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Re: NSW Future Rail Plan - NWRL/Metro/Harbour Crossing

Postby moa999 » Tue Mar 28, 2017 11:09 pm

lunchbox wrote:PITT STREET METRO STATION - PEDESTRIAN ACCESS
A Development Application has been lodged )

Flag shows in CoS DA map with this link
https://online.cityofsydney.nsw.gov.au/ ... pl=1295951

Biggest issue with those Museum tunnels is the complete lack of signage for those unfamiliar with the exits, particularly under the Telstra building.

Looks like this proposal fixes the weird passage between the food court and outdoor area with childcare centre.

The connection to Pitt St Metro is interesting - will need a diagonal tunnel under Castlereagh and Park. (Edited - see below)
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Re: NSW Future Rail Plan - NWRL/Metro/Harbour Crossing

Postby moa999 » Tue Mar 28, 2017 11:52 pm

Ok. Well having skimmed the DA not what I thought.
The EIS is the most useful doc (about halfway down the list) and connections are shown on pg.64.

The proposal blocks the existing connection to 219-227 Elizabeth (which i suspect will also need redevelopment given the lower floors will have views removed by the new podium)

Instead a new tunnel under Elizabeth is shown (roughly where the childcare centre is at present) but no further detail provided on how it connects to Museum Station (which is still some distance away).

On the other side a tunnel to 199 (Church of Scientology)/201 Castlereagh is shown as a future Metro Pitt connection. This again is well South of the main northern entrance to the station which is North of Pitt - unless so Macquarie Martin Place style sub floor is also proposed, or you can have an escalator that clears the track but reaches that station cavern in the middle.
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Re: NSW Future Rail Plan - NWRL/Metro/Harbour Crossing

Postby neilrex » Wed Mar 29, 2017 12:24 am

Transtopic wrote:Just as a matter of interest, I'd like to know what the potential journey times could be for Sydney Trains if the timetable was speeded up, including for express services. As we all know, there's a lot of slack in the system at present.


Well, the morning limited stops trains from Bankstown, which skip 5 stations, take 31 minutes instead of 36. That should give you some idea.

Also, the timetabled 36 minutes from Bankstown to Central is the time from leaving Bankstown, to leaving Central. The trains often arrive at Central two minutes before they leave it.
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Re: NSW Future Rail Plan - NWRL/Metro/Harbour Crossing

Postby mandonov » Mon Apr 10, 2017 10:10 pm

The Temporary Transport Plan for the ECRL shutdown; from the Macquarie Park Bus Capacity Project:

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Re: NSW Future Rail Plan - NWRL/Metro/Harbour Crossing

Postby grog » Tue Apr 11, 2017 7:24 am

Looks like they have ditched the route from Gordon along Ryde Rd (when compared to the original document from 2014 https://www.sydneymetro.info/sites/defa ... ext%3D.pdf)
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Re: NSW Future Rail Plan - NWRL/Metro/Harbour Crossing

Postby Frosty » Tue Apr 11, 2017 10:01 am

Bit annoyed no direct CBD buses maybe they hope the existing CBD services are enough 292/293/621/651. Maybe they dumped the Gordon route since there is a peak time 197 service operated by Forest from Gordon Macquarie Park and Macquarie Uni.
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Re: NSW Future Rail Plan - NWRL/Metro/Harbour Crossing

Postby simonl » Tue Apr 11, 2017 11:45 am

Frosty wrote:Bit annoyed no direct CBD buses maybe they hope the existing CBD services are enough 292/293/621/651. Maybe they dumped the Gordon route since there is a peak time 197 service operated by Forest from Gordon Macquarie Park and Macquarie Uni.

Why would there be direct CBD buses? The trains will go around via Strathfield won't they?
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Re: NSW Future Rail Plan - NWRL/Metro/Harbour Crossing

Postby simonl » Tue Apr 11, 2017 12:48 pm

What is disappointing is that there are no direct Epping-North Sydney buses. Who wants to catch a train from Chatswood after having to transfer at Epping or Beecroft?

Cheltenham-St Leonards will be pretty annoying with this service structure too.
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Re: NSW Future Rail Plan - NWRL/Metro/Harbour Crossing

Postby Frosty » Tue Apr 11, 2017 4:35 pm

There is the 291 service that runs past Nth Sydney and St Leonard's via Mac Uni to Epping. Though it isn't that fast considering it's an all stops bus.
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Re: NSW Future Rail Plan - NWRL/Metro/Harbour Crossing

Postby simonl » Tue Apr 11, 2017 6:53 pm

Frosty wrote:There is the 291 service that runs past Nth Sydney and St Leonard's via Mac Uni to Epping. Though it isn't that fast considering it's an all stops bus.

