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Re: Old Sydney Tram Remnants

Postby Swift » Wed Dec 21, 2016 5:43 pm

Was this an isolated line and why did they shut it down that early on?
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Re: Old Sydney Tram Remnants

Postby Tonymercury » Fri Dec 23, 2016 7:39 am

Some may find this site of interest -

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Re: Old Sydney Tram Remnants

Postby Bedford-29 » Fri Dec 23, 2016 8:03 am

Enfield tram depot with O class waiting there next departure with breakdown tram 115s ex C class 290 waiting for a breakdown.Picture from Steve Terrill (Walkingalongthetrail) flickr
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Re: Old Sydney Tram Remnants

Postby lunchbox » Sat Dec 24, 2016 10:49 am

CONCORD - (Burwood / Crane intersection)
Further to my Tues. Dec. 20 post, the "triangles" which have become exposed are concrete road slabs with curved edges. The interesting one is at the north-west corner of the intersection. The curved edges are 11 feet apart, indicating that the current slab may have replaced a former slab containing a triangular track connection between Crane Street to the west and Burwod Road to the north. Keenan makes no mention of turn-outs of any sort at this intersection, just the obvious curves from Burwood Road into Crane Street.
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Re: Old Sydney Tram Remnants

Postby tonyp » Sat Dec 24, 2016 12:22 pm

Swift wrote:Was this an isolated line and why did they shut it down that early on?

Yes it was isolated. The move to close this system down started in the 1930s with the general move to convert perpheral lines to bus operation as the suburban railway system developed. The closure was deferred due to the war, but after the war they had the additional excuse of maintenance backlog. It closed in 1948 (deferred until after a state election) to intense opposition from the public and local councils.
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Re: Old Sydney Tram Remnants

Postby lunchbox » Wed Jan 04, 2017 2:09 pm

"Off-Route" Rosettes.
The tramway-pattern rosette at 83 York St. (between King & Market) joins those in Sussex St. and Booth St. Annandale as never having had tram or trolleybus routes below them, making three in total. Previous posts have referred to others in York St, north of Market. Can we be more specific about those locations please?
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Re: Old Sydney Tram Remnants

Postby tonyp » Wed Jan 04, 2017 2:44 pm

lunchbox wrote:"Off-Route" Rosettes.
The tramway-pattern rosette at 83 York St. (between King & Market) joins those in Sussex St. and Booth St. Annandale as never having had tram or trolleybus routes below them, making three in total. Previous posts have referred to others in York St, north of Market. Can we be more specific about those locations please?

There was a tram along Booth St.
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Re: Old Sydney Tram Remnants

Postby lunchbox » Wed Jan 04, 2017 2:48 pm

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^but not at the Wigram intersection I think, tonyp
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Re: Old Sydney Tram Remnants

Postby tonyp » Wed Jan 04, 2017 2:56 pm

lunchbox wrote:^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^but not at the Wigram intersection I think, tonyp

I can't see any old buildings at that corner other than a small cottage. Is there a tie-off from the Taylor St corner.
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Re: Old Sydney Tram Remnants

Postby lunchbox » Thu Jan 05, 2017 8:21 am

^^^^^^^^^^^^^As previusly recorded, there's a tramway-pattern rosette on the grey multi-story commercial building on the eastern side of the Booth / Wigram intersection, 50 to 100 m east of where the tram turned into Taylor. Just to add to the confusion, that building post-dates the 1943 aerial photos........
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Re: Old Sydney Tram Remnants

Postby tonyp » Thu Jan 05, 2017 9:11 am

Perhaps some other agencies also used rosettes for attachment of services to buildings? Telephone, electricity ...
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Re: Old Sydney Tram Remnants

Postby boronia » Thu Jan 05, 2017 10:01 am

More likely just to support awnings which are now removed.
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Re: Old Sydney Tram Remnants

Postby tonyp » Thu Jan 05, 2017 10:31 am

Gregorys 1939 street directory with all the tram lines shown, including the about-to-be closed Manly system:

http://voommaps.com/historical-maps/193 ... directory/

Click on each square on the index to bring up the map for that area.

