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Re: NSW Future Rail Plan - NWRL/Metro/Harbour Crossing

Postby Transtopic » Fri May 19, 2017 8:17 pm

Frosty wrote:What would be interesting once Sydney Metro is built how convenient would be an Out of Station Interchange be between Town Hall and Pitt St station.

I think that they're trying to discourage interchange between the two stations because of the perceived potential congestion at Town Hall. Hence the lack of a direct underground pedestrian connection. I still think that it's a poor option though, when previous proposals had a direct interchange connection. Congestion at Town Hall will actually be reduced because of the metro line.
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Re: NSW Future Rail Plan - NWRL/Metro/Harbour Crossing

Postby mandonov » Fri May 19, 2017 8:49 pm

What would be the point though with Martin Place station and Central Walk? They'd rather reduce the congestion absolutely rather than have people using Town Hall at all.
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Re: NSW Future Rail Plan - NWRL/Metro/Harbour Crossing

Postby moa999 » Fri May 19, 2017 9:13 pm

I thought at least one of the plans suggested there might be a link between the Pitt St Metro and Galleries Victoria, which would provide an underground albeit not paid connection between Pitt St and Martin Place Station

(And probably more links in the future if the CoS Town Hall Square ever gets beyond a drawing)
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Re: NSW Future Rail Plan - NWRL/Metro/Harbour Crossing

Postby Transtopic » Fri May 19, 2017 10:59 pm

mandonov wrote:What would be the point though with Martin Place station and Central Walk? They'd rather reduce the congestion absolutely rather than have people using Town Hall at all.

That may be so, but it's still not a convenient option for commuters by discouraging interchange when the stations are so close.
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Re: NSW Future Rail Plan - NWRL/Metro/Harbour Crossing

Postby Tonymercury » Sat May 20, 2017 6:27 am

Transtopic wrote:That may be so, but it's still not a convenient option for commuters by discouraging interchange when the stations are so close.


And interchange will occur, whether its planned or not.
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Re: NSW Future Rail Plan - NWRL/Metro/Harbour Crossing

Postby grog » Sat May 20, 2017 10:46 am

There isn't any interchange that I can think of that would make sense to do at Town Hall/Pitt Street that isn't more convenient at either Central or Martin Place.
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Re: NSW Future Rail Plan - NWRL/Metro/Harbour Crossing

Postby lunchbox » Sat May 20, 2017 10:49 am

Sydney Metro is currently calling for your ideas on how to best provide the temporary bus services while the Bankstown Line is converted to Metro.
I'm sure somebody will post the appropriate internet link.
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Re: NSW Future Rail Plan - NWRL/Metro/Harbour Crossing

Postby Fleet Lists » Sat May 20, 2017 1:25 pm

I would if I could find it. What page is it on?
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Re: NSW Future Rail Plan - NWRL/Metro/Harbour Crossing

Postby Transtopic » Sat May 20, 2017 7:57 pm

grog wrote:There isn't any interchange that I can think of that would make sense to do at Town Hall/Pitt Street that isn't more convenient at either Central or Martin Place.

Eastern Suburbs to North Sydney or St Leonards perhaps, although admittedly would probably be minimal. Still would make sense though to have underground pedestrian links connecting with retail and public spaces between the two stations.
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Re: NSW Future Rail Plan - NWRL/Metro/Harbour Crossing

Postby simonl » Sun May 21, 2017 4:25 pm

grog wrote:There isn't any interchange that I can think of that would make sense to do at Town Hall/Pitt Street that isn't more convenient at either Central or Martin Place.

There isn't any new interchange although the many of existing interchanges which make sense to do at Town Hall will still make sense to be done there. Most notably Sector 1 to/from the Shore but a sizable portion of those would go over to new harbour crossing.
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Re: NSW Future Rail Plan - NWRL/Metro/Harbour Crossing

Postby grog » Sun May 21, 2017 8:28 pm

Sorry, I meant there are no interchanges that make sense as an out of station interchange between Pitt St and Town Hall, even if there was an underground link.
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Re: NSW Future Rail Plan - NWRL/Metro/Harbour Crossing

Postby Tonymercury » Mon May 22, 2017 5:37 am

Repetition from above -

And interchange will occur, whether it is planned or not.
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Re: NSW Future Rail Plan - NWRL/Metro/Harbour Crossing

Postby grog » Mon May 22, 2017 7:05 am

That may be true, but the numbers will be tiny because it will be way less convenient than another interchange option for every combination of lines.
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Re: NSW Future Rail Plan - NWRL/Metro/Harbour Crossing

Postby swtt » Mon May 22, 2017 7:43 am

Re: Bankstown bustitution -- provide a base service to and from stations north and south of the Bankstown line station to the Inner West and East Hills lines.

E.g. Lidcombe to Bankstown to Padstow.

Burwood to Campsie to Bexley Nth

Then some peak hour expresses to and from further away, e.g. Sydenham or Wolli Creek

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Re: NSW Future Rail Plan - NWRL/Metro/Harbour Crossing

Postby jpp42 » Mon May 22, 2017 2:00 pm

Connection of the stations even via unpaid concourses is a worthy goal as well, as it reduces pedestrians conflicting with vehicle traffic - this has a safety benefit as well as slightly improves vehicle traffic throughput, especially for turns. For example, if the Pitt St station is connected to The Galleries underground, there would then be continuous underground connections to the QVB, Town Hall Square arcade, The Pavillion building (HSBC building), etc. This shouldn't be overlooked even if there is no direct to interchange between the two stations.

Also, with Opal it's easy to say that an unpaid concourse connection allows easy interchange, for those that will happen, like the Eastern Suburbs to Crows Nest or similar.
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Re: NSW Future Rail Plan - NWRL/Metro/Harbour Crossing

Postby simonl » Mon May 22, 2017 4:45 pm

It's interesting how since Opal they aren't providing unpaid area thoroughfares, e.g. at Wynyard. I think I've seen something similar at Central.
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Re: NSW Future Rail Plan - NWRL/Metro/Harbour Crossing

Postby mandonov » Mon May 22, 2017 7:42 pm

Wynyard has an unpaid thoroughfare. It's on the northern side of the expanded paid concourse, between Wynyard Walk and the Met Centre exits.
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Re: NSW Future Rail Plan - NWRL/Metro/Harbour Crossing

Postby rogf24 » Mon May 22, 2017 9:43 pm

jpp42 wrote:Also, with Opal it's easy to say that an unpaid concourse connection allows easy interchange, for those that will happen, like the Eastern Suburbs to Crows Nest or similar.


I don't know about you but I interpreted this comment as one about the connection at Martin Place and that there will be an unpaid concourse to change. There will be a paid connection for people travelling Eastern Suburbs <--> Crows Nest at Martin Place.
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