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Re: NSW Future Rail Plan - NWRL/Metro/Harbour Crossing

Postby Fleet Lists » Thu Aug 23, 2018 2:05 pm

I think he meant no news item advising of the launch.
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Re: NSW Future Rail Plan - NWRL/Metro/Harbour Crossing

Postby rogf24 » Sun Aug 26, 2018 2:58 pm

This is quite old now but I just stumbled across this. Quite interesting. Most interesting is that existing Sydney Trains users are generally more open to driverless trains than non-train users. From all the media reports and commenters underneath articles, you'll think that existing Sydney Trains users are the ones demanding drivers on trains, not the case apparently.
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Re: NSW Future Rail Plan - NWRL/Metro/Harbour Crossing

Postby hornetfig » Sun Aug 26, 2018 4:47 pm

That's kind of useless because it relies on people's perceptions of what drivers (vs guards vs other railway personnel) actually do.
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Re: NSW Future Rail Plan - NWRL/Metro/Harbour Crossing

Postby tonyp » Mon Aug 27, 2018 2:29 pm

First run inside the tunnel for the metro:

https://www.facebook.com/gladysnsw/vide ... 841636557/
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Re: NSW Future Rail Plan - NWRL/Metro/Harbour Crossing

Postby Fleet Lists » Mon Aug 27, 2018 5:02 pm

And more on that https://www.transport.nsw.gov.au/news-a ... ns-surface

Historic moments as metro train heads underground, stations surface above ground
Published27 Aug 2018

Sydney’s new metro railway is a step closer after meeting two major milestones deep underground.

The first metro train has entered the new Sydney Metro tunnels in the city’s north west, and three new underground metro railway stations have been “topped off” with work rising to ground level from 25 metres deep underground.

Premier Gladys Berejiklian welcomed the major metro milestones.

“I’m very excited to see this progress which shows we’re well on our way to opening Sydney’s fast, easy and reliable metro railway next year,” Ms Berejiklian said.

“As part of our plan to improve transport, metro rail will give people more choice on how they get around Sydney.”

The train testing took place in the first two kilometres of tunnels between the new Bella Vista and Norwest stations. Onboard systems were tested as well as signalling, braking and acceleration at different speeds in the tunnel. Testing will progressively increase up to 100km/h.

Minister for Transport and Infrastructure Andrew Constance said the much anticipated tunnel test was a resounding success.

“Sydney’s new metro train passed this crucial milestone with flying colours,” Mr Constance said.

“Over the coming months it will be tested beyond Norwest through the full length of the new tunnels.”

More than 10,000km of train testing has taken place so far on the Sydney Metro system, with 12 of the fleet of 22 trains delivered.

In further project milestones on Sydney Metro Northwest, major construction work at the new Hills Showground, Norwest and Castle Hill stations has reached ground level – having started from 25 metres below the surface. This is the equivalent of an eight-storey building underground.

Nearly 25,000 tonnes of concrete and 1200 tonnes of reinforced steel was used to deliver the new metro platforms and station concourse area at Hills Showground.

Work is also continuing on the new commuter car park, which will have 600 spaces. The next step is the installation of the iconic station canopy, its design inspired by the local blue gum leaf.

Sydney Metro opens in the city’s north west in the second quarter of next year – 13 metro stations, 4000 commuter car parking spaces and 36km of new metro rail.

When metro rail is extended into the Sydney CBD and beyond to Bankstown in 2024, Sydney will have 31 metro stations and a 66km metro railway.

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Construction topping off vision: https://app.frame.io/presentations/87c8 ... 84148d21cc
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Re: NSW Future Rail Plan - NWRL/Metro/Harbour Crossing

Postby Engineering » Tue Aug 28, 2018 1:24 pm

Keeping trains and passengers moving during the Epping to Chatswood upgrade

https://www.transport.nsw.gov.au/news-a ... -chatswood

The NSW Government today announced train services changes and improvements from 30 September to help support customers while the railway between Epping and Chatswood is upgraded to for the Sydney Metro.

Improvements include more services for stations north of Chatswood on the T1 North Shore Line and double the number of express trains running to and from the Sydney CBD via Strathfield during the peak for Central Coast customers.

Customers from Normanhurst to Cheltenham travelling to and from Central at peak times will save 20 minutes each day by catching limited stop T1 Northern Line services via Strathfield.

Meadowbank, West Ryde and Rhodes stations will receive additional morning and afternoon peak hour trains. This will also free up space on adjacent services, which will benefit other customers on the T1 Northern Line.

Minister for Transport and Infrastructure Andrew Constance said the adjustments will allow the T1 North Shore and T1 Northern Lines to operate separately.

