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Re: NSW Future Rail Plan - NWRL/Metro/Harbour Crossing

Postby swtt » Mon Sep 03, 2018 9:04 am

kypros1992 wrote:For a very rough comparison in the peak

Pre-ECRL (2008 timetable)
- All stop services Horn - Eastwood, then West Ryde, Strathfield then City (20 mins intervals)


These limited stop services also ran every 15 minutes.
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Re: NSW Future Rail Plan - NWRL/Metro/Harbour Crossing

Postby Transtopic » Mon Sep 03, 2018 7:25 pm

swtt wrote:It's not that bad having ex Hornsby trains going to Sydney Terminal. Next year when SMNW opens there will probably be a stack of people in interchanging for the metro anyway.

Unlikely if they are heading for the CBD and will have to change again at Chatswood for the next 5 years.
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Re: NSW Future Rail Plan - NWRL/Metro/Harbour Crossing

Postby swtt » Mon Sep 03, 2018 8:52 pm

Transtopic wrote:
swtt wrote:It's not that bad having ex Hornsby trains going to Sydney Terminal. Next year when SMNW opens there will probably be a stack of people in interchanging for the metro anyway.

Unlikely if they are heading for the CBD and will have to change again at Chatswood for the next 5 years.


I would suspect most people were St Leonards/Nth Syd/Wynyard bound anyway.

Probably still faster via metro + interchanging at Chatswood, than running virtually all stops to Strathfield.
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Re: NSW Future Rail Plan - NWRL/Metro/Harbour Crossing

Postby Transtopic » Mon Sep 03, 2018 11:39 pm

swtt wrote:I would suspect most people were St Leonards/Nth Syd/Wynyard bound anyway.

Probably still faster via metro + interchanging at Chatswood, than running virtually all stops to Strathfield.

I doubt it if travelling to the CBD, where most people are likely to be destined. It's still all stops from Chatswood to the CBD. Why would you bother in interchanging twice and be faced with the inevitable interchange congestion at Chatswood? After extension of the metro to the CBD, then that's a different matter.
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Re: NSW Future Rail Plan - NWRL/Metro/Harbour Crossing

Postby andy_centralcoast » Wed Sep 05, 2018 12:28 pm

I think Channel 9 might be a bit confused with the timetable changes.
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There has also been some noise in the media about 4 car South Coast services from Central at 15:24 and 15:54. Some have suggested using carriages from trains that won't be running during the ECRL shutdown. Transport NSW response was: “Making this change to the network to allow for the T1 Northern and T1 North Shore lines to operate separately, means more trains are required, not less.”
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Re: NSW Future Rail Plan - NWRL/Metro/Harbour Crossing

Postby Speedbird1 » Thu Sep 06, 2018 12:57 pm

andy_centralcoast wrote:I think Channel 9 might be a bit confused with the timetable changes.
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They didn't realise the Hornsby expresses run via Strathfield to terminate at Sydney Terminal.
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Re: NSW Future Rail Plan - NWRL/Metro/Harbour Crossing

Postby andy_centralcoast » Wed Sep 12, 2018 7:46 am

“Metro integration - service adjustments 2018 fact sheets” have started being distributed at some T1 stations, from contractors wearing “MySydney” attire. (Sadly no Lee Lin Chin to be seen).

These fact sheets are much more honest about the changes than the media release and online information.

The sheets include that late night services will be reduced for lower north shore stations, and that the peak changes will also mean additional journey times for some customers travelling to/from upper north shore and upper northern line stations.

I have yet to see anything for CCN telling customers from smaller stations like Cowan that they will need to change at Hornsby after September to get to Epping or Strathfield.
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Re: NSW Future Rail Plan - NWRL/Metro/Harbour Crossing

Postby boronia » Wed Sep 12, 2018 2:42 pm

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Re: NSW Future Rail Plan - NWRL/Metro/Harbour Crossing

Postby swtt » Wed Sep 12, 2018 3:25 pm



The stupid replies in those comments about Airport Station Access Fees are a reflection of how much the media has peddled with the message, and confused the entire community.

If only they sold the rights to develop the area above the stations and at Green Square and Mascot.
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Re: NSW Future Rail Plan - NWRL/Metro/Harbour Crossing

Postby boronia » Wed Sep 12, 2018 3:48 pm

I don't think the media has mentioned access fees.