It's interesting to note that on the western side, Sydney "ends" at Casula and Toongabbie!
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Re: Old Sydney Tram Remnants

Postby stajourneyman » Thu Jan 05, 2017 8:12 pm

So. perusing the 1939 Sydney map I notice that the Ashfield to Cabarita/Mortlake line makes a 'deviation' at Georges River Rd and Burwood Rd intersection, wherein it makes a 45 degree right hand turn on the outbound (and likewise in reverse on the inbound), crosses Burwood Rd just north of the intersection, disappears into what are now houses, before travelling into Tangarra St, where the Enfield tram depot was situated. It then turns right into Coronation Parade before continuing on as a '464' before diverging into into a 464 and 466 to Mortlake and Cabarita.

Also of interest, it seems that this line was isolated from the rest of Sydney's tram system.

Is this right?

Did Enfield depot only serve the one route?
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Re: Old Sydney Tram Remnants

Postby boronia » Thu Jan 05, 2017 8:28 pm

Yes, Enfield was an isolated Ashfield-Burwood-Mortlake/Cabarita operation, although it had a connection to the railway at Ashfield.
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Re: Old Sydney Tram Remnants

Postby lunchbox » Sat Mar 11, 2017 11:31 am

"Off-route" rosettes -
I've spotted a third rosette located "off" the tram / trolley routes. Lyons Road Drummoyne, opposite the intersection with Formosa Street, the other two being Sussex St. and Wigram Rd.
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Re: Old Sydney Tram Remnants

Postby lunchbox » Mon Mar 13, 2017 7:51 pm

While the tower of the Fort Macquarie tram depot is long since gone, this photo might itself be considered a "remnant" of the tram system. Currently appearing as a two-piece panel on the wall of Sydney Museum in Bridge street, hence the vertical gap in the photo.
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Re: Old Sydney Tram Remnants

Postby boronia » Mon Mar 13, 2017 8:11 pm

There seems to be a lot of building hoardings around the city these days with old images containing trams and buses on them
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Re: Old Sydney Tram Remnants

Postby Stu » Thu Mar 23, 2017 11:20 am

Exposed track in the left edge of lane 2 on Botany Rd facing South about 50 metres before Epsom Rd, Alexandria. It looks like a small pot hole that has been filled in the past has re-opened, you can see the rail and original concrete as well roadway. It is so small yet gives away so much of the past.
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Re: Old Sydney Tram Remnants

Postby Frosty » Thu Mar 23, 2017 7:45 pm

Could that explain the uneven nature/ lumps of Botany Rd in the centre of the road between Epsom Rd and Collins St it being due to there still tracks under the road surface. If I remember correctly that section of Botany Rd was repaved only a few years ago I guess they didn't see the track when they repaved a few years.
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Re: Old Sydney Tram Remnants

Postby lunchbox » Mon Apr 17, 2017 11:45 am

Yet another tramway remnant in Sydney.....
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Re: Old Sydney Tram Remnants

Postby boronia » Thu Sep 28, 2017 10:25 pm

Today marks the 60th anniversary of the start of the "mass destruction" of the former Sydney tramway network.
The 'green lines", Clovelly, Rosebery and Railway Colonnade lines, along with Pitt and Castlreagh Sts.

Here is one of the weapons of this mass destruction, Worldmaster 3177.
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Re: Old Sydney Tram Remnants

Postby tonyp » Thu Sep 28, 2017 10:36 pm

boronia wrote:Here is one of the weapons of this mass destruction, Worldmaster 3177.

Well it certainly didn't qualify as a weapon of mass transit!

A mobile patronage-reduction machine.
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Re: Old Sydney Tram Remnants

Postby stajourneyman » Thu Sep 28, 2017 10:50 pm

So, essentially, in those days Railway Square was a Caltex servo ?

If so, :lol: :lol: :lol: .
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Re: Old Sydney Tram Remnants

Postby Swift » Fri Sep 29, 2017 9:51 am

Yet so many enthusiasts have warm feelings toward the smelly noisy oil dripping things. How anyone could have considered them worthy to replace Kogarah trolleys, let alone trams, is beyond time and space!
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