“Our focus has been to ensure services continue to meet demand and complement Station Link and other regular buses,” Mr Constance said.

“We know there will be disruption but once Sydney Metro opens in the second quarter of next year, there will be a new world class metro service between Sydney’s fast growing north west and Chatswood.”

Member for Ryde Victor Dominello said the changes are the next important step towards preparing for the arrival of Sydney Metro Northwest.

“This world class service will see customers between Epping and Chatswood get almost four times as many trains an hour as they do now in the peak direction, that’s 15 trains an hour, or one every four minutes,” Mr Dominello said.

Key adjustments on the rail system from 30 September include:

T1 North Shore Line

Services which currently operate via the Epping to Chatswood rail line will be replaced with trains starting or ending at Gordon, Hornsby or Berowra.
More AM peak hour services to the City for customers at Mount Kuring-gai, Mount Colah, Hornsby and all stations from Wahroonga to Roseville.
Customers who catch trains from Gordon to Roseville will also benefit from more services across most of the day.
T1 Northern Line

Current services between Hornsby and the City via Chatswood will be replaced by limited stop services via Strathfield. These services will start or terminate at Central during peak times. At all other times, trains will directly connect to Wynyard, Town Hall and North Shore stations via Strathfield and Central.
Most Normanhurst to Cheltenham customers travelling to the CBD in the morning peak will have faster or similar journey times compared with today.
Two extra services per hour in the morning peak and a doubling of trains in the evening peak for Rhodes, Meadowbank and West Ryde.
All peak hour services to operate as eight car trains to improve capacity and comfort for all T1 Northern Line customers
Central Coast and Newcastle Line

Double the number of express services operating to and from the Sydney CBD via Strathfield during peak times, with an express train every 15 minutes instead of every 30 minutes.
Customers will still have the option to catch direct trains to and from Sydney CBD via the North Shore, with no change to the current number of peak services.
The current trial of a fast train service operating between Newcastle and Sydney will continue.
T8 Airport & South Line

Revesby will receive two more Sydney CBD bound express services running via Airport Stations in the morning peak. By catching these services Revesby customers could save about nine minutes per trip or up to 45 minutes a week, travelling to the Airport or other popular stations, like Mascot and Green Square.
There will also be minor adjustments to some services on other lines.

Customers will be able to plan their trips from early September by visiting transportnsw.info

During the upgrade of the Epping to Chatswood rail line, high-frequency Station Link buses will keep the Macquarie Park precinct moving. Services will operate from station to station at least every 6 minutes during the peak periods.

The Station Link fleet is made up of than 120 new fully-accessible and air-conditioned buses, with distinctive pink decals.

For the latest information on Station Link, visit mysydney.nsw.gov.au/stationlink http://www.mysydney.nsw.gov.au/stationlink
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Re: NSW Future Rail Plan - NWRL/Metro/Harbour Crossing

Postby andy_centralcoast » Tue Aug 28, 2018 1:33 pm

Engineering wrote:T1 North Shore Line

More AM peak hour services to the City for customers at Mount Kuring-gai, Mount Colah, Hornsby and all stations from Wahroonga to Roseville.

Interesting omission of Berowra, Asquith and Waitara from that list. Current express services changed to all stops?

Could potentially mean that CCN via North Shore will stop at even more stations now as that's the only way Mt Colah & Mt K could get extra services but not Berowra and Asquith where the CCN trains currently stop.
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Re: NSW Future Rail Plan - NWRL/Metro/Harbour Crossing

Postby Fleet Lists » Tue Aug 28, 2018 1:36 pm

"No mention" normally means "no change".
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Re: NSW Future Rail Plan - NWRL/Metro/Harbour Crossing

Postby stupid_girl » Tue Aug 28, 2018 2:58 pm

Aren't CCN trains already running at 15 minute interval in peak hours?
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Re: NSW Future Rail Plan - NWRL/Metro/Harbour Crossing

Postby swtt » Tue Aug 28, 2018 3:40 pm

A non announcement. Things we already know here.

Plus so tucked away on the Transport site, nothing for the regular commuter who would be checking transportnsw.info.

Would've thought the actual marketing campaign starts. More like a fizz out.

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Re: NSW Future Rail Plan - NWRL/Metro/Harbour Crossing

Postby andy_centralcoast » Tue Aug 28, 2018 4:03 pm

stupid_girl wrote:Aren't CCN trains already running at 15 minute interval in peak hours?

