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Re: Wollongong Rt. 55 Commenced Service & Split into 55A/C

Postby tonyp » Thu Dec 14, 2017 5:32 am

rogf24 wrote:I don't think it will happen but I'm really hoping that CSELR will be free between Central and Circular Quay, the Parramatta Light Rail free west of Camellia and Newcastle Light Rail free for the entire initial length. In the latter 2 cases, I would scrap the free buses.

Add to that a fare-free zone in inner Wollongong, bounded by the 55's route with a southern extension down to Coniston/Springhill Rd. That would answer the "spreading the load across all services" objection.

Charging for the tram in Newcastle will presumably coincide with the termination of the fare-free zone there. The Parramatta tram dupicates part of the Shuttle's route and, again, will presumably mean the end of fare-free travel. What will central Sydney and Parramatta get for their Parking Space Levy in future I wonder?

The other reason TfNSW wants to get rid of fare-free services is of course capacity. They're terrified of services being overwhelmed with demand. The Victorians seem to have no such fear. Their free transit zone resulted in a boom of 20 million more passenger journeys per year on the trams. They became very crowded but everybody lived to see another day. NSW = reactive, regressive, minimalist.
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Re: Wollongong Rt. 55 Commenced Service & Split into 55A/C

Postby tonyp » Sat Dec 16, 2017 7:22 am

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Re: Wollongong Rt. 55 Commenced Service & Split into 55A/C

Postby Glen » Sun Dec 17, 2017 6:44 pm

10 minute frequency New Years Eve (Sunday night) until 11pm:

http://premierillawarra.com.au/news.html
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Re: Wollongong Rt. 55 Commenced Service & Split into 55A/C

Postby tonyp » Mon Dec 18, 2017 7:05 am

Glen wrote:10 minute frequency New Years Eve (Sunday night) until 11pm:

http://premierillawarra.com.au/news.html

It seems like the Elton John fiasco all over again. Most people celebrate new year at midnight, which means the transport needs to run past midnight. At least there's a token effort with the 55 - you get taken there to spend the night on the beach. The rest of Premiers and Dions services shut down at the usual early Sunday evening times. If new years eve is on a Friday or Saturday, at least with Dions they have the regular services running up to about 0300.

I don't know whether we missed this in earlier discussion, but back when Constance declared that the 55's patronage was 3.3 million p.p.a., he said that the combined patronage of all other Wollongong bus services was 3.2 million p.p.a. I think we estimated that the UOW services patronage was about 1 million p.p.a.
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Re: Wollongong Rt. 55 Commenced Service & Split into 55A/C

Postby tonyp » Tue Dec 26, 2017 4:41 pm

http://www.illawarramercury.com.au/stor ... le/?cs=300

I recall that the Opal readers have been fitted to the current buses since their delivery in 2014. TfNSW's intention probably goes a very long way back - like back to when it developed "too much" demand in 2009!
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Re: Wollongong Rt. 55 Commenced Service & Split into 55A/C

Postby Linto63 » Wed Dec 27, 2017 3:10 pm

Or more likely they are specced with Opal readers to allow them to be used on other services should the need arise, or to avoid the need to retrofit if permanently transferred to other duties.
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Re: Wollongong Rt. 55 Commenced Service & Split into 55A/C

Postby tonyp » Wed Dec 27, 2017 3:27 pm

Linto63 wrote:Or more likely they are specced with Opal readers to allow them to be used on other services should the need arise, or to avoid the need to retrofit if permanently transferred to other duties.

The buses are permanently dedicated to that route, but yes no doubt they may be cascaded in the future if replaced with newer buses.
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Re: Wollongong Rt. 55 Commenced Service & Split into 55A/C

Postby Swift » Wed Dec 27, 2017 5:50 pm

Maybe they are there to skim some pocket money from visitors who forget our don't realise it's free and tap on and off out of reflex. :twisted:
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Re: Wollongong Rt. 55 Commenced Service & Split into 55A/C

Postby BroadGauge » Wed Dec 27, 2017 6:51 pm

tonyp wrote:It seems like the Elton John fiasco all over again. Most people celebrate new year at midnight, which means the transport needs to run past midnight. At least there's a token effort with the 55 - you get taken there to spend the night on the beach.

The public event being held by Wollongong City Council concludes after a fireworks display at 9pm (there are no midnight fireworks there), so if the intention is to service that event then running buses until 11pm is adequate.
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Re: Wollongong Rt. 55 Commenced Service & Split into 55A/C

Postby tonyp » Sun Dec 31, 2017 3:02 pm

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Re: Wollongong Rt. 55 Commenced Service & Split into 55A/C

Postby tonyp » Tue Jan 02, 2018 8:21 am

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Re: Wollongong Rt. 55 Commenced Service & Split into 55A/C

Postby Linto63 » Tue Jan 02, 2018 10:00 am

While 25% is the figured quoted as the amount of costs recovered through the farebox, for more heavily used routes like the 55 if fares were charged the recovery would be much higher.

Say the average fare is $2, then based on its present 3.3 million users per annum, it would be expected to bring in revenue of $6.6 million. If patronage dropped to 2 million, then it would bring in $4 million.

Playing devils advocate, when TfNSW cuts its budget for 2018/19 it might forecast the 55 to bring in revenues of $4 million, but if the combined council / funding package is only $700k and the free status is retained, then there will be a $3 million hole. So then the government may say 'thanks for the offer but it ain't enough'. One would assume the 'how much do you need?' question was asked of TfSW before the council / uni committed the $700k, but with communication lines seemingly strained, who knows?
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Re: Wollongong Rt. 55 Commenced Service & Split into 55A/C

Postby tonyp » Tue Jan 02, 2018 11:10 am

Co-funding of these services is quite common in other jurisdictions and I think the parties have to sit down, work out the proportional benefits they get from it and negotiate, which TfNSW has disgracefully failed to initiate thus far (they're the cause of the communication strain). From the viewpoint of the state (via TfNSW), there's solid ground for a funding obligation as part of the general role of government to help stimulate the economic betterment of the state. Again, the proportion of that is something that has to be negotiated.

There's also another party that hasn't been brought into it so far and that's business, and thus employment, but again the state has to determine to what extent that needs state support (particularly if business is a marginal venture in a particular area and might start collapsing - with a consequent increase in unemployment - without a measure of general state support). Can the PSL be applied to Wollongong and funding derived from that? Plenty of issues to consider beyond simple profit and loss measurments.

Unfortunately it's also heavily politicised. The imbalance between the improvements being thrown at Newcastle compared to the neglect of Wollongong is glaringly obvious when one considers the potential electoral benefits to be gained in the former compared with the futility of the government ever winning seats in the latter. Good planning and governance of the state should be apolitical. Having a failed city might be a nice cheap political shot at people for voting for the "wrong" party, but in fact it's something that would indirectly hurt the whole state. It's like shooting yourself in the foot.

Another recent item from the Mercury:

http://www.illawarramercury.com.au/stor ... r/?cs=5400
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Re: Wollongong Rt. 55 Commenced Service & Split into 55A/C

Postby Linto63 » Tue Jan 02, 2018 6:56 pm

With all 3 levels of government involved, what could possibly go wrong? :D
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Re: Wollongong Rt. 55 Commenced Service & Split into 55A/C

Postby Swift » Wed Jan 03, 2018 3:35 pm

Linto63 wrote:With all 3 levels of government involved, what could possibly go wrong? :D

There has been a calling for one level to be abolished for decades. Which one is the million dollar question? They are all shitty at any given time aren't they?
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