It looks the same mentality that spruiks "selling off buses" is just having their ant--progress rants at a new topic.
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Re: NSW Future Rail Plan - NWRL/Metro/Harbour Crossing

Postby mandonov » Wed Sep 12, 2018 6:08 pm

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Re: NSW Future Rail Plan - NWRL/Metro/Harbour Crossing

Postby PaulSEO » Mon Sep 24, 2018 1:10 pm

Andrew Constance has declared that the Metro West station will not be at Martin Place, one reason being that it would have to be "300 to 400m underground"( an exaggeration surely). I found the video where he says this at https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/ ... 070d138d4f, tho that story doesn't seem to be directly related to the video. He was coy as to where the city station would be, just saying it's a big city.
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Re: NSW Future Rail Plan - NWRL/Metro/Harbour Crossing

Postby mandonov » Mon Sep 24, 2018 9:54 pm

Apparently there was an open day at Tallawong Station this past weekend. Lot's of pictures at this facebook: https://www.facebook.com/story.php?stor ... =787668858

Note that Tallawong has platforms 2 and 3. There's a third track from the depot, on the western side with space for a future platform 1.
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Re: NSW Future Rail Plan - NWRL/Metro/Harbour Crossing

Postby neilrex » Tue Sep 25, 2018 8:21 am

Poorly planned escalators to maximise customer walking distance.
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Re: NSW Future Rail Plan - NWRL/Metro/Harbour Crossing

Postby neilrex » Tue Sep 25, 2018 1:59 pm

Good luck building apartments on top of Mascot station, it is under the roadway. And I think Green Square is, also. I'm not sure about that one.
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Re: NSW Future Rail Plan - NWRL/Metro/Harbour Crossing

Postby boronia » Tue Sep 25, 2018 7:05 pm

The entrance building at Mascot is a single storey structure, would not be difficult to build on the site.
https://www.bing.com/search?q=mascot+ra ... 7865872747


Likewise, there is a large open space surrounding the entrance to Green Square. A few years ago there were plans to realign the southern extension of Wynham St across this land and extend the one way sections of Wyndham and Botany Rd from Henderson Rd through to Bourke Rd.
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Re: NSW Future Rail Plan - NWRL/Metro/Harbour Crossing

Postby moa999 » Tue Sep 25, 2018 7:11 pm

Mascot is built on a tiny sliver of land between the road and other apartment buildings, that were designed to overlook the road and effectively set back for the station.
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Re: NSW Future Rail Plan - NWRL/Metro/Harbour Crossing

Postby boronia » Tue Sep 25, 2018 9:03 pm

That won't stop Harry from wanting to build something there
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Re: NSW Future Rail Plan - NWRL/Metro/Harbour Crossing

Postby mandonov » Tue Sep 25, 2018 10:00 pm

boronia wrote:Likewise, there is a large open space surrounding the entrance to Green Square. A few years ago there were plans to realign the southern extension of Wynham St across this land and extend the one way sections of Wyndham and Botany Rd from Henderson Rd through to Bourke Rd.

Still the plan, pending RMS action and market demand for the mooted commercial building.
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Re: NSW Future Rail Plan - NWRL/Metro/Harbour Crossing

Postby mandonov » Tue Sep 25, 2018 10:03 pm

neilrex wrote:Poorly planned escalators to maximise customer walking distance.


Care to elaborate?

To me it looks well spaced out to optimise pedestrian movements so that there isn't crowding around pinch points. With such frequent services, missing a train because you have to walk an extra 10 metres isn't a big deal.
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Re: NSW Future Rail Plan - NWRL/Metro/Harbour Crossing

Postby crimsontide » Thu Sep 27, 2018 11:48 am

andy_centralcoast wrote:“Metro integration - service adjustments 2018 fact sheets” have started being distributed at some T1 stations, from contractors wearing “MySydney” attire. (Sadly no Lee Lin Chin to be seen).

These fact sheets are much more honest about the changes than the media release and online information.

The sheets include that late night services will be reduced for lower north shore stations, and that the peak changes will also mean additional journey times for some customers travelling to/from upper north shore and upper northern line stations.

I have yet to see anything for CCN telling customers from smaller stations like Cowan that they will need to change at Hornsby after September to get to Epping or Strathfield.


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Re: NSW Future Rail Plan - NWRL/Metro/Harbour Crossing

Postby neilrex » Thu Sep 27, 2018 2:33 pm

mandonov wrote:
neilrex wrote:Poorly planned escalators to maximise customer walking distance.


Care to elaborate?

To me it looks well spaced out to optimise pedestrian movements so that there isn't crowding around pinch points. With such frequent services, missing a train because you have to walk an extra 10 metres isn't a big deal.


If you visit building with more than one level of escalators, such as old department stores like Myer or David Jones, or some shopping malls, you may have observed that there are two ways of running escalators.