Yep. Press release appears to be blatantly lying about doubling CCN via Strathfield from 30 min to 15 min interval during the peak because it’s alredy every 15 during the peak.
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Re: NSW Future Rail Plan - NWRL/Metro/Harbour Crossing

Postby Frosty » Tue Aug 28, 2018 4:50 pm

Wasn’t expecting additional Revesby express services though 2 extra trains starting at Revesby then probably stopping only at Padstow & Riverwood express to Wolli Creek then all stops. I could see removal of 2 Campbelltown/MacArthur trains that stop at Padstow & Riverwood to then run express between Holsworthy & Wolli Creek.
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Re: NSW Future Rail Plan - NWRL/Metro/Harbour Crossing

Postby Engineering » Tue Aug 28, 2018 4:59 pm

swtt wrote:Plus so tucked away on the Transport site, nothing for the regular commuter who would be checking transportnsw.info.

Would've thought the actual marketing campaign starts. More like a fizz out.


Any media blitz will (should?) probably be focussed on stationlink bus replacement service where real behavioural change and planning is required from the passengers.

Relatively minor timing changes for passengers on North Shore or Gosford/Newcastle probably won’t get much attention, particularly if there is a (perceived?) disadvantage. The current press release clearly is aimed at promoting the stations that will get increased service, and is deadly silent on the rest.
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Re: NSW Future Rail Plan - NWRL/Metro/Harbour Crossing

Postby swtt » Tue Aug 28, 2018 5:06 pm

Engineering wrote:
swtt wrote:Plus so tucked away on the Transport site, nothing for the regular commuter who would be checking transportnsw.info.

Would've thought the actual marketing campaign starts. More like a fizz out.


Any media blitz will (should?) probably be focussed on stationlink bus replacement service where real behavioural change and planning is required from the passengers.

Relatively minor timing changes for passengers on North Shore or Gosford/Newcastle probably won’t get much attention, particularly if there is a (perceived?) disadvantage. The current press release clearly is aimed at promoting the stations that will get increased service, and is deadly silent on the rest.


The media blitz should also focus on how Northern Line passengers will save time when travelling from Normanhurst<->Cheltenham to stations such as Eastwood, West Ryde, Rhodes etc.

Notwithstanding the fact that they announced the 333 changes almost 6 weeks prior, and changes as big as this only get a little mention, with 4 weeks to go.
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Re: NSW Future Rail Plan - NWRL/Metro/Harbour Crossing

Postby Transtopic » Tue Aug 28, 2018 7:25 pm

swtt wrote:The media blitz should also focus on how Northern Line passengers will save time when travelling from Normanhurst<->Cheltenham to stations such as Eastwood, West Ryde, Rhodes etc.

Strangely, while the press release mentions additional peak hour services for West Ryde, Meadowbank and Rhodes, which will obviously be the diverted limited stop trains from Hornsby to the CBD via Strathfield, it doesn't mention Eastwood, which is one of the busiest stations. Does this mean it will be skipped or rely on the CCN Intercity trains for its extra services, which start and terminate at Central anyway along with the extra services aforementioned?
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Re: NSW Future Rail Plan - NWRL/Metro/Harbour Crossing

Postby mandonov » Tue Aug 28, 2018 7:40 pm

Well the wording in regards to CCN services specifically mentions express services which is an odd distinction to make. It may actually mean two extra express trains to Newcastle as opposed to the current 2 express and 2 most stops.
Perhaps CCN will cease stopping at Eastwood with upper Northern stopping there instead.
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Re: NSW Future Rail Plan - NWRL/Metro/Harbour Crossing

Postby Transtopic » Tue Aug 28, 2018 7:50 pm

mandonov wrote:Well the wording in regards to CCN services specifically mentions express services which is an odd distinction to make.
Perhaps CCN will cease stopping at Eastwood with upper Northern stopping there instead.

Yes, that's a possibility in line with the weekend timetable where CCN services now skip Eastwood. I would imagine that they will continue to stop at Epping. It's a bit of a stretch to suggest it's now an "express" service when they skip one station. If they skipped both Eastwood and Epping, then it could legitimately be called a new express service. Perhaps that may be the long term goal for a faster Newcastle service.
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Re: NSW Future Rail Plan - NWRL/Metro/Harbour Crossing

Postby mandonov » Tue Aug 28, 2018 7:56 pm

Transtopic wrote:Yes, that's a possibility in line with the weekend timetable where CCN services now skip Eastwood. I would imagine that they will continue to stop at Epping. It's a bit of a stretch to suggest it's now an "express" service when they skip one station. If they skipped both Eastwood and Epping, then it could legitimately be called a new express service. Perhaps that may be the long term goal for a faster Newcastle service.

