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Macquarie Centre

Postby Ted » Thu Sep 30, 2010 11:25 am

Another 480 services a week through Macquarie Centre with the introduction of the M54 service.

The pedestrian crossing into the shopping Centre which is located in the midst of the bus stops is far from ideal in the movement of a constant stream of buses outside the Centre's entrance.

Can anything be done to make the arrangements more user friendly for bus commuters and pedestrians?
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Re: Macquarie Centre

Postby crazyknightsfan » Thu Sep 30, 2010 11:31 am

The current expansion of Macquarie Centre should cover the existing car park along Herring Road/the top of Waterloo Road.

The buses should gradually be relocated to an on-street interchange, straddling the intersection of Herring/Waterloo Roads. This allows buses to go straight from the uni into Waterloo Road without the detour - buses coming to/from the M2 and terminating can use the existing interchange and/or Herring Road.

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Re: Macquarie Centre Interchange

Postby iamthouth » Tue Nov 28, 2017 4:42 am

From https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/ ... e534b26c8b

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Artist impressions of a new interchange in Bennelong to fix traffic congestion at Macquarie Park.

Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull pledges $100 million for Bennelong transport interchange
SHARRI MARKSON, The Daily Telegraph

MALCOLM Turnbull will today pour $100 million into the Bennelong electorate to build a major transport hub, as the Liberal Party fights to hold onto the seat to secure a governing majority.

With the race tightening between Labor’s former NSW premier Kristina Keneally and Liberal John Alexander, the Prime Minister will commit the cash to build a new transport interchange at Macquarie Park to fix traffic congestion, ease clogged roads and make it faster to catch a bus, train or get a cab.

Mr Turnbull will today join NSW Premier Gladys Berejiklian in the midst of the Bennelong by-election campaign to announce funding for the hub, which includes a new bus interchange connecting Macquarie University and the Macquarie Centre.

Construction is slated to begin in 2020, coinciding with the opening of the Sydney Metro rail line to minimise disruption to drivers.

“This interchange is a game-changer for peak-hour commuters who travel to and from Macquarie Park every day. It will provide faster, safer and easier transitions between various transport options, ’’ Mr Turnbull said.

“We are delivering the transport infrastructure to ensure Sydney residents spend more time at home with their family and less time commuting.’’

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The proposed $100m project will include a new bus interchange connecting Macquarie University and the Macquarie Centre.
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An artist impression shows the interchange outside Macquarie Centre.

Mr Turnbull, Ms Berejiklian and NSW Transport Minister Andrew Constance have been discussing the infrastructure project for several months, but the federal government signed off on the funding last week, with Mr Alexander’s campaign probably acting as an ­additional incentive.

Polling commissioned by The Daily Telegraph at the start of the Bennelong campaign showed Mr Alexander was just three percentage points ahead of Ms Keneally, with the pair tied 50-50 on a two-party-preferred basis.

With federal Parliament cancelled this week, Mr Turnbull is expected to make multiple visits to Bennelong to try to help win the seat, which is absolutely crucial for his government to hold.

The Commonwealth has agreed to provide the majority of the $100 million funding, but the NSW government, which has been developing a strategic business case for Macquarie Park, will also contribute.

Macquarie Park is the largest transport hub in Sydney outside of the CBD, with 20,000 commuters passing through it each day.

Transport and commute times are a major issue affecting Bennelong residents, with traffic chaos and road delays around the Macquarie interchange an ongoing problem.

Ms Berejiklian said Macquarie Park had become a critical driver of economic growth in NSW.

“This funding will allow us to not only fast-track the project, but also choose a design with the best outcomes for urban amenity,” she said.

Mr Alexander said “this interchange is a huge win for the people of Bennelong”.

“It will reduce congestion on our local roads and make it easier for commuters to travel from A to B,” the tennis great said.

A business case is yet to determine the final design, but artist’s impressions show a picture of the area if part of the interchange was moved underground to ease traffic on roads.

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Re: Macquarie Centre

Postby Tonymercury » Tue Nov 28, 2017 4:59 am

2020 Metro opening? Really?
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Re: Macquarie Centre

Postby swtt » Tue Nov 28, 2017 6:58 am

Tonymercury wrote:2020 Metro opening? Really?
Looks like through traffic underground, transport interchange above. Quick tunnelling.

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Re: Macquarie Centre

Postby tonyp » Tue Nov 28, 2017 7:51 am

Let's hope the centre's owners don't try to sue them for loss of value in the Land and Environment Court like they tried when the railway station came along. Nothing must be allowed to threaten the mandate to use your car when shopping at the mall.
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Re: Macquarie Centre

Postby tonyp » Tue Nov 28, 2017 8:44 am

20,000 people a day? The last TfNSW published barrier counts are 2014 but at that date 7,800 passed through Macquarie Park per 24 hours and 20,000 for Macquarie Univ. Several other Sydney centres have vastly larger numbers than these, Parramatta being the biggest outside the CBD at 70,000. The use of Opal data since then has upended a lot of figures, but who really knows - apart from TfNSW? Are there any current figures for barrier counts? None that I can see on the transport statistics website.
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Re: Macquarie Centre

Postby Tonymercury » Tue Nov 28, 2017 9:46 am

At least it looks like it might get away from the problem of having the busiest stop on the narrowest part of the footpath!
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Re: Macquarie Centre

Postby mandonov » Tue Nov 28, 2017 12:42 pm

Tonymercury wrote:2020 Metro opening? Really?

Daily Terror. Tonnes of salt need to be taken when reading it.

Unlike the light rail, the metro seems to be bang on schedule.
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Re: Macquarie Centre

Postby mandonov » Tue Nov 28, 2017 1:09 pm

tonyp wrote:Let's hope the centre's owners don't try to sue them for loss of value in the Land and Environment Court like they tried when the railway station came along. Nothing must be allowed to threaten the mandate to use your car when shopping at the mall.

