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Re: NSW Future Rail Plan - NWRL/Metro/Harbour Crossing

Postby rogf24 » Sun Sep 30, 2018 4:32 pm

Another Brit, no wonder TfNSW and subsidiaries are bereft of ideas.
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Re: NSW Future Rail Plan - NWRL/Metro/Harbour Crossing

Postby neilrex » Sun Sep 30, 2018 6:06 pm

Yet from what I read in "The Guardian" online, public transport in Manchester, and the north of England generally, has become a complete shambles, it's getting worse and no improvement in sight.
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Re: NSW Future Rail Plan - NWRL/Metro/Harbour Crossing

Postby rogf24 » Sun Sep 30, 2018 6:49 pm

That might have to do with the new train timetable introduced earlier this year? Thousands of new services each week but it all came tumbling down, from the looks of it much, much worse than Sydney experienced in January.
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Re: NSW Future Rail Plan - NWRL/Metro/Harbour Crossing

Postby Transtopic » Sun Sep 30, 2018 9:10 pm

rogf24 wrote:Another Brit, no wonder TfNSW and subsidiaries are bereft of ideas.
Obviously attempting to expunge any last vestiges of management of the legacy rail network from the transport bureaucracy. Local knowledge seems to be a low priority nowadays. I'd be happier if it was someone with European experience, rather than just another pom. There are too many already.
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Re: NSW Future Rail Plan - NWRL/Metro/Harbour Crossing

Postby lunchbox » Sun Sep 30, 2018 9:49 pm

This new appointment seems to have overshadowed the departure of Tony Braxton-Smith, director of whatever at TfNSW, to South Australia. He came and went with an impressive CV, but I'm personally very disattisfied with his record at TfNSW.
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Re: NSW Future Rail Plan - NWRL/Metro/Harbour Crossing

Postby Transtopic » Mon Oct 01, 2018 9:49 pm

lunchbox wrote:This new appointment seems to have overshadowed the departure of Tony Braxton-Smith, director of whatever at TfNSW, to South Australia. He came and went with an impressive CV, but I'm personally very disattisfied with his record at TfNSW.
Care to elaborate?
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Re: NSW Future Rail Plan - NWRL/Metro/Harbour Crossing

Postby lunchbox » Tue Oct 02, 2018 9:47 am

I won't elaborate because I am not privy to the internal workings of Transport for NSW. I remain convinced that many of the policies and decisions out of TfNSW have not been in the interests of the travelling public. I CAN confirm that each of them which has concerned me has been discussed in this forum.
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Re: NSW Future Rail Plan - NWRL/Metro/Harbour Crossing

Postby rogf24 » Tue Oct 02, 2018 7:18 pm

The thing is, not everything you complain about concerns everyone, not even the majority of the travelling public or the majority along the road/route. I'm sure there are many things he could have done better but your complaints ≠ travelling public.
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Re: NSW Future Rail Plan - NWRL/Metro/Harbour Crossing

Postby Engineering » Thu Oct 04, 2018 6:46 am

Work commenced at Chatswood station for conversion to metro

Platform 3 already boarded off (approx 2/3 of platform width remaining for platform 4 passengers) on the western island.

Platform 2 signs and electronic destination screens removed on platform 2 on the esastern island.
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Re: NSW Future Rail Plan - NWRL/Metro/Harbour Crossing

Postby moa999 » Thu Oct 04, 2018 12:52 pm

Wouldve thought you'd use the same screens, just connected to a new system.

Assume they'll get the Chatswood PSDs up quickly - give back the platform space.. and show progress.

Be more interested to see how much work needs to go into track height adjustment.
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Re: NSW Future Rail Plan - NWRL/Metro/Harbour Crossing

Postby gld59 » Thu Oct 04, 2018 2:34 pm

Is that the sort of thing where they need a mass concrete trackbed, or would they stay with stone ballast?
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Re: NSW Future Rail Plan - NWRL/Metro/Harbour Crossing

Postby boronia » Thu Oct 04, 2018 7:18 pm

Some preliminary work for the PSDs has been visible on Chatswood 2 and 3 for a while.

The platform tracks are on mass concrete bases.
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Re: NSW Future Rail Plan - NWRL/Metro/Harbour Crossing

Postby grog » Thu Oct 04, 2018 8:26 pm

moa999 wrote:Wouldve thought you'd use the same screens, just connected to a new system.

Assume they'll get the Chatswood PSDs up quickly - give back the platform space.. and show progress.

Be more interested to see how much work needs to go into track height adjustment.


My understanding is that none should be needed.
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Re: NSW Future Rail Plan - NWRL/Metro/Harbour Crossing

Postby GazzaOak » Thu Oct 04, 2018 8:51 pm

I wonder how frequent weekend trackwork will be on the north shore line because of the metro construction
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Re: NSW Future Rail Plan - NWRL/Metro/Harbour Crossing

Postby Frosty » Thu Oct 04, 2018 9:07 pm

GazzaOak wrote:I wonder how frequent weekend trackwork will be on the north shore line because of the metro construction

I'm pretty sure there is page somewhere on transportnsw.info or TfNSW website showing scope of trackwork in the next 6 months in there will be your answer.
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Re: NSW Future Rail Plan - NWRL/Metro/Harbour Crossing

Postby Transtopic » Thu Oct 04, 2018 9:36 pm

grog wrote:
moa999 wrote:Wouldve thought you'd use the same screens, just connected to a new system.

