activated)
TagOn Manly Wharf
TagOn Circ Quay Stn
TagOff Town Hall stn
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With Myki in melbourne, you only need to tag on on a tram, although you can tag off. The system can detect if the next tag is on the same vehicle (a tag off) or another vehicle (a new tag on).
It is better not to have exceptions to avoid confusion, but with the sheer numbers on a Manly Ferry, delays if eveyone had to tag off would be enormous.
It is better not to have exceptions to avoid confusion, but with the sheer numbers on a Manly Ferry, delays if eveyone had to tag off would be enormous.
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The Government of New South Wales perhaps still cannot get out from their wrong think path where passengers will only use public transport to/from work and they will use their own car on the weekends so their trips will be regular etc. Note once the trial has started on trains (on the City Circle) the ferry trial will be finished and Opal will be available on Ferries.Kliamet wrote:The TfNSW Opal site says that CityRail will start with city circle so I suspect that trial will be designed for ferry customers that transfer to trains since not that many people only use the city circle. But I assume that they're saying "trains" rather than CityRail because it will be changed to Sydney Trains/ NSW Trains by then.... I wonder if they'll eventually extend opal to the manly fast ferry company seeing as they are government contracted and sydney ferries (or harbour city ferries) is franchised now anyway. It would mean some sort of infrastructure allowances to tell the difference but I'm sure they could something out.
If they are just trial on the City Circle, I think a lot of passengers will start buying Opals and travel on the rail network for free since you cannot identify whether the passenger is on a possession of a valid ticket or not outside the City. Or how about a passenger need to travel by Ferry and to work at Kings Cross or go to Uni at Redfern?