They've finally come around to the station and have plans to connect to the mid-level escalator landing when they redevelop for apartments above the centre.
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Re: Macquarie Centre

Postby tonyp » Tue Nov 28, 2017 3:11 pm

mandonov wrote:They've finally come around to the station

I imagine that their valuers have since drawn to their attention that it actually increases the value of the property!
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Re: Macquarie Centre

Postby rogf24 » Tue Nov 28, 2017 3:34 pm

The underground interchange and ramps reminds me of Westpoint Blacktown.
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Re: Macquarie Centre

Postby swtt » Tue Nov 28, 2017 3:57 pm

rogf24 wrote:The underground interchange and ramps reminds me of Westpoint Blacktown.


It's not the interchange that is going underground from the pictures. It's the through road! :P
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Re: Macquarie Centre

Postby tonyp » Tue Nov 28, 2017 4:49 pm

swtt wrote:It's not the interchange that is going underground from the pictures. It's the through road! :P

That's actually a refreshing change from the usual stinking underground hole that public transport users are sent into, also requiring lifts etc. It's a million times better that the public transport interfaces with its users at level and in clear sight in an open, publicly visible (for safety) environment. It's the cars that need to be undergrounded.
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Re: Macquarie Centre

Postby Transtopic » Tue Nov 28, 2017 8:33 pm

swtt wrote:
rogf24 wrote:The underground interchange and ramps reminds me of Westpoint Blacktown.


It's not the interchange that is going underground from the pictures. It's the through road! :P

That doesn't make sense. The existing bus interchange is already on the surface. As a regular visitor to Macquarie centre, I've never found any problem with through traffic. Previous proposals had been for an underground bus interchange, which would make more sense, because it can connect directly with the rail station concourse.
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Re: Macquarie Centre

Postby Newcastle Flyer » Tue Nov 28, 2017 11:56 pm

Transtopic wrote:That doesn't make sense. The existing bus interchange is already on the surface.
It will make sense when you say "Saturday 16th December"!

Their must be a "buy-election" in this area in a few weeks - oh their is! He must really be desperate not to loose a seat - for obvious reasons.
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Re: Macquarie Centre

Postby Tonymercury » Wed Nov 29, 2017 4:45 am

it seems to be Herring Rd that is going underground - how that will fit in with the station concourse might be an interesting exercise.
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Re: Macquarie Centre

Postby mandonov » Wed Nov 29, 2017 11:18 am

Judging by the artists drawing, the dive would begin just past where the concourse is. The station is deep enough anyway.
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Re: Macquarie Centre

Postby mandonov » Wed Nov 29, 2017 11:28 am

Transtopic wrote:That doesn't make sense. The existing bus interchange is already on the surface. As a regular visitor to Macquarie centre, I've never found any problem with through traffic. Previous proposals had been for an underground bus interchange, which would make more sense, because it can connect directly with the rail station concourse.

In peak hour it gets very backed up. I find that people use the interchange more for access to the Uni and work rather than to change to a train.

Unless some sort of Wynyard Walk type connection is built at great expense, an underground bus interchange would force everyone using it to make some sort of vertical movement either up to street level or down to the station. A street level interchange only requires the latter to make a vertical transfer.
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Re: Macquarie Centre

Postby tonyp » Wed Nov 29, 2017 12:13 pm

Underground bus interchanges are also an extreme last resort until such time as we get fully electric bus fleets. They're very unpleasant and unhealthy places where you get hit by the diesel fumes (and noise) as soon as you go through the doors from the waiting lounge and inside the bus when it opens its doors at the interchange. No amount of extraction systems seems to solve this problem.
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Re: Macquarie Centre

Postby Tonymercury » Wed Nov 29, 2017 5:17 pm

mandonov wrote: The station is deep enough anyway.


the station platforms are but the concourse has some light from street level and is a cavern.
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Re: Macquarie Centre

Postby Transtopic » Wed Nov 29, 2017 7:00 pm

It was reported in the Financial Review today - "In a sign that the interchange decision was taken at the last minute without normal planning, the NSW Government says it is still considering three alternatives for where to put the interchange and whether it should be built underground. NSW also has to negotiate with AMP Capital, owner of an adjacent shopping mall, which had its own plans for an interchange".

I'd suggest that the artist's impression is just one of those proposals which was rushed out, so it could change.
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Re: Macquarie Centre

Postby burrumbus » Wed Nov 29, 2017 10:15 pm

Ah,what politicians will do with an election in the wind!!!
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Re: Macquarie Centre

Postby Tonymercury » Thu Nov 30, 2017 6:22 am

Transtopic wrote: NSW also has to negotiate with AMP Capital, owner of an adjacent shopping mall, which had its own plans for an interchange".



Based on previous NSW experience, now would be a good time to make a firm decision to NEVER allow a shopping centre owner to plan public transport.
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Re: Macquarie Centre

Postby tonyp » Thu Nov 30, 2017 8:24 am

Tonymercury wrote:
Transtopic wrote: NSW also has to negotiate with AMP Capital, owner of an adjacent shopping mall, which had its own plans for an interchange".



Based on previous NSW experience, now would be a good time to make a firm decision to NEVER allow a shopping centre owner to plan public transport.

Delete "NSW" substitute "Australian".

The retailing industry in general in Australia bases itself on access by car and exposure to signifcant road corridors. You can buy and carry away in a car boot much more than you can on a public transport vehicle. Public transport is tolerated for its role in collecting the dregs and bringing them to and from the shopping centre, usually with a walk in the rain and sun thrown in for free.
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