Groan. That is not what was meant by a direct bus, or at least what I meant.
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Re: NSW Future Rail Plan - NWRL/Metro/Harbour Crossing

Postby Stu » Tue Apr 11, 2017 9:46 pm

Frosty wrote:Bit annoyed no direct CBD buses maybe they hope the existing CBD services are enough 292/293/621/651. Maybe they dumped the Gordon route since there is a peak time 197 service operated by Forest from Gordon Macquarie Park and Macquarie Uni.


There should be new timetables coming out in June for some sta routes along Epping Rd and Pacific Hwy with regards to the new route 530. I don't know if there will be growth buses in these areas or if it will simply be very minor timetable changes due to scheduling / shift building for the new roiute 530.
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Re: NSW Future Rail Plan - NWRL/Metro/Harbour Crossing

Postby neilrex » Thu Apr 13, 2017 12:07 pm

Where is the new route 530 going to go ?
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Re: NSW Future Rail Plan - NWRL/Metro/Harbour Crossing

Postby mandonov » Thu Apr 13, 2017 1:00 pm

Burwood to Chatswood via Lane Cove
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Re: NSW Future Rail Plan - NWRL/Metro/Harbour Crossing

Postby Transtopic » Tue Apr 18, 2017 8:50 pm

In response to "North-west Disaster" thread which is now locked, destos for outbound Northern Line services from Central to Epping, show "Epping via Eastwood", which I suspect was the indication on the train for the city-bound service from Chatswood. Upon conversion of the ECRL to metro, I expect that Epping Starters as an all stations service will continue on the Northern Line in peak hours, complementing the diverted Hornsby via Strathfield services. Although there's not been any confirmation at this stage, it's possible that peak hour services from Hornsby via Strathfield will be semi-express from Epping, stopping at Eastwood, West Ryde, possibly Meadowbank, Rhodes, Strathfield, Burwood, Redfern and Central, continuing through to the North Shore. Off-peak services to and from Hornsby via Strathfield are likely to be all stations at 4tph.
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Re: NSW Future Rail Plan - NWRL/Metro/Harbour Crossing

Postby simonl » Tue Apr 18, 2017 10:48 pm

I never expected that they would be silly enough to run the upper northern line trains to Town Hall until the leak just before the 2015 election. It isn't going to work at Central 16/17 - too many people needing to cram onto too few trains. Running to Central (i) and increasing Coast via Shore at the expense of Coast via Strathfield would be far superior not least because a few more people would have an incentive to avoid the via Strathfield route, most extreme cases being Normanhurst-St Leonards and Cheltenham-Chatswood, but even to Wynyard from Normanhurst the lost time via Hornsby vs via MQP is negative in peak hour.
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Re: NSW Future Rail Plan - NWRL/Metro/Harbour Crossing

Postby neilrex » Wed Apr 19, 2017 12:10 pm

mandonov wrote:Burwood to Chatswood via Lane Cove


That sounds useful ! Which bridge does it cross ? A service via Drummoyne would be good, but it is hard to see how it would be possible to interchange with Victoria Road services.
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Re: NSW Future Rail Plan - NWRL/Metro/Harbour Crossing

Postby Fleet Lists » Wed Apr 19, 2017 3:12 pm

Some posts moved to viewtopic.php?f=3&t=84218 where the same thing is being discussed
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Re: NSW Future Rail Plan - NWRL/Metro/Harbour Crossing

Postby simonl » Fri Apr 21, 2017 7:26 am

From page 2:
Glen wrote:
simonl wrote:Western Line trains to go around the city circle is in one video. This means either:
a) Clearways is to be undone and crossing from the suburbans to locals at Macdonaldtown re-instituted; or
b) Further slow downs to the less slow trains on the locals to fit in some more trains from the west


Daniel wrote:It could be just an unrealistic video made by some graphic designer...
I'll take Option (c). :lol:

For the record, option (b) is in the leaked timetable.
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Re: NSW Future Rail Plan - NWRL/Metro/Harbour Crossing

Postby Tonymercury » Fri Apr 21, 2017 2:50 pm

Well it does seem that TfNSW have done a job of Maskirovka that the Red Army would be proud of!


They've sold the ABC a pup in the form of a three year old very incomplete draft timetable which does not include the most recently announced changes, or the rumoured real version of those changes, and, as a bonus, now have two threads here of people discussing the same unlikely document! Its a wonder that someone didn't offer it to Murdoch for a few million.

Its a pity the CSELR could not have been handled with the same finesse.