One method has the up and down escalators crisscrossing in such a way that you can turn from the top of one escalator directly on the bottom of the next one, going up the flight. The other method requires you to walk 30 metres right round to the other side, to get onto the next escalator.

The first method is better for people in a hurry. The second method is better for the shopkeeper trying to attract customers, but take much longer for people in a hurry. Guess which category the majority of customers heading for the station will be ? The escalators where the Coles Express shop at Wynyard are, are an excellent example of this scam.

The design of that new station near Martin Place is a bit of a joke, Maximises circuitous routes and walking distances. The people who made that design, and the people who approved it, should go to China and Japan to see how properly designed subway train station entrance are designed, They are probably all poms who want to do it like they did in London in 1885.
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Re: NSW Future Rail Plan - NWRL/Metro/Harbour Crossing

Postby moa999 » Thu Sep 27, 2018 5:27 pm

Suspect you need to consider safety where those escalators will be running at capacity at times - quite different loads. To your normal shopping centre.

Consider what happens if the 2nd escalator suddenly stops. You've quickly got a crush load of people in a small space.
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Re: NSW Future Rail Plan - NWRL/Metro/Harbour Crossing

Postby mandonov » Fri Sep 28, 2018 9:20 am

neilrex wrote:
If you visit building with more than one level of escalators, such as old department stores like Myer or David Jones, or some shopping malls, you may have observed that there are two ways of running escalators.

One method has the up and down escalators crisscrossing in such a way that you can turn from the top of one escalator directly on the bottom of the next one, going up the flight. The other method requires you to walk 30 metres right round to the other side, to get onto the next escalator.

The first method is better for people in a hurry. The second method is better for the shopkeeper trying to attract customers, but take much longer for people in a hurry. Guess which category the majority of customers heading for the station will be ? The escalators where the Coles Express shop at Wynyard are, are an excellent example of this scam.

The design of that new station near Martin Place is a bit of a joke, Maximises circuitous routes and walking distances. The people who made that design, and the people who approved it, should go to China and Japan to see how properly designed subway train station entrance are designed, They are probably all poms who want to do it like they did in London in 1885.

Ah. You should have quoted in your previous comment as I thought you were responding to mine in regards to Tallawong Station.

I agree with you about Martin Place. It's designed for more store fronts to be passed by.
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Re: NSW Future Rail Plan - NWRL/Metro/Harbour Crossing

Postby Fleet Lists » Sun Sep 30, 2018 4:30 pm

With the latest projected opening date 2nd quarter of 2019, it wont be before the election and more English influence.
https://www.transport.nsw.gov.au/news-a ... dney-metro

New Chief Executive appointed to Sydney Metro
Published27 Sep 2018

Jon Lamonte has today been announced as the Chief Executive of the Sydney Metro entity – responsible for delivering Australia's biggest public transport project.

Minister for Transport and Infrastructure Andrew Constance said Mr Lamonte has significant experience in the rail and transport industries, currently serving as the Chief Executive of Transport for Greater Manchester.

“As Chief Executive of Transport for Greater Manchester since 2013, Jon has been responsible for delivering the largest transport capital program outside of London, including expansion of the public transport network, smart ticketing solutions and a range of new interchanges. He was previously CEO of Tube Lines, a Private Public Partnership company responsible for the upgrading of three London tube lines,” Mr Constance said

Prior to his move to transport Jon served in the Royal Air Force (RAF), attaining the rank of Vice-Air Marshal.

“During his military service, Jon was in charge of the largest RAF base in the UK with his responsibilities including operations, aircraft fleet and training, in addition to developing a 10 year capital investment program in equipment and infrastructure and leading strategic reviews of the Royal Navy.

“As the Chief Executive of Sydney Metro, Jon will be responsible for delivering a world-class metro railway service for customers.

“Jon’s experience leading customer-focused organisations in infrastructure delivery, and the management of complex multimodal transport systems run by private operators, makes him ideally suited to lead Sydney Metro.”

Established in July this year, Sydney Metro is an operating agency owned by the NSW Government.

Sydney Metro opens in the second quarter of next year in the city’s north west, then extending into the CBD and beyond to Bankstown. In 2024, Sydney will have 31 Sydney Metro stations and 66km of new metro rail, with a new metro train every four minutes in each direction during the peak.

New metro rail will also link the Sydney CBD to Parramatta and Westmead. The railway servicing the new Western Sydney Airport will be also developed and delivered by Sydney Metro.

Mr Lamonte will commence in the role later this year.

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