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Re: NSW Future Rail Plan - NWRL/Metro/Harbour Crossing

Postby tonyp » Sat Sep 30, 2017 11:37 am

mandonov wrote:
Liamena wrote:Are there any train sidings ? It's going to be hard getting the line up and running at 5 AM every morning, if the trains have to make a two-hour trip from the back of Rouse Hill first.

There will be a depot in Sydenham at the tunnel dive site.

Besides which, even if a train did have to go from Schofields to Bankstown the trip is 1hr 20mins - for 65 km with 29 intermediate stops, obviously faster if it didn't have to stop on a positioning run.
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Re: NSW Future Rail Plan - NWRL/Metro/Harbour Crossing

Postby Tonymercury » Sun Oct 01, 2017 5:29 am

tonyp wrote: obviously faster if it didn't have to stop on a positioning run.


As there is supposed to be little staff cost, why a positioning run? Better to run it as a passenger service.
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Re: NSW Future Rail Plan - NWRL/Metro/Harbour Crossing

Postby boronia » Sun Oct 01, 2017 9:39 am

Unless they sneak all the positioning runs out in the middle of the night, with the promised "high frequency", it wouldn't take long to get stuck behind a service run. I haven't seen mention of overtaking facilities on this line.
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Re: NSW Future Rail Plan - NWRL/Metro/Harbour Crossing

Postby Frosty » Sun Oct 01, 2017 10:03 am

All this talk positioning runs at night why don’t we operate the metro all night on Friday & Saturday nights maybe not along the whole line but between Chatswood & Sydenham. Surely all night operation will be possible with a brand new Metro.

Couldn’t they just store a few trains in the platforms at the Bankstown end for the first trips of the morning. Fair point doesn’t like many overtaking opportunities this could be provided by having an extra platform at certain stations. Where will there be places to terminate Trains short in case of disruption or defective trains.

What wouldn’t be ideal is having to de train customers at a Platform with the train blocking the line. At least 2 mins would be needed to check if train was empty.
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Re: NSW Future Rail Plan - NWRL/Metro/Harbour Crossing

Postby Tonymercury » Thu Oct 05, 2017 11:59 am

The two standard metro?

The EIS for Chatswood to the City said that all stations require lifts and escalators - but the EIS for the Bankstown line makes no mention of escalators!
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Re: NSW Future Rail Plan - NWRL/Metro/Harbour Crossing

Postby mandonov » Fri Oct 06, 2017 10:06 pm

Does it really matter?
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Re: NSW Future Rail Plan - NWRL/Metro/Harbour Crossing

Postby Tonymercury » Sat Oct 07, 2017 5:05 am

mandonov wrote:Does it really matter?


yes
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Re: NSW Future Rail Plan - NWRL/Metro/Harbour Crossing

Postby Liamena » Sat Oct 07, 2017 5:50 am

The problem with new overhead bridges is that they are too tall, it is like walking up a four storey building, usually for no good reason. And lifts are too slow and unreliable.
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Re: NSW Future Rail Plan - NWRL/Metro/Harbour Crossing

Postby grog » Sat Oct 07, 2017 7:05 am

Tonymercury wrote:The two standard metro?

The EIS for Chatswood to the City said that all stations require lifts and escalators - but the EIS for the Bankstown line makes no mention of escalators!


This isn't unusual - they might not have said it like this but the real standard is that underground stations require escalators and lifts, above ground stations don't. When viewed through this prism the distinction makes perfect sense.
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Re: NSW Future Rail Plan - NWRL/Metro/Harbour Crossing

Postby tonyp » Sat Oct 07, 2017 8:03 am

I would have thought that the need for escalators is mainly a factor of the volume of traffic that passes through a given station, regardless of whether above ground or underground. In addition, underground stations that are deeper will need escalators. Accessibility is addressed by lifts and ramps, so escalators don't come into that part of the discussion.
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Re: NSW Future Rail Plan - NWRL/Metro/Harbour Crossing

Postby mandonov » Sat Oct 07, 2017 2:09 pm

Height relative to the concourse definitely is a major factors to whether a station will have escalators. Having legacy stations, the Bankstown line doesn't really have very high concourses. Compare that to Northwest where almost every station is several metres above or below ground.

Escalators or stairs, it really won't make much of a difference on this section of the line, especially with multiple stations possibly getting second entrances.
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Re: NSW Future Rail Plan - NWRL/Metro/Harbour Crossing

Postby boronia » Sat Oct 07, 2017 2:18 pm

How many surface level stations in Sydney currently have escalators?
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Re: NSW Future Rail Plan - NWRL/Metro/Harbour Crossing

Postby Tonymercury » Sat Oct 07, 2017 3:13 pm

boronia wrote:How many surface level stations in Sydney currently have escalators?


How many have no steps?
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Re: NSW Future Rail Plan - NWRL/Metro/Harbour Crossing

Postby Tonymercury » Sat Oct 07, 2017 3:18 pm

To get a bit serious about this - as someone who has to use the lift, I dislike waiting 10 minutes for the queue of people who MAY NOT HAVE to use the lift but do, to clear, especially if the connecting bus will inevitably have left when I get to the stop.

I would prefer level entry and ramps any time over lifts, but a soon a lifts are installed the demand far exceeds the supply.
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Re: NSW Future Rail Plan - NWRL/Metro/Harbour Crossing

Postby tonyp » Sat Oct 07, 2017 4:08 pm

Tonymercury wrote:I would prefer level entry and ramps any time over lifts, but a soon a lifts are installed the demand far exceeds the supply.

You'd appreciate the footbridge/subway-free legacy lines in Perth. Basically they're little more than a high-platform tram stop.
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