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History of government bus services in the Inner West.

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History of government bus services in the Inner West.

Postby J_Busworth » Thu Mar 08, 2018 8:53 am

Now that we know that Transit Systems will take over the Inner West STA bus services, I'm interested to know just how big a history government buses have in the inner west? Depots, Routes, Fun Facts, I would love to find out.
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Re: History of government bus services in the Inner West.

Postby tonyp » Thu Mar 08, 2018 10:13 am

J_Busworth wrote:How that we know that Transit Systems will take over the Inner West STA bus services, I'm interested to know just how big a history government buses have in the inner west? Depots, Routes, Fun Facts, I would love to find out.

Greg Travers "From City to Suburb" would be one of your best source of information, particularly the route details in the appendices.

Basically, the provision of tram services and train lines in the inner west was so dense that there was little need for bus services to infill between them until the trams were finished in 1957-58. The earliest inner west government bus services were mainly concentrated further west to fill in and extend from tram and train services around Ashfield-Strathfield-Canterbury, with some through-routes to the city via Parramatta Rd.
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Re: History of government bus services in the Inner West.

Postby J_Busworth » Mon May 28, 2018 9:04 pm

tonyp wrote:
J_Busworth wrote:How that we know that Transit Systems will take over the Inner West STA bus services, I'm interested to know just how big a history government buses have in the inner west? Depots, Routes, Fun Facts, I would love to find out.

Greg Travers "From City to Suburb" would be one of your best source of information, particularly the route details in the appendices.

Basically, the provision of tram services and train lines in the inner west was so dense that there was little need for bus services to infill between them until the trams were finished in 1957-58. The earliest inner west government bus services were mainly concentrated further west to fill in and extend from tram and train services around Ashfield-Strathfield-Canterbury, with some through-routes to the city via Parramatta Rd.


Thanks for the suggestion of Greg Travers "From City to Suburb."

Whilst it was hard to track down a copy in good condition, I found one online from New Zealand and it must be one of the best books I've ever seen. There is such detail in the writing and the route histories.
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Re: History of government bus services in the Inner West.

Postby robert » Mon May 28, 2018 10:00 pm

It is hoped to have some sort of history of the area published in Australian Bus magazine later on.

Individual route histories (similar to those for private routes) will also be uploaded to sydneybusroutes.com in due course. Such histories are already there for Inner North routes.
For information about private bus routes in Sydney, look at www.sydneybusroutes.com
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Re: History of government bus services in the Inner West.

Postby boronia » Mon May 28, 2018 10:03 pm

There were a lot of private operators in the inner south and west up to the 1990s. Most have given up their routes to the STA or have been taken over by the current operators.
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Re: History of government bus services in the Inner West.

Postby tonyp » Fri Oct 12, 2018 10:19 am

robert wrote:It is hoped to have some sort of history of the area published in Australian Bus magazine later on.

Robert's history is now available in Australian Bus magazine current issue, Sept/Oct 2018.
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Re: History of government bus services in the Inner West.

Postby tonyp » Sat Oct 13, 2018 8:15 pm

In another article in the current issue of Australian Bus, almost as if to complement Robert's article, an observation is made about the scale of the return to private bus operation and the collapse of the old government operations around Australia. It is noted that Transit Systems is now the largest operator of route buses in Australia, followed in order by Transdev, CDC, State Transit, Brisbane City Council and Keolis Downer. State Transit used to be the largest operator.

The fleet ownership situation is not addressed in this comment and it would be interesting to know how many buses are actually owned by each of these operators, given the situation that large quantities of the fleets are owned by state agencies in WA, SA(?), Victoria(?) and NSW. Does anybody have a rough picture of ownership of fleet units among these large operators. Of course we already know that State Transit now owns nil, as the fleet belongs to TfNSW.
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Re: History of government bus services in the Inner West.

Postby Frosty » Sat Oct 13, 2018 8:29 pm

Very interesting now Transit Systems is the biggest. Transdev is currently the largest operator in Melbourne also the ex Veolia operations. CDC buying out other operators. For some reason I thought Brisbane City Council was bigger than State Transit. Wouldn't route fleets after 2007 in NSW be owned by TfNSW. BCC is interesting does BCC own them or Translink/Queensland Government they have weird funding model where BCC & Queensland government share.
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