I doubt it will ever skip Epping, especially with the Metro adding even more rail connections.
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Re: NSW Future Rail Plan - NWRL/Metro/Harbour Crossing

Postby andy_centralcoast » Tue Aug 28, 2018 7:58 pm

That still doesn’t make sense as it says express Central Coast via Strathfield will double from every 30 minutes to every 15 minutes. There’s currently a 15 minute express frequency south of Hornsby for CCN trains but it alternates with limited stops and all stops north of Hornsby.

The press release suggests a huge shake up in stopping patterns for CCN trains, because the “doubling expresses” just doesn’t make sense otherwise.

So does increasing the express frequency mean the all stops Gosford to Berowra will instead be an express in the new timetable? If so, that would be a huge reduction in service for smaller CCN line stations in the peak.
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Re: NSW Future Rail Plan - NWRL/Metro/Harbour Crossing

Postby Transtopic » Tue Aug 28, 2018 8:07 pm

andy_centralcoast wrote:That still doesn’t make sense as it says express Central Coast via Strathfield will double from every 30 minutes to every 15 minutes. There’s currently a 15 minute express frequency south of Hornsby for CCN trains but it alternates with limited stops and all stops north of Hornsby.

The press release suggests a huge shake up in stopping patterns for CCN trains, because the “doubling expresses” just doesn’t make sense otherwise.

So does increasing the express frequency mean the all stops Gosford to Berowra will instead be an express in the new timetable? If so, that would be a huge reduction in service for smaller CCN line stations in the peak.

Perhaps the all stops Gosford to Berowra will run via the North Shore Line and "express" services all run via Strathfield. No doubt all will be revealed in the next few days when the timetable is made public.
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Re: NSW Future Rail Plan - NWRL/Metro/Harbour Crossing

Postby Mr Twig » Wed Aug 29, 2018 3:09 pm

Transtopic wrote:
andy_centralcoast wrote:That still doesn’t make sense as it says express Central Coast via Strathfield will double from every 30 minutes to every 15 minutes. There’s currently a 15 minute express frequency south of Hornsby for CCN trains but it alternates with limited stops and all stops north of Hornsby.

The press release suggests a huge shake up in stopping patterns for CCN trains, because the “doubling expresses” just doesn’t make sense otherwise.

So does increasing the express frequency mean the all stops Gosford to Berowra will instead be an express in the new timetable? If so, that would be a huge reduction in service for smaller CCN line stations in the peak.

Perhaps the all stops Gosford to Berowra will run via the North Shore Line and "express" services all run via Strathfield. No doubt all will be revealed in the next few days when the timetable is made public.


That would make sense. It would also discourage people from using the direct Nth Shore trains ahead of their probable demise next year.
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Re: NSW Future Rail Plan - NWRL/Metro/Harbour Crossing

Postby grog » Wed Aug 29, 2018 3:24 pm

I guess it depends what this means:

Double the number of express services operating to and from the Sydney CBD via Strathfield during peak times, with an express train every 15 minutes instead of every 30 minutes.
Customers will still have the option to catch direct trains to and from Sydney CBD via the North Shore, with no change to the current number of peak services.


Is it saying no change in number of coast services via shore? Or no change overall?
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Re: NSW Future Rail Plan - NWRL/Metro/Harbour Crossing

Postby Frodo » Wed Aug 29, 2018 7:54 pm

The logical conclusion given the carefully worded announcement is that all CCN via Strathfield during peak will become express services - whether some/any will still stop at Eastwood/Redfern remains to be seen.
For CCN via Shore services, the announcement states that there is "no change to the current number of peak services" - makes no mention of stopping patterns which I assume will be changed to service the smaller CCN stations plus Mt Colah and Mt Kuringgai, although given that there are 6 AM peak services, maybe only a couple of them will be timetabled to stop at the smaller stations.

The announcement also makes no mention of extra PM peak services for any T1 North shore stations, so the stopping patterns for the PM peak CCN via Shore services is anyone's guess.
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Re: NSW Future Rail Plan - NWRL/Metro/Harbour Crossing

Postby boronia » Wed Aug 29, 2018 9:35 pm

Any announcement from TfNSW that includes numbers should be treated with suspicion.

While they delight in telling us how many "new" services are coming, they often conveniently forget to mention how many "old" services will be displaced.
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Re: NSW Future Rail Plan - NWRL/Metro/Harbour Crossing

Postby kypros1992 » Thu Aug 30, 2018 10:04 am

Probably a good time to bring up some past limited stop services pre-ECRL

http://www.homer.com.au/webdoc/sra/City ... /index.htm

Some unique stopping patterns such as Epping then Meadowbank then direct to Strathfield etc.
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