Assume they'll get the Chatswood PSDs up quickly - give back the platform space.. and show progress.

Be more interested to see how much work needs to go into track height adjustment.


My understanding is that none should be needed.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I understand the major alterations to the existing platforms on the ECRL stations will be widening to reduce the gap with the narrower profile metro trains and installation of PSDs.
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Re: NSW Future Rail Plan - NWRL/Metro/Harbour Crossing

Postby swtt » Fri Oct 05, 2018 12:20 am

Transtopic wrote:Correct me if I'm wrong, but I understand the major alterations to the existing platforms on the ECRL stations will be widening to reduce the gap with the narrower profile metro trains and installation of PSDs.


Reducing that gap can be done easily with platform gap fillers.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Platform_gap_filler
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Re: NSW Future Rail Plan - NWRL/Metro/Harbour Crossing

Postby grog » Fri Oct 05, 2018 12:30 am

The trains aren’t actually much narrower, about 10cm total and 5cm per side, and that will be easily taken care of with PSD installation. My understanding is they run on the same guage at the same platform height and same overhead voltage - upgrades for ECRL is primarily PSDs, ripping out the old signals and testing the new signal system, as well as separating the track and power supply at the interfaces.
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Re: NSW Future Rail Plan - NWRL/Metro/Harbour Crossing

Postby stupid_girl » Fri Oct 05, 2018 12:30 am

Frosty wrote:
GazzaOak wrote:I wonder how frequent weekend trackwork will be on the north shore line because of the metro construction

I'm pretty sure there is page somewhere on transportnsw.info or TfNSW website showing scope of trackwork in the next 6 months in there will be your answer.

https://transportnsw.info/future-trackwork-calendar
I can only see the trackwork schedule up to early Dec.
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Re: NSW Future Rail Plan - NWRL/Metro/Harbour Crossing

Postby mandonov » Fri Oct 05, 2018 12:55 am

grog wrote:The trains aren’t actually much narrower, about 10cm total and 5cm per side, and that will be easily taken care of with PSD installation. My understanding is they run on the same guage at the same platform height and same overhead voltage - upgrades for ECRL is primarily PSDs, ripping out the old signals and testing the new signal system, as well as separating the track and power supply at the interfaces.

It's a shame they didn't bother with making the line 25 kV AC.
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Re: NSW Future Rail Plan - NWRL/Metro/Harbour Crossing

Postby Daniel » Fri Oct 05, 2018 5:55 am

There is also adjustments to the track height to ensure level boarding at stations, modification to emergency walkways and the like.
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Re: NSW Future Rail Plan - NWRL/Metro/Harbour Crossing

Postby andy_centralcoast » Fri Oct 05, 2018 6:22 am

stupid_girl wrote:
Frosty wrote:I'm pretty sure there is page somewhere on transportnsw.info or TfNSW website showing scope of trackwork in the next 6 months in there will be your answer.

https://transportnsw.info/future-trackwork-calendar
I can only see the trackwork schedule up to early Dec.

That document used to show 6 months in advance, now it's only the next 2 months!

TfNSW continue their assault on customers information.
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Re: NSW Future Rail Plan - NWRL/Metro/Harbour Crossing

Postby grog » Fri Oct 05, 2018 7:44 am

Daniel wrote:There is also adjustments to the track height to ensure level boarding at stations, modification to emergency walkways and the like.


Do you have a source for this? My understanding is that this is not correct. There is no major civil work required such as changing track height. The platforms of the ECRL and Chatswood are 9 years old and should all be at an appropriate height for level boarding.

When they move on to the Bankstown line conversion, they are going to re-level the *platforms*, not the track, to allow level boarding, but this shouldn’t be required for the ECRL/Chatswood.
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Re: NSW Future Rail Plan - NWRL/Metro/Harbour Crossing

Postby GazzaOak » Fri Oct 05, 2018 7:55 am

Another thing as well, the government said its should take 7 months to convert the ECRL, but however the government also said to us that the bankstown line will take the same amount of the time to convert....

But since the ECRL is only fairly new and have 3 stations, shouldn't its take less time to convert than the bankstown line (since bankstown line is bloody complex with platform straitening, upgrading all station to have lifts/ticket barriers and whatever)
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Re: NSW Future Rail Plan - NWRL/Metro/Harbour Crossing

Postby grog » Fri Oct 05, 2018 8:04 am

There is no longer any platform straightening for the Bankstown line, it was removed from the scope to simplify the project and reduce the shutdown required. Instead there will be platform height adjustments during targeted station shutdowns (one at a time with the line remaining open) and mechanical gap fillers where required.
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