I know who'll be getting my vote at the awards ceremony at the end of the year.
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Re: NSW Future Rail Plan - NWRL/Metro/Harbour Crossing

Postby Roderick Smith » Fri Apr 21, 2017 8:09 pm

April 10 2017 Sydney's Macquarie Park in for road upgrade to help ease chronic congestion .
The NSW government will spend $60 million to relieve chronic congestion at Sydney's second-largest business precinct at Macquarie Park as the temporary shutdown of the Epping-to-Chatswood rail line looms late next year.
The first stage of the road project to begin this year involves upgrades to intersections in an attempt to improve bus running times ahead of the shut down of the rail line for seven months while it is converted to carry single-deck metro trains.
The first 700 metres of an extra three kilometres of bus lanes will be installed over the next year in and around the precinct, which is home to Macquarie University, a large shopping centre and a raft of large businesses such as Optus.
Transport Minister Andrew Constance said the work would assist in easing pressure during the closure of the 13km stretch of rail line, when buses would be used to move thousands of people each day between stations.
"We are fair dinkum about investing very heavily in Macquarie Park," he said.
"The roads are clogged. We have got to get on and free up transport infrastructure from cars, and that's why we're investing like we are with the additional bus lanes."
The intersections to be upgraded during the first stage of the project are Herring and Epping roads; Herring and Waterloo; Waterloo and Lane Cove; and Lane Cove and Epping.
The government will undertake further road improvements at Macquarie Park over a two-year period once the first section of the new $20 billion metro line from Rouse Hill in Sydney's north west to Chatswood is completed in 2019.
Roads in and around Macquarie Park suffer chronic congestion during peak periods. Photo: Dean Sewell .
Up to 25 on-street car spaces and about 150 trees will be removed as a result of the construction work.
Ryde mayor Bill Pickering said there was an urgent need for transport infrastructure at Macquarie Park because its roads resembled a car park in the morning and afternoon peak periods.
The closure of the Epping to Chatswood rail line will cause major logistical challenges. Photo: Jon Reid .
"The government must seriously address the [need for an] underground bus terminal and light rail from Carlingford [to Macquarie Park]," he said.
"If we continue the way we are going we are going to see valuable business entities move elsewhere because their employees are having difficulties [travelling to work]."
Mr Pickering, a Liberal Party figure, said everyone harboured concerns about how the temporary closure of the Epping-to-Chatswood line would be handled.
Fairfax Media reported on Monday that an internal memo prepared within Transport for NSW showed the state government had been instructing transport officials to ignore public transport alternatives to motorway projects.
However, Mr Constance refuted suggestions Cabinet was giving priority to road projects such as the proposed F6 motorway in Sydney's south.
"What we have today is an email that has been cobbled together by some bureaucrat which is ill informed of the Cabinet process. The reality is that there is no Cabinet directive," he said.
"The email tried to speculate what Cabinet might or might not do."
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'Crisis on their hands': Key Sydney rail line closure prompts dire warning .
The state government told officials to prioritise motorways over public transport, documents show.
F6 planners told to ignore public transport, build roads .
www.theage.com.au/nsw/sydneys-macquarie ... vhi5q.html
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Re: NSW Future Rail Plan - NWRL/Metro/Harbour Crossing

Postby simonl » Fri Apr 21, 2017 8:27 pm

Hmm, is this upgrading the areas of T3 to bus lane?
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Re: NSW Future Rail Plan - NWRL/Metro/Harbour Crossing

Postby mandonov » Fri Apr 21, 2017 9:55 pm

I posted maps in the thread I made about this topic:

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=84174
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Re: NSW Future Rail Plan - NWRL/Metro/Harbour Crossing

Postby gascoyne » Wed May 10, 2017 7:38 am

re safety in the NWRL tunnels: are there regular connecting passages between up and down tunnels west of Epping and could they be used to evacuate passengers from a broken-down train into a train in the opposite direction? Presumably someone would be sent down to direct the evacuation.
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Re: NSW Future Rail Plan - NWRL/Metro/Harbour Crossing

Postby boronia » Wed May 10, 2017 8:00 am

neilrex wrote:Where is the new route 530 going to go ?

There is a separate thread discussing the 530
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Re: NSW Future Rail Plan - NWRL/Metro/Harbour Crossing

Postby Tonymercury » Wed May 10, 2017 10:44 am

gascoyne wrote:re safety in the NWRL tunnels: are there regular connecting passages between up and down tunnels west of Epping and could they be used to evacuate passengers from a broken-down train into a train in the opposite direction? Presumably someone would be sent down to direct the evacuation.


https://www.sydneymetro.info/northwest/ ... n-overview
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